Oh poo, I didn't realise there was new threads going on, i'll copy'n'paste from before here
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Yo', sorry, I dashed off.
Iron Man is deffo the coolest avenger, totally agree, but one of the whole points of marvel, at least from a geek's point of view, is all the subtext messages and all that. I mean, that's always been the thing with (ok, this is DC, same diff in this case) Superman, is he jesus like? Is it better to be a superman agmonst humans or an average superman agmonst supermen? In the realm of aliens, does god exist? Is the world better off under the rule of verious different systems? ....etc..... I'm not heavily into DC/Marvel/etc, but I thought maybe you were, so that's why I pulled up on the whole Tony Stark being such an extreme over something that I thought (and was wrong about, which is fair 'nuff, my mistake, sorry) you held so closely and dear.

Kindda like this, I'm jewish, I'm not religious, I like bacon, I donno what i believe, have no idea how to define myself. Cultuerly, I'm jewish, but I donno about the religion side of things. I would never say "Oh man, hitler is so fucking cool" even though Robery Carlyl playing him in the film "Hitler: The rise of evil" was extremly powerful and charamastic. I'd watch the film, be entertained by the film, be amazed at the acting by Robert Carlyl, but I would never say "Hitler was the coolest dictator". Which also brings to another point of yours, I thought it was Tony Stark/Iron Man that you loved, rather than Robert Downing Junior.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:48, 5 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

How many posts are you replying to here?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:49, Reply)

I don't know what this relates to.
But it's brilliant anyway.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:50, Reply)

Cultuerly?
Like 'knives and forks'?
( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:51, Reply)

Oh man "Cherry Pie" by Warrant just came on the radio.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:55, Reply)

In my head, we're in the Ballroom together.
In a metally way, not in a foxtrotty way.
( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:56, Reply)

Even if we were foxtrotting it would still be totally metal.
Totally looking forward to our "Not a HAWT date"
(Bazongaloid, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:57, Reply)

I was totally gobsmacked last night when that character that I didn't think would die "A Game of Thrones"
got his head chopped off.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:00, Reply)

Yes!
I was expecting this because Wookiee and Badger gave it away before I'd even started reading the fucking book. Still made me sad though. Ploughing through my Neil Gaiman so I can get on to the second book.
( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:01, Reply)

Which Gaiman are you reading?

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:02, Reply)

^this
I want to know too.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:03, Reply)

American Gods (10th Anniversary Edition) - my first one!

( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:04, Reply)

ooh! My favourite! Maybe. Or maybe it's Neverwhere that's my favourite. I can't decide.
Either way I am jealous you are reading it for the first time.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:06, Reply)

:)

( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:07, Reply)

I think this is arguably the best of his non-graphic stuff.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:07, Reply)

I'm enjoying it.

( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:07, Reply)

Good-O
Nothing more I can say really without risking giving bits away, so instead I shall ask if you've read any of his graphic novels.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:11, Reply)

No...maybe one day.

( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:28, Reply)

On the strength of this thread I am currently stealing his novels RIGHT NOW.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:13, Reply)

Hope you like them
A bit of a mixed bunch, but some really good stuff in there.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:16, Reply)

What are the names of the best, say, 5 of his books.
I'll read them and decide if I want to pursue him after that.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:18, Reply)

I don't think he's writen more than4 or 5 novels anyway.
I'd say either American Gods or Neverwhere are the best, depending if your more interested in London or theology. Them there,s Stardust and Anansi boys and his kids stuff, which is not bad, but kids stuff... WIki pedia Interworld which I haven't read to this list. Oh and there's Good omens which I liked, but it may depend on you pratchet tolerance.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:28, Reply)

I'll give you American Gods when I'm done with it - start with that.

( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:28, Reply)

I think it's better.
I do like Sandman a lot, but I don't get along with some of the art at various points. (I know he's not the artist, but it's impossible to separate the writing from the art in a comic). With his prose it's all down to me to picture it and that works better for me.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:10, Reply)

I am so-so about his prose stuff
I'm very fond of Neverwhere and also american gods, but I felt Stardust was weak and Anansi Boys enjoyable but not earth shattering.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:13, Reply)

I never read Stardust actually, although I enjoyed the movie.
Not as much as I enjoyed Coraline which I adored.

And Anansi Boys is definitely the weakest though. Of the novels at least. I find his short story collections hit and miss.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:26, Reply)

The book is better than the film IMHO
but still not that great, plot wise.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:28, Reply)

It's a very straightforward plot, agreed
but I thought that was kind of the point, it's just an old fashioned 'quest' type plot with a slightly different twist.

The film would have been better without DeNiro going over the top with the cliche queen act though.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:34, Reply)

Yeh, that's SOON! Brilliant!

( thealternativefact, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:00, Reply)

*swings so hard I forgot to lock the door*

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:02, Reply)

Hmmm, coalt-cha.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:02, Reply)

I'm not much of a comics Geek I'm afraid.
Although I like Neil Gaiman's stuff, but that's a bit different.

I think there' also a point about liking one thing in fiction and another in real life and also about even bad characters having redeeming qualities that one may admire even if one doesn't like the totality.

Also good people are very dull, generally.

I think more widely there's very little that I define myself as in that way. I mean I'm an atheist but that does not stop me liking overtly Christian characters/people, or indeed disliking the majority of atheists, it's not very good at groups /autist.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:57, Reply)

The Rise Of Evil was an excellent series
It's between that and Jekyll for my favourite, I'd say.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:57, Reply)

Here, take this
*proffers*

It's my comic geek credentials. I'm handing them in because I haven't understood any of this.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:59, Reply)

The Rise Of Evil was a mini series about Hitler, and his rise through the Nazi party
I'd seriously advise you download it, it was an excellent mini series. As was Jekyll.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:00, Reply)

Or you could go outside.
Which is what I am going to do right now. Be good /offtopic and have a nice weekend...
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:01, Reply)

Ah, I missed the point.
It's a TV series.

I'll just take those credentials back if you don't mind.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:02, Reply)

Not to worry
*proffers*
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Fri 14 Oct 2011, 15:03, Reply)