I don't know how a Physist would help with this obviously psychological question.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:36, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

Time and relativity innit.
How time is relative to one's perception of it.

Clutches at straws.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:38, Reply)

Time is relative to the speed and mass of the observer
not their mood.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:39, Reply)

Pfft!
Open your mind Chompy.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:41, Reply)

my mind is constantly open but sceptical,
that's why I don't believe that leprechauns carry phone signals over the wires of the BT network.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:44, Reply)

But they could....
They could, it would explain a lot.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:45, Reply)

Of course it's not leprechauns.
It's the phone fairies.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:46, Reply)

What, people with iPhones?
*innocent face*
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:49, Reply)

IT WAS FREE OK!!

( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:50, Reply)

and ribbed, how could a girl resist.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:52, Reply)

*waggles eyebrows*

( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:54, Reply)

Why?
The fact that time is relative to the speed and mass of the observer, means the observer's perception is taken into account and therefore why not their entire perception such as their mood?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:44, Reply)

The observer in this example is a point of observation rather than a person.
Speed and mass interact with space time at very high speeds and very high masses. Like the size of suns and the speed of light. The tiny electrical charges firing off in our head do not manipulate space time.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:46, Reply)

Have you seen his prescription?
He probably has enough medicine to form a small black hole in there.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:49, Reply)

Speaking purely philosophically though
There can be no observation without an actual observer, a point of observation is all very well, but there must be a conscious entity to have the perception.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:51, Reply)

And this is why all philosophy departments should have been burned to the ground in February 1970.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:55, Reply)

Spoken like a true materialist.
I happen to think there's room for both in this world, but it won't distress me to find you disagree.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:09, Reply)

You don't "happen to think" at all.
Your thoughts are entirely the result of your brain's material existence. Although in this case that material would probably be better used for fuel or animal feed.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:11, Reply)

This is an opinion
One could equally hold that my brain's material existence is a product of my thoughts.

To put it simply: We know of the world through our perceptions, we have nothing else, these perceptions are a function of the brain, therefore our knowledge of the world comes through our brains. I would be quite surprised it the limitations of our brains did not affect our ability to perceive, and therefore our concepts of reality.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:17, Reply)

simply inanely
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:21, Reply)

Meh.
Give any actual argument of your own, rather than sniping at other peoples with out making a case of your own and I may value your opinion (because of course this is so important to you(this is sarcasm BTW, just to be clear)).

I'm sure there are holes in my beliefs/arguments/whatever and it might be an interesting conversation to have, but if you don't want to have it,I shan't loose any sleep.

Now make some quick and easy comment that implies I'm a moron and fuck off.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:28, Reply)

You replied to a post about Relativity with a half-remembered bit of Berkeley.
Simultaneously obsolete and a non sequitur.

No offence, but I didn't really need to type anything at all for you to look like a moron.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:40, Reply)

The universe exists when we close our eyes.
There's little point talking about philosophy and Einsteinian physics, there is some validity talking about observation in quantum physics but the quantum effects fall away when you're talking about any time changing scales of mass or velocity.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:56, Reply)

Weak argument.
there are several other senses and if you successfully shut them all off you'd have no evidence that the universe continued to exist. You might infer from the fact that it was still there when you reconnected to it that is had always been there, but you could equally infer that the fridge light stays on with the door closed, but I don't believe this to be the case.

I'm not even touching physics Einsteinian or otherwise as I am ill equipped to do so which is why I started my post with "Speaking purely philosophically".
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:01, Reply)

It doesn't warrant even a weak argument to refute such a fatuous dollop of sixth form navel-gazery.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:09, Reply)

Just because you lack the ability, no need to get snippy about it.
It's just a logic game is all, useful exercise.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:13, Reply)

Wow.
You'll be bragging about your amazing Sudoku skills next.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:14, Reply)

I am a Black Belt
3rd Dan Grand Master at Sudoku.

Are you actually a doctor of some kind?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:18, Reply)

It doesn't surprise me.
They're of a kind. Pointless brain fodder for people with nothing constructive to think about. Mental line dancing.

