That thread's been going on for two hours now.
Time for a BBC newslink.

There's been some discussion on the radio this morning about this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16535191

I general I think I agree with the principle, but is there a difference between a teacher not being competent, and a teacher being unable to do their job properly because of the badly behaved, disruptive little shits they have to try and teach in the first place?

I'm not giving you an alt as no doubt you'll find some other way to amuse yourselves anyway you undisciplined spastics.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:06, 80 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

I'm asuming this is about teachers being able to be sacked after a term rather than a year right?
Thing is, it's always been virtually impossible to sack a teacher, even after a year. That's why you have so many people getting promoted sideways but still hanging around being a drain on teh payroll, so I can't see this changing anything significantly unless they are completely changing employment law and also surgically fitting a massive pair of new balls to every headteacher. It just won't happen.

What was that? More empty posturing from the Tories? Well, I've never heard such terrible nonsense in my life, they would never do a thing like that.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:09, Reply)

Yep, it is.
There's a bloke who works as a higher level teaching assistant in the school the missus is employed at. He trained as a teacher but didn't qualify, and he's utterly hopeless. So much so that he doesn't even do HLTA stuff; he's effectively paid £20k a year to wander around the school straightening up wall displays and commit acts of environmental vandalism on the school grounds, such as hacking down rhododendrum bushes when there are birds nesting in them. Everyone knows he's useless, but no-one in authority seems prepared to sack him and use the money to employ another couple of teaching assistants instead (they're understaffed in this department.)
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:15, Reply)

In which case
It's always been virtually impossible to sack a teacher, even after a year. That's why you have so many people getting promoted sideways but still hanging around being a drain on teh payroll, so I can't see this changing anything significantly unless they are completely changing employment law and also surgically fitting a massive pair of new balls to every headteacher. It just won't happen.

What was that? More empty posturing from the Tories? Well, I've never heard such terrible nonsense in my life, they would never do a thing like that.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:16, Reply)

Haha.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:20, Reply)

It should be an improvement in performance management, but it won't be.
I have no problem with the worst performing 5% being managed out each year based on their appraisal results (including exam results achieved), as similar performance management processes are used by a lot of companies (including at least three of my former employers) to good effect.

This is just a load of government bollocks to try and generate a perception that they are determined to increase the quality of education. The employment contract that most teachers are on won't allow for a "unilateral change of contract" to add performance management without strikes taking place.

The whole idea will have died on it's arse in 2 months time.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:17, Reply)

See also
Academies. They are not now officially teachers
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:19, Reply)

Academies aren't teachers?

(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:20, Reply)

Mrs Cow's school has just changed to an academy
i.e. They are now in essence a private company and thus not subject to the "teacher" rules

In answer to your question though. No
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:21, Reply)

But did they sign new contracts of employment when the school changed to an Academy?

(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:25, Reply)

They should do, the missus' school has just switched to academy status.
Of course, they haven't been given new contracts as yet, although they do have their P45s.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:28, Reply)

Unlikely due to TUPE legislation
EDIT: May only apply to private companies: www.out-law.com/page-448
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:28, Reply)

They have new terms of employment, yes

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:28, Reply)

Interesting, I didn't realise that.
So who is their employer?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:31, Reply)

The council still in her case

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:32, Reply)

Any new staff
Will be taken on under different (less favourable) t&c creating a two tier system. This new legislation, however will allow the owners of academies to get rid of the more expensive staff more easily.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:46, Reply)

Good idea, wont work though.
Some estimates say there's over 10,000 incompitant teachers around, I don't think that we'll magically get another 10,000 trained compitant teachers as soon as this comes in so the heads will think "well a shit teacher is better than no teacher"
(PsychoChomp, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:20, Reply)

How do you define incompetent though?
I know a bloke who was regarded as an excellent English teacher, but got so ground down by being consistently given the lowest sets to teach that he eventually jacked it in as he felt that he wasn't achieving what he could because the classes just weren't interested in learning anything. He was basically a highly paid babysitter.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:27, Reply)

Sounds like only little timmys mum thought he was a good teacher there

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:30, Reply)

Nope, he was highly respected in the school.
They figured his experience would rub off on the scrotes, and while some did benefit and get halfway decent results, too many of the kids were just not interested.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:33, Reply)

Most kids these days expect the schools to do their work for them
Sadly, many actually do to keep up GCSE pass rates
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:34, Reply)

Teachers aren't not allowed to do anything for rowdy kids
They do however unofficially threaten them and scare the shite out of them "apparently"
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:22, Reply)

THREADJACK!
Incompetence in the workplace!
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:33, Reply)

I had someone yesterday point out the fact that something had worked before by sending me a totally unrelated log file as proof
The fucking tit
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:35, Reply)

Davros doesn't have a job, so he's allowed to be incompetant if he wants to be.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:35, Reply)

I'm also allowed to spell incompetent correctly.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:36, Reply)

Your competence in this matter is appreciated

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:38, Reply)

This is true
I was hoping more for some examples though
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:37, Reply)

I went to McDonalds the other week
and instead of a Big Mac they gave me a quarter pounder. I blame Quentin.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:39, Reply)

Mrs Cow was recently given a peshwari naan instead of a paneer naan
*shakes head*
*eats 2nd naan*
*profit*
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:39, Reply)

why are they picken on the poor teachers and not the rich ones?

