so the horse scandal is galloping on apace this morning
who do YOU blame and why? bonus points for conspiracy theories.

altalt: best joke you've heard lately, horsemeat or otherwise?

altalt: lunch??
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:51, 138 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

My doctor told me I should watch what i eat
So i got tickets to the Grand National
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:52, Reply)

I do not care about the horsemeat, those foods affected are so full of shit the horse was probably the best bit
When they start finding whoresmeat, then we'll know Battered's trip to Poland was sucessful
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:53, Reply)

mwa ha ha
i heard that some of it might even be donkey.

niiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

dumbest comment of the year goes to one that was on "the sun", i think (surprise surprise), something along the lines of "the sooner a meteor hits and destroys us the better, we humans are the ones who shouldn't be here." what the actual fuck?!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:55, Reply)

That was the salami scandal from a few ears ago

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:56, Reply)

lol, beastie Boys "Funky Donkey" has just come on

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:00, Reply)

why does it matter?
horse, cow, donkey, sheep, goat - it's all just meat off a random herbivore, where's the issue?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:01, Reply)

quite

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:02, Reply)

2 issues, darling light of my life
1 some people might have a moral issue with eating horse, which is up to them

2 the labelling is completely wrong. and all because some thieving cunt thinks he can get 4 euros a kg if he puts "beef" and 90c a kg if he admits "bit of horse, pigeon and donkey"
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:03, Reply)

what's the moral issue?
Pigs are more intellengent than horses and we eat them without issue
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:05, Reply)

well i have a moral issue with eating any animal
so don't ask me!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:05, Reply)

Oh, I know
I was talking about you going "donkey .... niiiiiiice"

Labelling is the issue. Nowt wrong with eating donkey in general.

And anyone who has a moral issue eating horse but will eat cow or pig needs to be taken outside, quick shot to the back of the head and buried in an unmarked grave, the fucking pathetic hypocrites.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:05, Reply)

hmmmmmm
i'm not sure you can do that. if people want to draw their own line as to what is acceptable, surely that's up to them? eg they are happy to eat cow but not pig, or happy to eat mutton but not lamb... freedom of choice, innit.

i'm not saying it's not a stupid choice, but it's one they should be able to make, sweetness.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:10, Reply)

You can choose what to eat.
You can't bleat it's a moral objection though. Because it bloody isn't. Selectively refusing to eat things you think are cute is being pathetic, not taking a moral stance.

The only moral stance is your one, which is to refuse to eat all animals on moral grounds. Even if it is daft.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:13, Reply)

where is enzyme when we need him?
i thought a moral was a guideline or belief and therefore people can have their own set according to them. if that moral means that they can't eat a baby animal but they can eat it once it's over 2 years old, for example, then fine for them.

it doesn't mean they aren't idiotic. but it's their own belief.

all meat sucks and tastes disgusting. this is the only moral anyone needs.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:15, Reply)

You can't abitrarily set your own rules about what is moralistic.
It's defined by human behaviour and beliefs, not the actions of an individual. And, yes, your age one is fine (if odd) because it's making a distinction that could be seen as morally valuable (allowing baby animals more time to live). There's no morality in distinguishing between two species simply on the basis you think one is cuter. It'd be a bit like saying it's OK to exploit Chinese people but not anyone else.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:18, Reply)

i don't know the answer, i am just speculating
but if it's something you believe in intensely and you live by it, why can that not be a "moral", if a "moral" is a belief? does it have to apply to a wider group than an individual? that seems Wrong, as just because other people are as dumb as you are doesn't make it moralistic. it just means more of you are Wrong.

or right on better examples than eating one animal but not another, like not fingering babies or something.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:24, Reply)

Just because you believe in something intensley doesn't make it "moral" or "right"
otherwise being gay would be immoral, as would being black.
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:25, Reply)

we definitely need enzyme

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:27, Reply)

no we don't.
Just think about what you're saying. You can't "choose" a set of morals. They are property of our species, pretty much, not individuals.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:29, Reply)

There is no situation when that statement is ever true.
Except for when his brother is selling Olympics tickets.
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:29, Reply)

i liked him when i met him
albeit i forcefed him neon orange aftershock. i don't think he's ever been quite the same.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:34, Reply)

He did look a bit strange at the Olympics.

( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:35, Reply)

"not eating animals"
is a moral stance

"not eating some animals purely because you think they are cute"

is hypocritical.

Forgetting law, morality would stay that rape is wrong. Morality doesn't say rape is wrong, unless they are ugly, at which point it's OK. Does it?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:27, Reply)

No, it's okay to rape uggos because they would never get any otherwise

( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:29, Reply)

well, of course

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:29, Reply)

where i am confused is: who defines what is a moral?
can you define that for yourself?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:33, Reply)

I think you're missing the point, sweetie. The problem with the not eating horse example
is not whether eating animals per se is moral or immoral. It's that it's selective, which would be moral hypocrisy.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:15, Reply)

no, practicality says it's wrong to rape an uggo
because you wouldn't be able to get it up
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:35, Reply)

That's why god invented pencils and sellotape.

( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:36, Reply)

But I thought it was okay to exploit chinese people?
How else do we get cheap electronics?
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:25, Reply)

I know, that was a shit example.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:28, Reply)

1 People don't understand how "morals" work if they think they can justifiably object to eating one animal over another.

2 It's not "some thieving cunt" I will lay money this was known about by the companies involved. This is simply what happens when you race to the bottom in terms of price.
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:07, Reply)

it's a lot of thieving cunts
some of them will be politicians
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:09, Reply)

I could raise a moral case that eating you is bad and eating dobbin is OK
but I assume you meant 'animals other than humans'

I reckon there's an argument that eating endangered animals is immoral or at least not clever. I think you could also make a moral argument that eating animals over a certain level of intelligence is iffy.

I do, however agree that the difference between cows and horses is only that people see horses as pets, see also dogs. this has no moral validity.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:10, Reply)

Meh, dogs aren't herbivores.
You could draw a taste and health distinction on that level, I suppose, but not a moral one.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:13, Reply)

I was only talking about morals.
I'm sure a dog could live on veg, any ideas what they feed them in korea? the ones that are bred for food?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:17, Reply)

Dogs can't really live as vegetarians
hence the fucktard vegans who keep them as pets on a veggie diet end up messing up their health.

But I'm guessing for food it's a low meat diet for better flavour, but they would be farming young dogs for meat so I don't suppose long term health is their concern.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:20, Reply)

this was my thought, they'd be fed whatever tastes best
it's not like any other farmed meet animal is fed anything like their 'natural' diet anyway, unless their health is necessary to their purpose.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:25, Reply)

I imagine Al would be a bit gristly.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:14, Reply)

I'd be good in a slow cooker.

( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:14, Reply)

I like my steaks rare
which i why Panda is my favourite meat
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:19, Reply)

I like that bear face ham you get in the supermarket because it's made of real bears.

( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:20, Reply)

Nah' man I disagree.
It's like me selling you a high end PC and filling it with low end components, then fucking around with the reporting systems in the operating system.... and you only finding out when you're running benchmark software on it.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:15, Reply)

this is the second point, description of goods.
the moral point would be "I ordered a Toshiba annd got a compaq, this is immoral"
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:18, Reply)

Kindda...
It's more like you've ordered a 3.2ghz quad core processor, and they've given you a 2.6ghz duel core, and the operating system is reported as a 3.2ghz.... and you only use 2ghz anyway so don't really notice the difference. BUT, then, one day you run a benchmark on it, and it's reported at a 2.6ghz duel.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:24, Reply)

But you running a 2.6Ghz processor isn't immoral, you've just been ripped off.

( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:27, Reply)

See my reply lower, I got the wrong end of the stick from your objection to their objection.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:44, Reply)

but that's my point gonz
a horse is not a slower processor, it's just a different brand, it's an intel, not an AMD. there is a legitimate argument about mislabelling the product, that aregument could even be said to be a moral argument.

however "it's immoral to eat horsies" is just bollocks.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:27, Reply)

The situation as it stands is similar to that scenario, yes.
But what I'm saying is that you can say it's okay to be annoyed that you bought a low end system when it was labelled as a high end system, but you can't be annoyed because you feel that using low end components is somehow morally objectionable compared with high end components. They are all components at the end of the day.
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:20, Reply)

You can take your point further by saying "You didn't even notice that it was a low end component until someone told you"....
... but I disagree, you've bought it under false pretences.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:26, Reply)

You're right, I'm not defending the use of horse meat
what I'm saying is that you can be annoyed that you bought horse meat thinking it was beef, but I don't think you can be upset that you ate horsemeat because you think it's wrong to eat horses while thinking it's okay to eat cows.
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:28, Reply)

Ahhhh, i get what you mean now.
I still disagree though, in the respect for some people. To some people, a horse to them is how I'd see a dog. Jockeys and mounted police, for example, would regard a horse as an almost equal, and would be horifide that someone was using their species as food; and worst, cheap food.

Although there is no religion that I know of that regards a Horse as a superior/inferior animal (such as a hindu would a cow, or a jew would a pig)... would you say the same if it turned out to be meat from an animal held in that regard?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:43, Reply)

nah, you're still wrong
just because we label one animal "pet" and another "food" has no moral significance, it's just convention.

edit: I also don't care what "some people think", some people are fucking stupid.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:47, Reply)

I would actually, I don't see why religions get to say anything about your life
from what you should wear on your head, to how you have your beard, to how you treat women, let alone what animals you should eat.

Back in the dark ages it made sense to tell people not to eat pork or shellfish because it stopped people getting ill, but that's no longer the case.
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:49, Reply)

In the same way you have the choice not to live by a religion, they have the choice to live by that religion... and that choice is both respected and protected in law.
If I threw a pig corpse at a mosque, it would have a far different meaning than if I threw a chicken corpse.

For those who chose to hold the animal in high regard, they're not saying nobody else can do what they want, but their choice should be respected for that individual.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:57, Reply)

I know they can live by religion if they want to
but I don't agree with their views and I don't agree that they should be treated differently by virtue of their belief in nonsense.

Selling someone pork when it should be beef should be considered to be as bad as selling someone horse meat when it should be beef. I don't see that it's any worse because some people have decided that pig is bad but beef is okay. I don't think that is a justifiable position to take.
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:04, Reply)

I think we're arriving at the same point from different views.
I agree that it should be treated no goodly/badly, but I disagree that it should be disregarded as a non-issue.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:23, Reply)

I think there's a distinction to be made between respect and toleration.
I am morally bound to tolerate your religion, provided it does not hurt others. I am not bound to respect other people's silliness, just their right to be silly.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:05, Reply)

It sounds like reverse of tradition here, you're inflicting your athiest views on them, rather them inflicting their religious views on you.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:22, Reply)

I don't think anyone is saying it's not wrong to sell one thing and say it's something else
only that it's not immoral to eat/sell horse.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:29, Reply)

Fillet £8 kg
All other cuts £5 kg.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:56, Reply)

+n

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:11, Reply)

I love how Owen Patterson went on record on friday saying there was no risk to human health
despite not doing any testing yet, and then on Sunday says there might be a risk as the horsemeat may have contained all sorts of drugs and it then turns out it might have come from Romania, which isn't allowed to sell it's horesmeat because all their horses have "horseAIDS"
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:55, Reply)

hence the long faces

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:56, Reply)

I have just over £3 with which to secure some lunch...not sure how far this will get me

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:55, Reply)

Put it on a horse.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:56, Reply)

sell your body (for burgers)
you might get another 50p
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:57, Reply)

I'll hve you know I'd get easily some pounds for my body

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:59, Reply)

Altalt: Horse.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:56, Reply)

Horse meat is delicious.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:57, Reply)

Fucking Romanians innit
Dodgy Slavs up to their usual slippery antics.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:58, Reply)

Coming over here
feeding us their horses.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:00, Reply)

us their horses our ponies
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:01, Reply)

It's when they can eat sugar lumps out of your hand you should worry.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:03, Reply)

coming soon to a flat near you?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:00, Reply)

I fucking love horse meat
But since all this stuff is in shite processed food it's not likely to affect me, since I wouldn't touch that shit with Monty's and Battered pushing.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:00, Reply)

