I wasn't suggesting that state schools are shit, mine was ace, and not all private schools are gonna be good.
But the idea that you can pay for (in theory) better education due to who your parents are doesn't sit right with me.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:07, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

Why not? It's a free economy people should be able to buy waht they want
by this reckoning you disagree with private health care as well
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:10, Reply)

Barry is the original poster boy for state handouts

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:15, Reply)

If you don't hand it out, he'll nick it anyway.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:18, Reply)

He's a loveable cheeky chappie
I see him as Danny Dyer for some reason
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:20, Reply)

It would be fun to see him get punched in the face too.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:20, Reply)

I don't think it's right that you can 'buy' education.
And what I think about health care isn't relevant, you don't have to lump everything in with each other.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:16, Reply)

many of the kids who get it for free don't care about it at all
i remember having a zimbabwean taxi driver who was telling me that he used to hire himself out as muscle for the white kids - in return for walking them home, he got to read their books. it really made me think about little shits like my cousin, who is at a really good state school and talking at the weekend about getting pregnant at 16 to get a flat... when she was 8, she wanted to get good grades and be a teacher. now she's 14, she wants a sprog and a council flat? wtf?!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:26, Reply)

OMG! I can't believe emotionally immature children don't appreciate what they've got!
It's so totally unbelievable! I know when I was 14 I was totally appreciative of absolutely everything that I had!
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:30, Reply)

why don't you tell me how you want me to react
and i'll do it? saves all the pissing around.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:34, Reply)

And where would the fun in that be?

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:36, Reply)

you and i have very different ideas of fun
eg, you like to laugh at my dead mother. whereas i am waiting for your wife to have several painful bloody miscarriages and nearly die in labour before running off with the hot, high-earning doctor - leaving you to bring up a mong-child that looks nothing like you to rub salt into the final aching wounds - before i mock you.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:40, Reply)

Actually they sound pretty similar ideas
Perhaps you two should get together over a drink to discuss it further?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:44, Reply)

only if i get to wear my ipod throughout
i hear he has a laugh like a donkey fucking a seal
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:46, Reply)

Interesing isn't it
she's wishing severe physical and emotional trauma on a woman she's never met, just because I disagree with her opinions on how a "good" society should operate.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:49, Reply)

haha no it isn't
it's because i think she married a cunt!

also the wishes part of it are not genuine. well, maybe the running off with a hot rich doctor. that part i do wish for her.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:51, Reply)

Again, I wish it weren't needed as I believe that we should all be able to access a good health care system for free.
But that isn't going to stop me obtaining private health insurance as the system we currently have just isn't good enough.

Of course there is an argument that says that if you can afford private health care and education then you should do and keep funding a state system for those that can't afford it.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:17, Reply)

That is what I believe.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:29, Reply)

Trouble with this is, you get people like Swipe who start saying
"why should I be contributing to this state system when it doesn't benefit me, if they want health care they should pay for it like I do" and then you get a run down system that doesn't work properly and ultimately your society ends up suffering.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:39, Reply)

if you're going to quote me, do it properly.
i have never ever said i should not contribute to it. all i ever said was, fuck me, if i have to pay a fortune in tax, can't they spend it properly please. i have never begrudged paying money for education, but i have a brother who is deputy head of a state school, and my mother was head of a state infant school, and my cousin teaches in a state school... and ALL of them have/had the most horrendous stories about how the money gets wasted and doesn't go on the right bits!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:42, Reply)

You don't believe in free education post-18 though

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:46, Reply)

again, not an accurate quote
i said, and have always said, it should be merit-based. if you get good grades, you get it free. which can be weighted towards state schools to make it fair. i would also make it harder to get funding for some courses than others, eg medicine and teaching degrees should have lower threshholds, surfing studies should have a 10 A threshhold!

what i then said was, the students rioting because they EXPECT it for free regardless of the merits of their achievements or proposed courses etc is not something i can get on board with.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:48, Reply)

Fair enough, you did say that.
I don't think you are accurately portraying the students who were rioting demonstrating though. Forgive me if I missed it, but I didn't hear any of them quoted as EXPECTING free education regardless of the merits of their achievements or proposed courses. I think they just wanted everybody to be able to have a fair crack at it.
Let's not start that discussion up again though, eh?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:56, Reply)

i have a meeting now
so yes, let's not! x
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 13:00, Reply)

gerra room

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 13:15, Reply)