Isn't this basically
an admission of guilt?
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Tusk knows where you live, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 16:34,
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Unofficial my arse.
It is acknowledging "if I go to court, I'd get convicted"
He will forever be Rapey Andy.
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Tusk knows where you live, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 17:04,
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He's wiping his dry brow in relief
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 17:36,
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Well, yes. But we all knew that anyway.
Unofficial in the sense that you can't call him a child molester or a rapist, because he's never been convicted of said crimes and doing so would be as libellous as claiming that Cliff Richard is a nonce. Not that I'm in any way suggesting that dear old Cliff has a taste for prepubescent flesh. Just that claiming that he does would be equally as libellous and damaging to his character.
I'm sure Virginia simply realised that she imagined the whole thing and that Andy treated her with the utmost respect and dignity at all times.
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No, he has no recollection of whether he did it or not.
Under the circumstances it seems very sensible for him to settle just in case new evidence came to light that suddenly made him remember that he is actually a sex criminal.
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.... and to her
she will get $millions and the charity will get $millions.
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 17 Feb 2022, 8:04,
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Scum.
As a British republican I'm disappointed the trial isn't happening. This could have been the one to end the monarchy.
Better luck next time, I guess.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 17:39,
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A trial would have been fun.
I have never really understood deference to these people.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 17:53,
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Suck it up lads
Your mystifying pipe dream of a grey republic with a Tory president ain't happening.
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Tue 15 Feb 2022, 18:23,
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No presidents or lord protectors, thank you.
We have the foundation of a good system already, it just needs a few tweaks here and there.
Our de-facto head of state, the Speaker of the House of Commons, would become actual head of state, with the Speaker of the (elected) Lords as deputy HoS. Their function would be no different, and they could be elected in the same way as they are now.
It might be nice to give the speaker powers to censure the prime minister if they turn out to be a lying sack of shit. It might also be nice to codify a few laws associated with the office of prime minister to avoid future repeats of the mess we're in now.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 18:55,
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You cannot have a head of state also in charge of parliament.
Why not have a German style republic, where the president is basically some unknown, boring has been politician whose sole responsability is cutting ribbons and signing laws. Or the Swiss model, where cabinet ministers take it in turns to function as head of state.
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Tusk knows where you live, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 19:17,
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How colourful and fascinating!
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Tue 15 Feb 2022, 19:27,
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just to be clear
the options are colourful and institutionally paedophilic, or grey and only occassionally paedophilic.
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Fuck me, did you just read that shit though? Imagine making a billion dollar Netflix series about brb or Tusk's vision of the world. Imagine being excited about it. Imagine fucking living in it! You're the constitutional equivalents of Eric Olthwaite.
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Tue 15 Feb 2022, 20:29,
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It's worth it for the good telly, is one way of looking at it.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 20:37,
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Exciting political systems are not stable. I don't have Netflix, & I'm not sure what you're blithering on about wrt Ripping Yarns.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 22:27,
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Yes, I don't imagine you're ever entirely sure about anything.
Let's have a look - if you can stop eating crayons for a moment - at Wikipedia.
By one metric at least, it's literally impossible to name a more stable head of state:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_state_leaders_by_date_of_assumption_of_office
Never mind, probably a Harvard study will show your infantile theory to be true. Nope, eight of the ten most stable countries in the world have a monarch.
www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/slideshows/10-most-politically-stable-countries-ranked-by-perception
Still, probably the best thing to do is to ignore all that, cross our fucking fingers, and give your clownish Speaker of the House idea a try.
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Wed 16 Feb 2022, 5:23,
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Your forelock will fall off if you keep tugging it that hard.
You know what's guaranteed to win you an argument? 1: attack the arguer, not the argument, 2: link to wikipedia.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 16 Feb 2022, 13:00,
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1. See your post below FeralCatMan's nonsense that nobody read. 2. Your library of hide-bound volumes on constitutional politics seems to be full of freshers week bollocks.
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Wed 16 Feb 2022, 18:50,
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Your social references seem to all come from an early Viz annual. It's most peculiar.
You seem to be in favour of the status quo on the basis that my alternative isn't worth getting exited about. So I guess the status quo is worth getting excited about..? But a small change to remove the aristocracy from government, that's dull.... I do not follow your argument. You could try to make yourself clearer.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 16 Feb 2022, 22:00,
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I can see your point.
Germans are good at efficiency and wars, so the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family seems a good choice.
What I object to is the accumulation of ridiculous unearned wealth and wielding power over swathes of people purely as a product of birth. Lots of the grand buildings were built on the cruel exploitation of people here and abroad.
During the Victorian era the hypocrisy was blatant eg. Chimneys built for children to crawl through, built on the outside so they could be dismantled to retrieve dead kids, without damaging the structure. I'll stop ranting now.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Wed 16 Feb 2022, 13:12,
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Based on this post I'd say your best options are to be found in a list of antipsychotics. :P
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 22:19,
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You can, and, in fact, we do.
The queen's permission is required to start and stop parliamentary sessions. She literally has control over parliament in that way, and a fair few other ways which need to be legislated away post haste.
Our speaker is essentially the head of state, and is who all parliamentary business is directed to, and is the authority who says who can and cannot sit in parliamentary sessions, so is in charge of parliament in that way.
Our defacto HoS is usually a relatively unknown boring politician, and much of their duties are ceremonial and bureaucratic.
