Pretty much all good economies are mixed , infact the free market requires an organised, efficient state, but I think Britain's is too statist.
Rather than 47.1 % of the economy being the state, or whatever it is,It should be more like 20 or 30% as in Switzerland, the US, Japan, South Korea, Chile (Pinochet did make them the richest Latin American nation), Australia,Estonia, Luxembourg and Hong Kong.
Not everyone who wants the NHS gone opposes its principles , universal healthcare, highest standards, value for money its just the details of the system and the structural model they disagree with.
Daniel Hannan MEP has some very reasonable aruments as to why we should switch to the Singaporean System. Nobody here is asking for the US system.
Then again most in the US oppose having an NHS .
Good for them I say, each to their own.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:27, 4 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

I like kittens.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:28, Reply)

^this

( girlinthehole, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:30, Reply)

I like dogs
www.wimp.com/hardway/
www.wimp.com/onepuppy/
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:49, Reply)

really good for them?
do you really think a country can consider itself successful when it's people can't afford to have necessary treatment because medical insurance is so high?

I, for one, would have been pretty fucked a couple of years back if that were the system here
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:30, Reply)

This made me Sad Face today
notalwaysright.com/not-the-breast-of-days/12434
and then
notalwaysright.com/through-joy-and-sorrow-sickness-and-health-insurance/12423

Yeah', it's on a comedy site, but it makes me actually disgusted at the american healthcare system.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:35, Reply)

I think the trouble with the NHS, is that while there is a public purse, there is going to be exploitation.
The people in charge of the purse-strings are on their 30-40kpa jobs, but they're dealing in deals worth millions, so naturally companies bidding for these contracts will woe the person in charge, treat them to expensive meals and all that.

And there is so much wasteage that wouldn't happen in a private company.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:46, Reply)

Becuase it was their choice to vote for politicians that opposed it.
Democracy has given them a choice.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:36, Reply)

choice is only real choice if you
have real information about what you are choosing.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:38, Reply)

Yes, the US is very rich, most deserving people have a good standard of living. That is in itself good.

(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:40, Reply)

Deserving people?
How do you decide which four year olds are most deserving of a decent education?
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:43, Reply)

They all get one anyway.
Theres a difference between state run education and health, and state facilitated. A voucher system seems like a reasonable compromise.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:43, Reply)

They all get a good standard of education?

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:44, Reply)

It's been stated on the internet so it must be true.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:45, Reply)

They are all, the same as in the UK, legally given one.

(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:48, Reply)

Doesn't mean it's a good education, though.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:50, Reply)

So why, if it's any good, does everybody who can afford to, send their kids to private schools at vast expense?

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:52, Reply)

Because Private schools are better.
As I understand it, if all taxes were cut or abolished, and almost everything the state did was privatized, even poor people would be able to afford to buy privately services offered by the state, but with all the upsides of a market provides.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:54, Reply)

Did you get a private education?

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:57, Reply)

Quiet now son, the adults are talking.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:01, Reply)

I'm going to count to three.
If you've not said sorry and written out "I am a teenager who really should shut the fuck up until I've got an education." five times by the time I finish then I'm going to fuck your shit up.

One.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:02, Reply)

Some life experience would help too.
Can you imagine how much more arrogant and deluded he'd be if he was armed with an education and no knowledge of the real world? He'd cause a diplomatic incident every time he opened his mouth.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:04, Reply)

Like Prince Philip, then?

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:10, Reply)

Two.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:06, Reply)

just step away
it's the only answer
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:10, Reply)

Three.
OK Cameron. Time for kiddies to go to bed.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:13, Reply)

Oh man, I can't wait for you to leave your parents' house and try to survive on your own.
It'll be hilarious, you worryingly naive little cretin.
( BraynDedd Natasha Kaplinsky's labia majora, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:29, Reply)

For the bumming?

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:55, Reply)

so poor people all deserve to be poor, right?

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:46, Reply)

And apparently large chunks of the population deserve to be sick.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:47, Reply)

Only the ones that can't afford healthcare.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:49, Reply)

I'm not advocating the US system, I do not oppose the NHS, but there probably is a better way which is neither.
Singapore recon they've found it.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:52, Reply)

Of course Singapore reckon they've found it.
Singapore jail opposition policies, and make it illegal for newspapers to be critical of the government.
No wonder we only hear good news from there.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:55, Reply)

Do you think the concept of the NHS is inherently perfect? Do you think there could ever be a different system to better it?