Yes. I'm a doctor of some kind.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:21, Reply)

OK, I guess the Sarcasm wasn't evident in text form, never mind.
Which kind, out of curiosity?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:22, Reply)

Mathematics.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:32, Reply)

Thank you.
This makes a lot of sense.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:33, Reply)

I doubt it, petal.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:41, Reply)

If I have four sisters and I give each sister four lemon and two potatoes, how many peices of fruit will there be in total.
Just testing. Anyone can say they're a mathmatician on the internet.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:34, Reply)

Is a potato a fruit?
I can never remember.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:36, Reply)

shush!
It's a trick question.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:37, Reply)

Don't try tricking him.
He's a doctor, he'll be able to tell.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:37, Reply)

"Anyone can say they're a mathmatician on the internet."
Apart from you, seemingly.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:42, Reply)

And...................another negative comment.
Looks like I'm not the only consistant one.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:44, Reply)

You could call him a troll
and watch him get indignant and link to Wikipedia articles that disagree with whatever his definition is. At least last time that happened he fucked off again for a bit.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:49, Reply)

He went on holiday.
He'll have saved up a whole heap of witty comments for us.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:51, Reply)

Woo, and indeed Yay.
Y'know, I never used to like the HSH threads much, but given the people who seem to have really disliked them, it's almost worth confirming some people's pre-conceptions and trying to revive the tradition.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:53, Reply)

You're right.
I spent the entire festival planning what I'd say if a BGN made a slightly dim reply to a comment about relativity. That's just how I roll.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:56, Reply)

"consistent"

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:54, Reply)

He's like Dr Zeuss.
Looks nice in a hat and talks bollocks.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:21, Reply)

but it doesn't rhyme Blousie
I like it better when it rhymes
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:23, Reply)

The orangutan from Planet of the Apes?

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:30, Reply)

Thats the chap.

( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:32, Reply)

His name was Seuss and he wasn't a doctor and he didn't habitually wear a hat.
You're like the Magic Porridge Pot of Wrong.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:34, Reply)

At least I'm consistant.

( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:35, Reply)

All speeds and all masses.
The effect increases at higher velocities and masses.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:53, Reply)

Kinda sorta not really.
The predicted effects are only measurable at large speeds and masses and even if they could be measured down at the size of Gonzo's Jewfro-wrapped bonce, General Relativity breaks down as a model when things get small.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:59, Reply)

You can just about measure it with atomic clocks on long haul flights
but even then it's ten to the minus 16 seconds or something.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:01, Reply)

Are you saying Gonz has a nose like an airbus?
You terrible anti-semite.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:04, Reply)

are you saying that fat people experience time differently?

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:49, Reply)

They measure time in wheezing breaths and desperate gobfulls of cake.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:50, Reply)

One battenburg two battenburg three battenburg WHEEEEEEZE.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:51, Reply)

Speaking of relativity and perception
I'm coming to the conclusion that you are either a cunt or funny depending on my mood, Schrödinger's arsehole if you will.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:54, Reply)

Splendid.
I'm afraid I haven't a clue who you are but I am quite willing to pretend to care about your opinion if it makes you feel better.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:56, Reply)

Much, thank you.
*happyface*
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:57, Reply)

That's my good deed for the day.
Back to pulling the teeth of live kittens.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:05, Reply)

Well there'd be no point pulling the teeth of dead ones.

( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:16, Reply)

it's not your mood
it's who he is aimed at.

QOTW would be a lot worse if it weren't for the good Doctor.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:57, Reply)

Maybe but offtopic is fine as it is.

( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 14:59, Reply)

Oh come now.
Nobody is dullwitted enough to believe that this place has reached the dizzy heights of "fine".
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:00, Reply)

And yet you still grace us with your presence.
How far the great have fallen.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:01, Reply)

You're welcome.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:06, Reply)

See below.

( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:08, Reply)

Perhaps there are people that dullwitted after all.
Sad times for the internet.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:16, Reply)

Chin up!

( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:17, Reply)

You say that every time someone new you're not trying to fuck posts here.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:02, Reply)

How do you know I'm not trying to fuck the Dr?
I've seen him. I wouldn't throw him out of bed.
( girlinthehole, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:03, Reply)

This might be true
I can't remember who he was aimed at when I when I decided he was a cunt. Actually no one in particular I think so probably not. Anyone I consider a friend on here can look after them selves.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 26 Jul 2011, 15:03, Reply)