60g
of pure chewy, raisiny, chocolatey yumminess.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 26 Jan 2011, 13:52, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

Too small. I need bulk.
Which is why I do Slimming World.
It's nice when you find something that suits.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 13:54, Reply)

To be fair, I never actually feel hungry, so I don't mind
but as you say, find what works for you. I can't tell you how many times I tried WW, but the 'choice' just meant 'free reign to cheat'.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:00, Reply)

"weight loss requires will power shocker!"

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:01, Reply)

^this

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:02, Reply)

I was referring to your free reign to cheat comment
my mrs lost a couple of stone or so on weight watchers really rather quickly.

mind you, I last a couple of stone with no external help whatsoever. and I love food.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:06, Reply)

I follow Slimming World principles and look up the 'syns' on the internet
I've never been to class or bought anything though
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:08, Reply)

how does that one work?
does it follow the sensible principle that if you don't eat loads of shit and exercise regularly then you will lose weight?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:09, Reply)

Nah, you can eat loads of shit, jjust not two types of shit on the same day/meal or something

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:12, Reply)

don't they have carb days and meat days or something?
I never understood that one.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:14, Reply)

Yup.
I don't understand it either, but 5 and a half lb in a fortnight will do nicely for now!
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:17, Reply)

impressive!
At that rate you'll be a size zero by the time dj agrees to a wedding date.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:20, Reply)

i'll be dead!

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:31, Reply)

That's because it's a pile of epic horseshit.
Or rather, it works more or less because you can't be bothered to eat too much of one type of thing on one day to actually put on weight. In terms of health or "science" it's bollocks, there's no basis to it, and like Atkins is almost certainly long term harmful.

But hey, anything to cater for those that want to put their fingers in their ears when people explain that the only way to lose weight healthily is to eat less and exercise more.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:19, Reply)

I'm with you
it's worked for me, and the mrs.

From what I learned of Weight Watchers it also promotes the sensible way of doing it, which is why I didn't give my mrs a shoeing when she joined.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:24, Reply)

WW is fine, it's more about the guiding/support/guilt tripping there
There is something up here called Scottish Slimmers which some of my friends swear by, which is similar. Anything which suggests you should eat certain food groups, or colours, or anything like that, is almost certainly arsewater, but of course they (Atkins, Cambridge, that new French one, etc etc) play on the "oh but look you can eat shit loads and nice things too and it'll be EASY" .. people want something for nothing, and you can't have it with this. Not without serious aftereffects.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:29, Reply)

I think they all work to a point
just by getting people to think about what they eat
(PsychoChomp, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:31, Reply)

that is true
but it is much better, more enjoyable and long-lasting if the behaviour it creates involves eating and exercising healthily rather than a weird combination of foods, or replacing meals with a bar or shake.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:33, Reply)

You don't have to eat a weird combo on Slimming World
It's not much different to WW except you can eat bigger portions. And it works and I'm not unhealthy.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:36, Reply)

good for you :-)

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:44, Reply)

they work in that you lose weight
but dysentery would make you lose weight. What they are is both incredibly unhealthy and mostly unsustainable, because most people that use them are looking for an easy fix for something that requires work and willpower.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:35, Reply)

i'm working like a fucker!
I've laid off the wine and chese, I'm on the exercise bike.
I just can't do that 'points' thing or weigh my portions.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:37, Reply)

I think I've confused what you are actually doing
In my defence, you did say up there you were "separating food groups"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:52, Reply)

I've never done any crazy diets.
Just more exercise and less food. It's the only thing that will work long time.
( girlinthehole, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:33, Reply)

good girl

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:34, Reply)

Thank you Vippers.
Would have been nice to lose it quicker but I just can't do faddy diets.
( girlinthehole, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:40, Reply)

well played, there.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:42, Reply)

I also never ever weigh myself.
I just judge by how my clothes fit.
( girlinthehole, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:47, Reply)

That's how I do it too

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:48, Reply)

I weigh myself on the same day at the same time once a week
and as I mentioned earlier, have not actually lost any significant weight, despite getting noticably thinner...
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:53, Reply)

Muscle weighs more than fat, innit
I have noticed that I'm losing weight, so it's making it feel worthwhile.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:54, Reply)

don't think I've particularly gained much muscle though
I suppose I must have

or it could be all that gold that I've been swallowing for safe keeping...
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:56, Reply)

+ Nazi
Good man, the banks are shit.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:57, Reply)

I make a pleasant jingling sound when I walk too

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:58, Reply)

gain muscle, lose fat, etc

( Lisette von Falcon, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:54, Reply)

