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(, Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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Anyone got any opinions on this?
I rarely agree with the judges on this (M People, anyone?), although this year includes the King Creosote/Jon Hopkins album which I think is a great album (so probably won't win).
I know you are an opinionated lot when it comes to music, so let's have it then.
Alt: What is wrong with music nowadays? Why isn't there a tune you can whistle along to?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:22, 187 replies, latest was 15 years ago)
Rather than talk about music I'm going to ask how many emails people have in their inbox's. My Gmail has 2405 read emails.
What's everyone elses inbox size????
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:26, Reply)
William Hill are giving odds of 16/1 that Cameron will quit by midnight Sunday
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:36, Reply)
Alt- I don't know but I agree with you
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:23, Reply)
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:33, Reply)
1) she'd never pretend to be a Tory, even a feckless one
2) she'd have told me
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:05, Reply)
and you didn't even acknowledge it you little shitbag
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:05, Reply)
Held on Mercury, it would improve it immensely
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:26, Reply)
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:27, Reply)
I don't need a bunch of journalists to tell me who's good.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:32, Reply)
but it is usually a good starting point for an argument about music.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:33, Reply)
It's more useful as a gauge of what they think will sell well.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:36, Reply)
A Mercury Prize nomination will guarantee you better sales, won't it?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:42, Reply)
Call me a cynic etc
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:45, Reply)
I'm enjoying listening to varying genres even more than usual at the minute. Last night I had Sylosis, followed by P!nk, followed by Caravan Palace, then Fleshgod Apocalypse, etc etc.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:36, Reply)
They're shit.
alt: I realise you lot don't listen to country but I really hate the new country. It's not country. It's all "alternative" or "pop" country, even down to changing some songs to be able to play on the mainstream radio stations, or even having them rapping. It's stupid and I hate it.
Plus it's opened the flood gate to a fuck load of ignorant ass frat boys and college girls that get fucked up and act fucking stupid at the concerts and so you can't enjoy it because there's some prick staring you down and making fun of you behind your back.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:38, Reply)
There's been pop-folk bands, arguably. I'm thinking of the Levellers and Mumford and Sons.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:39, Reply)
I do like some of it, but not a lot.
I'm not a hippy you see.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:43, Reply)
by listening to country, you would be a thigh-slappin', hawg-wrasslin' redneck?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:43, Reply)
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:48, Reply)
not that I'm saying you have to like them, but there is quite a difference between The Levellers (at least when I last paid attention to them) and mumford and fucking sons.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:47, Reply)
Unless you think Slayer and Led Zep are in similar Genres, which from a broad enough perspective they are I suppose, but it's pretty fucking broad.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:51, Reply)
I'm just made myself listen to Mumford and fucking sons just to confirm I wasn't mis-remembering and dear god, what ever you might say about the levellers and I'm far from their biggest fan, it's not the same musical genre by a mile, quite aside from how really ballessly aweful that mumford cunt is.
/Monty
OK, I shall shut up now.
probably
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:58, Reply)
and I'm going to pass your comments on directly.
I think they are kind of boring, nothing more. I saw then at the Eden Project supporting the Doves (who were fucking shit). It was worse than expected.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:03, Reply)
you may tell him I think they are (and by inclusion he is) fucking bent, and give him my address and I'll say it to his face.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:07, Reply)
They're both folky and poppy. That's all I meant.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:37, Reply)
But the one thing they have in common is they are both shite
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:49, Reply)
Perhaps backing up Kroney's point, if you had been 15 now instead of when the Levellers were around, then maybe you would be listening to Mumford & Sons instead? *shudders*
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:59, Reply)
well, not seriously, there are bands like Motorhead or New Model Army I would defend to the death as being awesome, Levellers were just something I liked when younger (although not 15) but I still think they had some objectively good and fun points, not dissimilar to Gogol Bordello who I like now.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:05, Reply)
the Levellers have got steadily worse live as the years have gone on. There's a festival local to here that they headline every year, and I've stopped going partly because the levellers stopped being fun to watch.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:08, Reply)
I stopped around about Zeitgeist as they had gotten to soft and poppy for me, but surely they can't be that bad, not RHCP bad?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:14, Reply)
but they just seem to have lost something.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:14, Reply)
if they were sliding *googles* 17 years ago, then I can only imagine where they are now. OK, I will withdraw my support for anything other than *googles again* the 1st 3 Levellers studio albums.
I still maintain that even if they are equally shit (and I do not propose to research this point) now at least they have the excuse of age, unlike that other dross.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:19, Reply)
And that's later than Zeitgeist. Much harder sound.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:22, Reply)
and have generally thought they've been pretty good. They did a slimmed down acoustic gig at the Tan Hill Inn last year as Drunk in Public, and it was an excellent set. 200 people in a converted barn, nice and intimate, then a few pints with them after the show.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:16, Reply)
which was when they were at their best, and the last few times there was a definite and large drop in quality.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:17, Reply)
was a gig at the Carling Academy in Newcastle, but then again the acoustics in that place are chronic. Barrowlands earlier this year was very entertaining.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:20, Reply)
I meant 'around' as in releasing music that is being taken notice of.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:15, Reply)
Mostly Johny Cash. I made the mistake of trying a New Country station a couple of weeks back on some internet radio app on my phone it was well shit. to make it worse from then on when ever I turned on the app it would default to that station and start playing before I could tell it to go somewhere else. I had to uninstall in the end.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:46, Reply)
Genuine curiosity, it's not a genre I've explored much, but some I like and some I hate, maybe knowing the sub-genres better would help me work out which in advance as it were.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:49, Reply)
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:53, Reply)
country and western is the awful twee shite.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:01, Reply)
I was just saying that it doesn't sound like the country western you are talking about is what it's known as here.