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:36, Reply)

Because it's the Tories and the Tories hate the poor.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:37, Reply)

Why don't head teachers fight the wars?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:40, Reply)

Too busy shafting their secretaries?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:41, Reply)

Or ex-pupils in my old headmaster's case

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:41, Reply)

I don't know, Monty.

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:42, Reply)

hahaha!
Rich and teacher does not go in the same sentence
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:37, Reply)

They seem to do more than ok for what's a part time job
Heads and assistants get paid more than the PRIME MINISTER!!111!!! srs
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:44, Reply)

You should be a gag writer for David Walliams.
Actually, maybe you already are...
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:38, Reply)

I wasn't aware that anyone was

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:39, Reply)

a gag writer for David Walliams. hanging dead from a rafter somewhere.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:39, Reply)

whoa man, problem?

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:43, Reply)

he means it as well.
he wants you DED
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:44, Reply)

of fuck, i'm gonna get me some police protection, yo

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:53, Reply)

You're mates with all the pigs in the Met innit

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:53, Reply)

Bernard Hogan-Howe is my mum

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:59, Reply)

I like him
He used to be our bizzy, til he went there
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:59, Reply)

I like David Walliams.
I don't like when people say I look like him though. Although saying that it's a lot better than other comparisons.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:45, Reply)

You look fuck all like him!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:46, Reply)

I know.
All my mum's friends won't leave it alone though.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:47, Reply)

If you were fat you would look like the president of Turkmenistan

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:47, Reply)

*Googles*
Fuck off.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:48, Reply)

Truth hurts!
ninj
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:51, Reply)

I am far more handsome than that arsehole.
Consider yourself removed from the magic poo mailing list.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:53, Reply)

Yeah but if you were fat and Turkmen...
DOn't take me off the list!
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:54, Reply)

I ain't had one in yonks anyway.
Saying that I don't text anyone any more either. I don't want to get a reply from someone and be disappointed when it isn't the elusive lady friend.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:56, Reply)

Oh man that's a bad stage to be at

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:58, Reply)

It is ain't it.
I really like someone who's more elusive than Lord fucking Lucan.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 15:09, Reply)

More tory bullshit
Designed to further undermine public confidence in public sector workers in order that they can continue their long-standing agenda of dismantling and privatising as much as they can.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:41, Reply)

Right on Comrade!
*raises fist in solidarity*

*scuttles off back to work*
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 15:00, Reply)

poor teachers are fucked.
Rich parents are going to be fine after all though, so it's ok.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:43, Reply)

SHOCK NEWS.
THE 'BETHNAL GREEN ONE' HAS BEEN FREED!!!!!

Incredibly, my ex has found our daughter's birth certificate that I 'stole' so the hunt has been called off. Amazing.

I for one am amazed that I wasn't guilty.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:45, Reply)

Your dabs were all over it though

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:46, Reply)

My name isn't even all over it.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:51, Reply)

Woah there

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:52, Reply)

Bloody 'ell!

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:46, Reply)

Why would you steal her birth certificate?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:46, Reply)

He ran out of rizzla,
I made this point yesterday.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:48, Reply)

I asked this question.
The reply was 'STOP TEXTING ME'
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:52, Reply)

Hahahahahahaaaa
Cornholiololz
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:52, Reply)

I dunno...
No smoke without fire.

*hides documents*
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:49, Reply)

Has she apologised?

(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:52, Reply)

You are being really slow lately

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:54, Reply)

...

...





...





....







What?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:56, Reply)

She doesn't say sorry, apart from sorry she ever let Monty impregnate her

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:59, Reply)

I'd be sorry if Monty ever impregnated me.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 15:02, Reply)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Can't you read? I'm no longer being accused of theft!!!! I should be grateful!! Why would I need an apology?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 14:58, Reply)

I dunno, I was just asking.
If it was me I'd kind of like an apology, but if you're cool with that the way it is then that's fine. It's your life.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 15:00, Reply)

^^^ Clearly a man with no ex-wife.

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Fri 13 Jan 2012, 15:23, Reply)

That's it I'm fucking off!
Have a good weekend everyone
(PsychoChomp, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 15:09, Reply)

Hey Chompy!
I hope she doesn't have an STI.

And I hope you don't get nervous half way through and find you can't finish.

And I hope she doesn't get pregnant.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 13 Jan 2012, 15:12, Reply)