A cabinet minister as head of state seems one step away from having an American style president, so no thank you. We can keep keep the role of Speaker mostly as it is.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 22:13,
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This
I wanted him to call the author of Budgie the little Helicopter to defend him
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hoppitygoestotown The temporal displacement occurred exactly, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 18:47,
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As an add on...
Don't assume that the payment was solely made to her charity of choice.
The payment appears to have been to her personally in the first instance and the charity in the second.
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hoppitygoestotown The temporal displacement occurred exactly, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 18:59,
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Congratulations to both of them
Well done on reaching an agreement.
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Jeffrey44 (User was banned for this post), Tue 15 Feb 2022, 19:17,
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Hopefully they can now set their differences aside and get back together, they make such a lovely couple.
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Still cancelled, though.
Oliver Dowden will be furious.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 20:23,
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all this moralising
He was a divorced prince and one of his rich friends at a party says there's a cute 17 year american old who wants to fuck you. Of course you'll say yes, just like every touring rock band ever. you should be proud that as a member of the monarchy he's giving two fingers to the laws of this rebellious colony, and possibly to her as well as he's getting on a bit. and personally I reckon sex slavery is too strong a term for somebody manipulated by promises of money and career support into fucking people, when you compare it to east european prostitutes forcibly hooked on heroin and kept working with threats of extreme violence. It's sleazy, but it's pretty small potatoes compared to what princes were getting up to in the Hellfire Club as late as the 1920s
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 21:28,
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I had the thick-crust margherita
he had the thick upper-crust
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 22:24,
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She was old compared to the indiscretions of 60s 70s DJs.
People just care more now.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 22:43,
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I'm a bit less quick to judgment with 17
once, I was backpacking in Norway, I was about 21, and there was young woman in a cafe drinking coffee who I got to talking with, and went back to her place (later I found it was the house of some university lecturer, a long story) where we ended up screwing. Given that it was in the middle of a week day, and she spent the rest of the week with me, it never occurred to me that she was anything other than an adult and our ages never came up in conversation, which were limited because of language. so when I eventually found out she was 17 it came as a fair a surprise to me. I did break up with her shortly afterwards, which I was thinking about doing anyway but this hurried it up. The age gap is fair bit different with PA, which is quite sleazy, but he might have assumed she was an adult and I haven't seen any pattern of him seeking out underage girls, in fact fergie shows he's not that fussy where he gets his end wet
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 23:04,
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It's more about the tacit acceptance of girls 'provided' to him.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 23:50,
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as happosai said, I wouldnt make a great witness for the defence
but sure it's sleazy, and he should have done more due diligence instead of thinking with his dick, thick privileged twat that he is. but that was Epstein's game, and the fact that he was friends with ex and current presidents in clinton and trump might have made PA think it was all cool and consensual
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 16 Feb 2022, 0:28,
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He's certainly no Ian Watkins.
Nobody comes out of this looking good, in my opinion.
Being a middle-aged bloke and finding a 17 year old girl sexually attractive isn't against the law. Christ, it might not even be against the law to fuck them - assuming they're capable of consent. However, if you're a middle-aged bloke and you do decide to partake in some shaggery with said 17 old, you're a sleazy old pervert, regardless of how legally permissible the act might have been. We all know that Andy allegedly shagged Virginia. So, whether or not she was coerced is completely irrelevant. He's allegedly a dirty old pervert for allegedly shagging a 17 year old. Allegedly.
Virginia Giuffre, on the other hand, has just proven herself to be the alleged whore that some people were allegedly labeling her as from the beginning. Allegedly.
Granted, nobody is making all the right choices at 17. You could 100% make the case that Jeff and Jizz manipulated a vulnerable young girl into shagging older men for money. And you'd be absolutely right. Those two were 100% wronguns. In that respect, she was a victim. But as you quite rightly point out, there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of girls (many far younger than 17) having a far worse time of things, in far less comfort and for far less money than Virginia was. That's not to say she was in a good situation, but it could have been a far worse one.
Anyway, that's not why she's a whore (allegedly). She's a whore, allegedly, because she took a settlement after publicly stating that he had no interest in financial gain from the case and her lawyer stating that “I think it’s very important to Virginia Giuffre that this matter be resolved in a way that vindicates her and vindicates the other victims.”
So, vindication for the other tens of thousands of current sex trafficking victims around the world is, in fact, accepting a massive payout from Andy to keep your mouth shut and move on with your life. I bet that makes all those other victims feel super vindicated.
Well, at least she can claim to be the highest paid prostitute on record. After Melania Trump. Allegedly.
Really, though, at the end of the day, this is no more of a story than that fucking vapid Instagram argument thing between two footballers wives a few links back. This kind of shit is going on every single day, with very real, very vulnerable young people. The fact that so few of us really stop to consider that until it involves some celebrity sleaze is somewhat depressing.
Everyone who hasn't, should look out a documentary called 'Who Took Johnny'. Gives a much starker look into the world of child exploitation than this fucking car crash of a case was ever going to.
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98% of civil cases end in settlement.
Her job was to maximise the settlement on offer by convincing him that she would take him to court. This is why you hire lawyers. Do you understand?
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or her future was quietly and emphatically threatened,
obliging her to take the cash and fuck off
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He's always had a reputation for being Randy Andy
In the early '80s I went to an exhibition of Gerald Scarfe's work, one of the exhibits I took a photo of was this, entitled "Andrew's taste in women". His red-carpet tongue had a further two bikini-clad women on it:
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Varmint, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 22:22,
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Also
NSFW: 80sactual.blogspot.com/2016/03/spitting-image-nick-george-man-who-gave.html
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