I'm talking things like Billy Ray Cyrus
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:10, Reply)
To be fair, I'm sure it all sounds like that to people that don't listen to country. But there's a fuck load of variety to it. But it's unlikely you'll find a cd full of songs you like, but that's with any genre.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:15, Reply)
I often find CDs full of songs I like, in many genres.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:16, Reply)
In fact, I'm fairly certain that the first time I bought a cd where I enjoyed all of the music, was N-Dubz.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:19, Reply)
and have discovered (or been directed towards) a few new bands who I really love.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:20, Reply)
Don't tell anyone but I was pleasantly surprised by rather liking it, and some of the music in it too.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:21, Reply)
Very goofy, but still funny. And some of the "hannah" songs are really good, especially for younger girls, I realise they probably don't listen to the words and try to find a meaning, but they're really good, inspirational even.
I mean, not stupid ones singing about ice cream or whatever.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:25, Reply)
The one time I visited the states, I fell in love with Mr Rogers, his being the old nice thing in the middle of LA/jetlag may have been a factor.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:28, Reply)
I've never heard Hannah Montana, is she good then?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:28, Reply)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3nI52pC7iA
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:32, Reply)
My musical taste is 90% awesome and 10% objectively questionable diversions it to some very odd/shit stuff. My liking of the first 3 Levellers albums however is in the 90%, not the 10.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:32, Reply)
more of a western feel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oouFE51HcqM
more of a southern feel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tthIHXUsPs&feature=relmfu
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:56, Reply)
I quite like this, but it probably doesn't even register as country for you:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEOkwwRzwy8
nice guitar though.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:02, Reply)
Their drummer used to be a regular guest on a podcast I used to listen to.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:12, Reply)
also this is nice:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hLgwpJMnaU&feature=related
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:23, Reply)
It's funny there were using Cooks champagne in that video, it's like $6 a bottle. lol.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:30, Reply)
Ok, so we have never heard of many of the huge mainstream country stars in the US. But yes, we do prefer it to be repackaged as Alt-Country or Americana.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:46, Reply)
but not what I listen to, Tim McGraw, Alan Jackson, George Strait, Reba, etc
I mean, really, like Reba did Kelly Clarksons song, it really makes me vom. Or that Blake Shelton did Home by Michael Buble and completely slaughtered it and all of these people around here are all OMFG I LOVE THIS SONG BY BLAKE SHELTON and I want to punch them all
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:51, Reply)
An American friend of mine showed me some of his videos. Hilarious.
The other names you mention mean nothing.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:55, Reply)
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:58, Reply)
it's mostly shit.
There is a lot of good music around nowadays. It's just not popular because people are idiots.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:59, Reply)
I spend all my spare cash on music all year round. I don't need any encouragement.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:01, Reply)
like Seth Lakeman when he won. Also fits in with the folk discussion further up.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:04, Reply)
But I've mentioned the artist in particular a few too many times on here.
I am in no way his social media consultant. Would be nice if I was though.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 13:59, Reply)
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:00, Reply)
It's like saying red is better than blue.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:06, Reply)
Edit: At least read the reply before editing. Now my reply makes no sense.
And no, it was supposed to read "Bed-shitter," you cranially-challenged cock-mule.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:31, Reply)
on account of crappy keyboard skills. Crow was good enough to go with it.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:41, Reply)
1) I know what it was meant to say, I'm not as dumb as I look
2) I didn't see your edit in time, apologies
3) *adopts Father Jack voice* I'm sooooooooooo, sooooooooooo sorry!
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:37, Reply)
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I have very little time for British music nowadays, with the honourable exceptions of Muse, Hadouken! and VNV Nation, and the last one is a stretch as they're mainly based in Hamburg now.
Alt: I actually happened to catch the top 40 in the car on Sunday and was struck by how much of it sounds exactly the same. Which basically means I'm getting old.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:08, Reply)
this year, I don't know the nominations, although I've got radio 6 on so I'm sure I will soon
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:09, Reply)
Probably heavier than what you usually listen to, but worth a listen!
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:11, Reply)
That said, better than anything else of that nature I've heard for a while. Incidentally I was totally expecting you to back me up on the red/blue argument above.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:27, Reply)
But isn't the top 40 something of an anachronism these days?
