I am puzzled about how defensive people get over art
Mathematics is far more beautiful.
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:48, 3 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

Yeah, well you what else is beautiful...YOUR MUM*


* truth be told she's a bit of munter
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:50, Reply)

My mother is younger than a lot of B3tans that frequent OT
So isn't actually as munterish as you might imagine
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:54, Reply)

go on...

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:56, Reply)

Ummm
48, Blonde, slim, goes to those bloody zumba classes and swims a lot. Likes 70's rock music, owns a Yamaha FJ1200 and 2 proper arcade pinball machines, drinks pints and like live music. Got married in Vegas by Elvis to her third husband two years ago, he is a 6'4" massive biker dude.
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:09, Reply)

Would!

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:37, Reply)

It is odd isn't it?
Personally I don't particularly see the beauty in Maths in the same way, or appreciate it as such, but I doubt you will call me a philistine or impugn my ability to judge based on this.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:51, Reply)

I have no formal training in Maths so cannot comment sorry

( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:53, Reply)

It's to do with how the brain is wired I believe.
Some people have maths brains and some do not.
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:57, Reply)

but you wouldn't indulge someone coming up to a huge complicated equation and saying
'This is crap, I don't get it, its rubbish my 5 year old daughter could have done it, its just lines on a page and random numbers'

would you?
( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:57, Reply)

People say this sort of thing about art
and don't feel like idiots.
( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:58, Reply)

There is a point to a mathematic equation though
It has an answer
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:58, Reply)

Lets say the equation reached the wrong answer
and the bloke was bad at maths.

Does that then validate the same opinion? 'This is crap I don't understand it, my daughter etc'

Of course not.
( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:01, Reply)

Then it would be shite

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:02, Reply)

but the person looking at it wouldn't know this.

( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:03, Reply)

I think you are missing the point
The beauty of maths is in the patterns and symmetries, etc.

11,22,33
9,19,27 all adding up to 9, etc.
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:08, Reply)

you meant 18 right?

( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:10, Reply)

Of course I didn't
*looks round nervously*
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:22, Reply)

Here we go.
I don't understand maths, I've never really been taught it beyond GCSE level, in this conversation your opinion carries much more weight.

Why doesn't this apply to art? Where does the idea that once an artist makes a piece of work the public somehow own it, I don't make art for other people, I make it for me and people that might be interested in it.

I suspect mathematicians couldn't give a fig what bloke in the street thinks about their work.
( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:11, Reply)

If that's the case then why are you bothered what other people think?

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:14, Reply)

That's not the case
It's only when art is displayed in a public that it invites comment. When the comments are positive its fine, when they are negative they are unqualified to comment.
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:18, Reply)

If you're going to be an artist you are going to have to get used to people having an opinion on your work.
Whether they are 'experts' or not. It comes with the territory.

There are some artists who are technically very good but paint boring pictures. Which is more important, the knowledge and ability or the message?
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:09, Reply)

This is my puzzle
Why do we tolerate this in art when we wouldn't tolerate it in any other area of human endeavour. It might be that art is just really unimportant, that might be the answer, I don't know. Hence it being one of my puzzles.
( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:59, Reply)

Is the whole point of art that it is not necessary?
Maths solves problems, statues don't
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:00, Reply)

How else would the illiterate masses know who controls them?

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:03, Reply)

Is it pigeons?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:03, Reply)

Mass literacy is relatively recent, coins and statues would convey to the public who their lord master and god was
See the continuation of the Roman equestrian statue throughout history
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:06, Reply)

Art is necessary.
It's one of the things that sets us apart from the animals.
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:03, Reply)

What about that painting elephant?

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:05, Reply)

It isn't necessary though
It is just nice (in some cases), scary, good, bad, pretentious, etc.
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:05, Reply)

Animals make art
Maths sets us apart from the animals!
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:05, Reply)

What about counting horses?

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:09, Reply)

That would be a boring job.

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:10, Reply)

I bet you'd get a lot of sleep though.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:15, Reply)

Counting isn't maths
My Daughter can count but she can't do multiplications
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:11, Reply)

Yes but when you say to the horse "what's 2 X 2"
It taps it's hoof 4 times. I've seem it, it was dead impressive.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:12, Reply)

Trained to do it I bet
Like when that bloke in that film taught his kid to spell really long words but she couldn't spell cat. I bet the horse couldn't spell cat either!
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:26, Reply)

but we are all trained to do Maths
it's not like it's innate.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:29, Reply)

Of course he couldn't.
He's a mathmatician, not Mr Ed.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:29, Reply)

No they don't.
Name me one animal that makes art.
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:11, Reply)

Apes
Oh and Elephants
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:12, Reply)

POIDH

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:13, Reply)

Clever fucker eh?
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:15, Reply)

Pics
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:15, Reply)

Ok then....................show me a pic of an animal that isn't a human that has produced art without being aided by a human.

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:17, Reply)

My dog once did a shit
that looked like The Virgin Mary.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:19, Reply)

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:19, Reply)

A lot of human artists are aided by humans
and apes have been knows to use white clay to paint in the wild
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:23, Reply)

Also along this line
I cannot do art, does this make me not human?

It's not that I doubt the importance of art, I just don't think it's essential to being human.

Same goes for Maths BTW.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:31, Reply)

Can you re-phrase?
I cannot make sense of that sentence.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:24, Reply)

Humans.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:13, Reply)

I've often wondered about the importance of art
of course art is important as it is another way of documenting history. Like music for example.

If we destroyed every artwork would the world end? No but it would be less interesting.
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:05, Reply)

There's an answer to maths, art is more ambiguous

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:00, Reply)

So those people aren't idiots?

( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:03, Reply)

When dealing in the world of the subjective why bother drawing any great conclusions.
Art's a personal experience.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:04, Reply)

Well
If someone wrote 2+2=4 on a piece of paper unless it was done by your 3 year old kid no-one would be impressed the same goes for people who look art and go "but a 5 year old could have done that"

People don't generally go up to beautifully complicated paintings and say they are crap. They go up to the artwork that appears lazy and say it.

Believe me, there really are a lot of people in the maths world saying "That huge complicated equation is crap!"
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 14:02, Reply)

Hardly the same thing.

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:58, Reply)