(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:59, Reply)

I didn't mention the NHS.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:00, Reply)

OK you made a fair point about Singapore.
But apparently even foreigners are able to see how it is the best system.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:06, Reply)

Like fuck they do.
I was involved in researching for a general election cmpaign this year. I read large numbers of research papers from around the world, and not even the right-wingers used Singapore to justify their plans.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:09, Reply)

Well, Daniel Hannan.

(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:10, Reply)

The Milosevic supporter?
Do you base your health policies on proximity to genocide?
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:13, Reply)

Step away from the computer.
You are arguing with a 16 year old on-line.
( girlinthehole, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:14, Reply)

Supporter of war criminals and infamous fillibuster in chief in a democratically-elected parliament?
That Daniel Hannan?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:16, Reply)

I'd like to see how quickly he does a U-turn on this view when life deals him the joker and he winds up being unable to afford employment, housing or food.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:54, Reply)

Give over, there are many cases of people who have done certain things that mean they deserve to be poor.
Not all the time, but yes, I tend to subscribe to the view that capitalism gives you what you deserve.
I'm not against benefits for the triers, the hardworking, the responsible.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:00, Reply)

What if one of your parents dies when you're still in school,
and as a result you and your other parent wind up dirt-poor and in very real danger of being evicted or having your home reposessed? What if you have to go into full-time work at 16 just so you don't starve or wind up on the streets? What about that? Bet you didn't think of any circumstances like that, did you?
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:10, Reply)

Getting an Education counts as "the triers".
I'm not opposed to welfare.
All wealthy nations offer their citizens an enlightened ,reasonable and compassionate welfare system.
I'd just advocate reform, extra efficiency, and cuts to taxation to make sure everyone gets justice and VFM.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:12, Reply)

I'm starting to think you're many years overdue for a good clip round the ear.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:19, Reply)

Twenty five years ago when I was your age
I could have demolished you in a debate without breaking a sweat. Except I wouldn't have done because I was too busy going out, taking drugs and having sex.

Put the internet down and try to remember how to be a teenager. Come back in ten years when you've actually got something original to say.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:30, Reply)

What do you mean by 40-50% state?
What is 40 to 50% state? And if you don't know the figures, how do you know it's not the 20 to 30% you recommend?

EDIT: Ah, I see you've clarified a bit. But again, if you don't know the figures, how can you advocate another set of figures?
(MooCow_Byter, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:33, Reply)

Got the precsie figures from the World Bank.
I'd advocate 20-30% because the nations I mentioned all are richer than the UK.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:38, Reply)

richer=better?

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:39, Reply)

So if the government spends 50% less of its money in the UK,
we'll become richer than Japan?
(MooCow_Byter, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:44, Reply)

Not just public spending cuts will drive the economy once the defecit is gone.
We'd need taxes to be cut in relation to the spending cut.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:50, Reply)

Oh, OK.
So once public spending is in line with that of Tanzania, Sierra Lione and Niger, we'll be able to emulate their success?

I'm not trying to have a go at you, I just want to see how your proposal will necessarily improve standards of living. And in fact, according to www.heritage.org/index/explore?view=by-variables all the countries you mention except Chile and Hong Kong are over 30%. And I suggest Hong Kong might be a bit of a special case.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the figures.
(MooCow_Byter, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:59, Reply)

Tax Burden was what I was looking at, but yeah, GDP spending too.
To be honest I'm not saying Its set in stone but we should at least try to emulate the success of Aus, etc.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:05, Reply)

Wait, you're quoting Pinochet as an example of doing things correctly?
You do realise that Pinochet use state resources to carry out his campaign of mass murder?
Surely, by your logic, such atrocities should be carried out by the private sector.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:36, Reply)

I don't deny his regime was a bunch of Bastards.
Or that they used state resources.
But his privatization and taxation polices were very well pitched in themselves.
(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:42, Reply)

Except that they were so unpopular that the state had to kill lots of people in order to get away with it.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:43, Reply)

I still like kittens.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:45, Reply)

Well anyway all elected Chilean governments since have agreed with him so there must be something in it.

(888777555, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 19:47, Reply)

Could you not actually bring yourself to type "I was wrong" there?
Is "well anyway" as much as you could manage?

Are you really sixteen? Don't most people's balls drop far enough for them to have the courage to admit mistakes when they're about twelve or thirteen? Christ.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 20:35, Reply)