Oh believe me my son I can put away the pasta!
And of course I have loads of veg and becuase I'm eating less junk I'm more nourished so i'm maybe not eating as much, but I've gpt a big appetite.
And you also have to make sure that you get fibre and calcium and a healthy amount of whichever one you're not eating.
I also exercise. I haven't bought anything, but it's the one 'diet' I've found that doesn't pour scorn on carbs and also keeps me healthy, while helping curb my bad habits.
In theory, they just say you can eat tons of something, because like you say, they know you can't.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:34, Reply)

Yeah, but you could do all that
without "separating" food groups, just by stopping and thinking about what you are eating. separating food groups, without becoming immensely dull, is a bad idea, because you require certain things from meat to help absorb certain things from vegetables and so on. You're trying to short-term "trick" your body like the early stages of Atkins, essentially, and it ain't good for you.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:39, Reply)

it does tell you to have a proper healthy protein portion every day.
Be it meat or the vegetarian equivalent. I do it the way I do it because I ain't fussed on meat so will happily have Quorn or not.
i wouldn't advise anyone to spend money on it, but the few tips I've picked up have worked for me and several of my family members. It's about removing those tiny but over time, dangerous things that you have too much of without thinking. it honestly is a healthy balanced diet, i just do it in my own fucked up way.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:42, Reply)

wait, I'm confused now
I thought you were talking about separating food groups?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:44, Reply)

You just tailor it so that you get the food you like the most.
I think it developed from that separating/food-combinging thing, but it doesn't make you deny any kind. On a carb day you have as many of those as you like, but have only a healthy measured portion of meat/protein and vice-versa. And yes, it's probably a 'trick' but you can do it long term because you ARE still getting the required amounts of the necessary food groups.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:51, Reply)

I'm lost now
so, you're still weighing things, then?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:57, Reply)

interesting
my mrs wants to lose more weight before the wedding. I keep subtly trying to hint to her that we should eat a load less pasta and things like that, but it's not working. I may to come right out and say it.

Another problem is that we eat with friends a lot, which is generally at least two courses of fucking lovely fattening food.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:15, Reply)

I started Lighterlife in april
and lost three and a bit stone by my wedding in August. Since then I've kept the weight off, apart from the fun time I had over xmas.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:18, Reply)

You can eat sheds of pasta on SW
so long as you have low fat sauce and little or no meat on your pasta pig-out day.
It works and I have no idea why.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:18, Reply)

because your body can't process all that pasta before you shit it out
therefore you don't get all the calories. This, and I can't stress this enough - is not a good thing medically.

Plus, how much pasta can you actually eat without a decent sauce? Not that much before you get bored with it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:21, Reply)

You can have sauce.
I make fantastic sauces and always have done.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:38, Reply)

but not with meat?
or, I assume, tomatoes. or any highly calorific vegetables?

I'm not trying to suggest that it won't work. Just that there is a health-related long term price to pay for these diets.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:41, Reply)

No you can have meat, and you can have as many tomatoes as you like.
It doesn't count calories. Fruit and veg are all good.
my sauces are mostly loads of tomato and passata anyway so it's been no great sacrifice.
So if you're a big carnivore, you'd have more meat, and an 'allowed' amount of pasta (still plenty) and if you're a big carb head like me, you'd have a bit of meat in the sauce, enough to meet the daily requirements.
Don't assume then go on a rant. Tomatoes are allowed so nur.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:45, Reply)

it mostly makes you cook your own food
as bought-in sauces etc are packed with salt and sugar that you can't see. When you make it yourself, it's largely free fo those.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:46, Reply)

I'm not assuming here
I was following up on what you said about "not eating two types of thing in the same meal" thing. Obviously I've misunderstood, but pasta and a tomato and meat sauce is protein, carb, sugar, fibre all in one.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:49, Reply)

I'm saying protein, I mean meat. I told you I don't understand.
And I mean, not big equal amounts rather than NONE in the same meal.
Oh Gordon Bennett, I'm not a rep for Slimming World anyway, but doing their thing has helped me, and improved my skin to boot.
I'm tired now, because I'm malnourished, we'll have to hang up our gloves.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:56, Reply)

it was a little confusing!
things are somewhat clearer though with your latest explanations.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:57, Reply)

I was oversimplifying and being flippant and not understanding the names for things
But I didn't realise I was getting an exam on it!
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 14:59, Reply)

remember where you are ;-)

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 15:00, Reply)

I'm not trying to argue with you, and I've obviously misunderstood the way this works
and fair enough, yours does sound reasonable. I just don't like the way that "nutritionists" get away with peddling harmful shit as diets.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 15:00, Reply)

Yes but some of them
Do help you lose weight
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 26 Jan 2011, 15:11, Reply)