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"Benefits are going up more than wages so we'll cut benefits"
or, you know, you could increase wages.
Also found this:
www.nytimes.com/2013/01/08/arts/music/sony-issues-bob-dylan-recordings-to-keep-european-copyright.html?hp&pagewanted=all&_r=0Just to restart the debate on copyright again.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:44,
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latest was 12 years ago)
My wages go up every year
what's the problem?
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:45,
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It's pretty hard to force the private sector to increase wages, though.
the solution, as always, is a selective tax increase, but apparently that's an entirely invisible solution to this government.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:46,
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they should raise taxes on everyone apart from me
I'm the squeezed middle innit.
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:47,
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You can apparently afford £12K a year to send your kid to private school
so I'm afraid that's not the "squeezed middle" old boy.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:49,
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mater and pater will help with that
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:49,
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which would be different from claiming benefits how?
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:52,
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People who claim benefits are thick or lazy or didn't work at school
They failed in life by not being born into the Ape family.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:54,
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Now you've got it!
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:00,
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It doesn't cost you lot anything does it?
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:00,
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depends how they got their money.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:02,
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Dad ran his own business for 40 years
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:03,
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probably a hideous tax evader then.
so, yes, it has cost us something.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:07,
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he really wouldn't have been, he's the most cautious and law abiding person I've ever met
drove my mum mad
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:27,
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actually where is the "middle"
what are the household income brackets that define these fuzzy terms?
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:52,
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He's not responded because he's realised he's not a middle income person.
Either that or he can't work out the form.
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:58,
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I had to work out my household income after tax, AKSHULLY
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:58,
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So where is the middle sector? 33% - 66%?
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:59,
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I assume so, it'll tell you on the top right if you're high middle or low?
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:02,
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I am comfortable @ 77% if a little warm
I'm aiming for 97% I reckon, but the wife earns fuck all, so she's no help at all
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:06,
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:( 61%
I wish they'd hurry up and make me redundant.
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:07,
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yeah but it's pretty stupid as living costs vary across the country
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:10,
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Yeah you're really having a hard time of it compared to me, I'm sorry.
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:13,
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I'm just saying that the only fair way to look at it would be to include local housing and transport costs etc
before making the comparison
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:14,
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You're all about the fairness, aren't you?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:17,
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Unless it impacts negatively on him
in which case it can fuck off.
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Bazongaloid, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:18,
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quite, survival of the fittest innit
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:23,
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hes all about trying to justify the chip on his shoulder.
We should include private school costs as well
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:18,
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I can't believe he's sending his daughter to a private school
Does he want her to grow up a total cunt?
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Bazongaloid, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:20,
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Hi Al!
I was privately educated and I'm perfectly lovely
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:22,
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No, sorry ape, I'm afraid you've rather just rpoved my point.
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Bazongaloid, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:27,
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Leave my kids fucking out of it! What have they done? You fucking retract that bit about my cunt fucking kids!
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:30,
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Stop flailing around there Ape, you'll bruges yourself.
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Bazongaloid, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:34,
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i hate all this bollocks about "fairness"
life ain't fair, get over it. If you live in Britain you are a fuck of a lot better off than most of the world, so stop moaning.
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:20,
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You were the one who brought it up.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:23,
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I only meant in relation to how that calculator worked
it is a blunt instrument, that's all.
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:25,
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*cough* 90% *cough*
I'm not sure I filled it out right.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:13,
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You probably did
but you've just not appreciated that although the average wage is something shit like 22K, or possibly worse, that "average" is massively skewed upwards by a few people earning millions.
The median wage would be much lower, which is pretty depressing.
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Bazongaloid, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:19,
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I think the average is around £27-28K
But, as you say, this is a bollocks figure skewed upwards (by Stunned).
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:22,
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£26500 at last count.
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:25,
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that was less than my graduate starting salary
how shit are these people that they are worse thana grad with no experience?
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:26,
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You're just the best
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:30,
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nah, loads of people earn more than me
I'm just saying some people are shit, let them be shit, don't pay them extra for being shit
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:32,
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It's not about paying people extra for being shit.
It's about people having enough money to live on.
Y'know for food and a roof over their heads, that sort of thing.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:39,
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So you would suggest there should be massive investment in education?
Perhaps try to increase the numbers attending university?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:34,
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nah, some people are shit to the core
no point throwing good money after bad is there
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:38,
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I was about to link you back to the "Let them die" post up there, but I see you have already acknowledged this.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:40,
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The only easy mistake to make is you need to put it as after tax.
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:25,
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Oh my
97% of people have less money than me.
I almost feel bad about that.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:00,
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So you have a household income of about £80k?
What's does your missus do?
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:02,
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She's a fairly senior civil servant
I'm a fairly senior academic.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:03,
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you have £100k household income after tax each year?
edit: with child
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:02,
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nope, not that high, up there the boundaries are quite wide.
it goes tits up once the child arrives, plus we'll lose about a third of my wifes income when she goes back part time, so i'll be down at 94% before you know it.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:04,
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Waaaahhhhhh
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:05,
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First world problems, chompy.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:05,
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Scotland? 1st world? really?
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:06,
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1st and a half.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:07,
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*middle class guilt fives*
You are comfortable: compared to the rest of society, you are better off and income have risen higher than those in the middle.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:03,
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Mine says
You are in the squeezed middle: income levels have not risen significantly and you're feeling the pinch
:((
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:04,
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77%
but I feel rich
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Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:19,
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99% of people have a lower income than me.
Cahnts!!
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Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:03,
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98%
you smug bastard
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:38,
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97% i mean
stupid keyboard
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:40,
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I hope you earn £50k and are planning more kids.
If you get 3, every £1 you earn between 50-60k will be effectivley taxed at 68%
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:50,
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:(((((((((((((((((((((((
*phones jimmy Carr*
"uh huh, yeah...like the where the cows come from? sounds good, count me in!"
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:51,
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Isn't it possible that keeping benefits low will keep wages low?
It's going to be pretty hard to attract staff to a job if you're paying less than benefits.
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:48,
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unless your a forrin who doesn't qualify for benefits anyway
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:50,
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supply, demand and profit dicate wages
I suppose it might have a tiny effect on minimum wage positions.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:50,
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My musings are that lower benifits increase worker supply without changing the others, driving wage costs down.
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PsychoChomp, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 14:56,
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This might be true, if a little simplistic
I'm not sure it'll work the other way around though?
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 8 Jan 2013, 15:02,
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