Exactly these pikey scummers have spent £1 on a lasgane for 4, what do they expect it not to be ful o shit

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:00, Reply)

should have stuck to linda's "chilli non carne"

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:01, Reply)

should have stuck to actual fucking food.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:02, Reply)

i've not tried that one
but the vegetable shepherds pie was actually v nice. however, it was bought in sheer desperation, i never buy ready meals. i don't like the idea that i can buy it on 1 feb and it doesn't go off for 3 weeks... what the fuck is in it?!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:04, Reply)

horse, apparently.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:06, Reply)

vegetarian food puns, can civilization stoop any lower?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:03, Reply)

sister fucking?
cheapskate home brew chat?
post modernist hamster seduction?
gay noncing?
feeding pennies to cats?
mortgaging your bumhole?
lefty handwringing bleeding gash blogging?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:05, Reply)

gg bb
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:08, Reply)

heavy flow lols

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:10, Reply)

They're slashing prices of frozen food now because of this.
Lasagne is now 3/1.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:00, Reply)

textbook, Jeffers.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:02, Reply)

+ ies

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:03, Reply)

I blame the supermarket's buyers
It's interesting that the story's gone from a 'filler/bulking agent' in burgers having 'traces of horse DNA' to outright substitution of horse meat for beef! Now the Irish are blaming the Polish suppliers who, in turn, are blaming the Romanians - how far does this meat travel FFS! Now it's been reported that there's a Cypriot 'meat broker' in teh suply chain too - so much for Buy British/Locally sourced.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:07, Reply)

a swedish manufacturer
selling in the uk, sourcing its stuff from france and spain, who in turn sourced from romania, by the look of it.

but yes, the finger has to point somewhere at people who think it's ok to pay £1 for 4 burgers and not think that just ain't right.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:09, Reply)

It's all the fault of the poor.
We should cut their incomes to solve the problem.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:15, Reply)

better yet
just make the burgers out of poor people.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:18, Reply)

They've been contaminated with horse meat though.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:19, Reply)

lol, imagine the fat content of a chav burger

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:21, Reply)

I bet the meat would look like corned beef
and leech out bacon milk
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:22, Reply)

but it would just be eaten by other proles
so who cares, right?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:26, Reply)

Erm, this is the bottom-of-the-food chain mechanically rendered shit we're talking about
buy British? They should be fucking grateful it's actually meat. Seriously, if you buy ready meal lasagne at £2 for a family of four, I can't believe you can have any objections unless it's actually poisoned.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:09, Reply)

This is what i would say if I were invited onto Newsnight

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:11, Reply)

They still haven't invited you to comment?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:15, Reply)

It might actually contain poison.

( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:11, Reply)

we can probably do without the people buying that kind of food anyway

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:12, Reply)

Yeah, I don't really have an issue with it.

( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:13, Reply)

why has nobody said this in parliament yet?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:15, Reply)

JESUS-APE FOR PM!!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:18, Reply)

that should be your new sig

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:26, Reply)

Yeah, that is a valid point in this case.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:14, Reply)

ourced sired
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:10, Reply)

When has this been about "Buy British"?
These companies aren't claiming that it contains British meat at all.
( Bazongaloid, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:12, Reply)

I think it's more to do with the fraud aspect
why people are on their high horse (aha!)

But seriously, how often are checks done? it's probably been in food for years.

Tastes delish.

Bollockneighs
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:24, Reply)

If it's Romanians, then it'll be because nobody bribed the factory
to actually use beef. They'll have been paid to supply beef, but because no bribe was forthcoming, they took their cut out of using cheaper materials.

Lots of horses in Romania.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:28, Reply)

not any more

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:34, Reply)

I'd eat me a horsemeat burger.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:49, Reply)

yeah but you're french

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:53, Reply)

I sort of read somewhere
that some of the stuff they give to horses isn't legally allowed into the human food chain, which is why it's an actual problem rather than just a labelling issue. I could be wrong though.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:50, Reply)

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:52, Reply)

Kids these days love ketamine.
Coincidence?
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:53, Reply)