Once it was the main source of music for a lot of this country, now not so significant.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:12, Reply)
Even incorporating download sales hasn't made it any more relevant
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:17, Reply)
section of the music-consuming public, but not for very much longer, especially when things like Itunes and amazon can update their lists by the minute
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:18, Reply)
Bets on who posts a strikethrough of "might be right there"?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:25, Reply)
/sweeping generalisation is sweeping and maybe just a little bit motivated by a slightly arsey phonecall from one of them.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:17, Reply)
But it seems that promoters expect the band to do all the promoting these days. Granted, it's only fair the bands share the load and bring their friends, but I'd like to think they didn't always make passive-aggressive remarks like "It's not really worth it unless we've got 20 people through the door, and we would like to work with you again in future..."
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:27, Reply)
and it always has.
The rose-tinted view of the past was the inspiration for the alt q - people have always complained about the lack of whistleability* of current output compared with what they grew up with.
*What? That is a perfectly valid word.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:33, Reply)
and you know whose fault it is? Steps. Or "ABBA v2.0", as they should rightly be known.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:34, Reply)
same as everything.
the festival we played at over the weekend was a case in point. Most of the public loved the boring droning dub/reggae, where every song was exactly the same, or they loved the covers bands, but when a band doing something a bit different or interesting (and I'm not just talking about my band) came on they just stared, or left. You get a few people who are well into it, but most just lap up the same old shit.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:41, Reply)
but have no "I'm in a band" anecdote to back it up with
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:48, Reply)
Most people don't want to hear challenging or new music, they want something safe and familiar. Most older music that is considered great today was not that popular when it was released. Sure, some of it may have charted but that is more down to the fact that there were far fewer records released in 1965 than there are today.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:48, Reply)
Monty will, though. Whether he believes it or not.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:54, Reply)
The stuff he is into is as rare as rocking horse poo on vinyl. The reason he has to pay so much for original vinyl is that they did not press many copies as few people bought them.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:02, Reply)
That wasn't meant to sound like a kid rounding their age up by including fractions of a year
"I'm 8"
"Yeah? Well I'm 8 and a half"
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:14, Reply)
We're almost a year apart then, I'm 6 weeks shy of my 33rd
Not helping the playground pedantry pageant image here
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:16, Reply)
I do blame Steps for basically covering Abba's music and somehow getting away with it, effectively allowing everyone else to do the same. But then you could just blame Oasis, but that's too easy.
Aren't we about the same age?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:47, Reply)
What I meant was you were falling into the trap of thinking there was a golden period for pop music, which has now passed, even trying to pinpoint where it went wrong. In 20 years time maybe people will be nostalgic for the classic era of Steps (or perhaps not).
I don't think Oas*s should be acknowledged at all.
But from what I can see you are more a metal fan than a pop fan. Now if you wanted to have a debate about when metal stopped being good...
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:56, Reply)
Depends how you define "metal" though. I personally was a big fan, at the time, of the likes of KoRn and Limp Bizkit, although I can now see how limited they were. But they're not metal in the strictest sense. Depends how wide you want to cast the net.
Alternatively, the answer is "when Dimebag Darrell was killed"
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:00, Reply)
but I am warming to my theme here.
For me the classic era of metal is of course the Maiden/Metallica/Anthrax/etc years. I certainly would never have counted Korn or Limp Bizkit, and only recently discovered how good the likes of Pantera were.
The correct answer is that it didn't - sure it ebbs and flows like all music genres, but there is still new and interesting stuff being released (off the top of my head the last Sunn o))) album was great)
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:19, Reply)
Gave up on Metallica a long time ago, circa Reload I think, and definitely after the abortion of St Anger. On the other hand I'm a huge Slipknot fan, and Corey Taylor's original band Stone Sour are bloody great - they're pretty much straight-up metal.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:24, Reply)
Turning point for me was the Black Album.
Mind you, I quite enjoyed the last one.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:32, Reply)
I heard one single - once - and concluded after two minutes of it that they'd learned nothing since St Anger. This was probably highly premature of me but my decision was reinforced by the discovery of a track on the album called Unforgiven III. F. F. S.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:37, Reply)
Who had been with them since the Black Album (and Unforgiven#1), but you really haven't missed much.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:43, Reply)
I really doubt I'll appreciate it as much as I would have 20 years ago anyway. I'm more about the bleepy bleepy nowadays. I know, I know.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:45, Reply)
I occasionally flash back to "The Way You Make Me Feel"
gosh I love that song
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:42, Reply)
Or because I've offended you?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:56, Reply)
never.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:59, Reply)
Each to their own
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:01, Reply)
So why feel the need to call me an idiot because I don't?
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:03, Reply)
"This is B3ta. Stop taking it so seriously."
I'd have said the same to anyone in the same circumstance, don't take it personally. Vippers and I call each other idiots all the time and we agree on 90% of music.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 15:10, Reply)
can anyone hit me up with an orange wednesday code?
I'd be most appreciative
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:41, Reply)
with it's stupid foreign network. Can't access bbc live content
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:46, Reply)
Our company routes its internet traffic through the firewall in the US. As a result the Beeb thinks I'm a Yankee.
(, Tue 19 Jul 2011, 14:49, Reply)
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