this are seeryuss thread.
i've been headhunted by a big name brand in the fashion and clothing market. i'm currently in my first design job. this isn't boasting, it's scene setting.
my job now is at a small company, i've been here nearly a year and not one single bit of outside work, despite what i was promised, eveything's been hypothetical stuff for tenders, or ijn-house.
HOWEVER
pay is ok, i like the peeps i work with, and they did take a chance employing me as i had little or no experience in the field, just a portfolio of stuff and enthusiasm.

i don't want to do this graphic design lark half-aRSEDLY, this opportunity is tentative at best and i don't want to miss the boat, but i'm having a moral dilemma as if i leave, the company i'm with are pretty screwed, or at least severely set back.
what to do b3tans, what to do? i know self-preservation is important, and this is some once-in-a-lifetime shit... but i'd feel like a humongous cunt hitching a lift on this company till a better one comes along.. kinda like dating a chick till you get a better offer. help mah brain pls.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:18, 83 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

If a company can't afford to lose you then they should pay you an exceptional amount of money.
You're not that irreplacable, take the job.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:21, Reply)

It's not like there's a shortage of unemployed graphic designers.
rofl.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:21, Reply)

when it comes to the job,
you have to look after number one or you will be fucked over the moment you show weakness. See if you can get a contract from the new employer then present it to your current one and ask how much they want you to stay.

rafter
baz
(bazmorningstar efil4nat3b, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:24, Reply)

it's not so much the money
it's more that i'm just starting my design career. getting an in-house for this brand would fast forward me to a place that might take years to get to otherwise. i never planned to stay here forever, but this is a LITTLE sooner than even i anticipated.
how long did people here stay in their first design jobs?
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:28, Reply)

I'm an engineer
and quite unusual as I've been in my job 5 years.

My mrs has changed several times, and it is expected. She moved offices within one company, found it to be shit and had left 3 weeks later for a better company.

The only thing you owe a company is to work out the notice period in your contract.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:30, Reply)

about 6 years
but went back to first employer twice more. In the end they got fucked off and put me on a years rolling notice period.

Soon after they changed where we worked, and wanted to put me back on my 1 month notice period.

I ended up with a compromise 10 grand in my pocket.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:34, Reply)

You don't owe them, it's a job end of

Take the better job, or you forever regret it and be stuck in a dead end company forever.

Or consolidate all of you loans, quit the job and go back to Uni
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:26, Reply)

You're doing hypothetical stuff and inhouse stuff
Where did you get the idea they'd be screwed if you left? Sounds more like a cult to me.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:27, Reply)

small but perfectly formed company
they make really really good digital signage software/hardware. i make it look good with swanky content, and have learned the systems. they're at a point where they are mid-expand, they need everyone on board and training a newbie would shit it right up.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:30, Reply)

take the better job
if you are looking to salve your conscience, tell yourself that they didn't give you the work they promised.

you shouldn't need to. It's your life, your sole purpose is to make it enjoyable to live. Not taking this job would be defeating your purpose, so you may as well kill yourself.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:28, Reply)

harsh but fair
indeed.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:29, Reply)

I agree
kill yourself. Wait, did I miss something?
( djtrialprice, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:30, Reply)

If your current emplyers are as nice as you say
they will surely understand that you can't pass up a great opportunity. If you really get on with them, you might even be able to ask if you can give them a bell if things don't work out with the bigger firm.

Killing yourself is DEFINITELY the way to go here. Trust me. I did it, and I've never looked back.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:29, Reply)

If you wanna get ahead you gotta kill yourself, man

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:35, Reply)

Look at Joy Division
They aren't as popular as they are on the strength of the quality of their material, THAT'S for sure.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:37, Reply)

I agree.
I like some of their stuff, but they do have the Death Factor.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:53, Reply)

True that
I've killed myself 7 times so far, and that's just listening the their 1st album!
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:55, Reply)

You're a good lad, Spike, I like you.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:09, Reply)

You're a good lad, Spike, I like you.
you're a nice boy but you've got no brains, so shut your fucking face
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:15, Reply)

I have the urge to belm
*belms*
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:26, Reply)

Salvo two of belming at the ready!
*BELMS*
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:46, Reply)

same with the manic street preachers
couple of ok albums, then one guy offs himself and they hang around for ages, receiving acclaim, despite being whiny fucking tripe.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:10, Reply)

James Bradfield is a fucking nice bloke
but I wouldn't buy a record off him. I once went to a jungle night with him, bizarrely. He's about 5' tall.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:55, Reply)

ok, so how?
decapitation? ritual disembowelment by yak? listening to girls aloud on repeat for six and a quarter minutes? irate bee up the japseye?
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:36, Reply)

Chompy'll bum you to death
in exchange for a dictionary and a pack of Chewits.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:38, Reply)

no dice
those chewits are MINE. specially the purple ones. how about pooflake, roota and spanky innuendo me to death?
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:41, Reply)

You will die of old age first

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:43, Reply)

What a truly agonising way to die

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:47, Reply)

Woooah
Steady on mate. There is a line, even on here...
(The Boy Monders I have ginger bits in my beard., Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:53, Reply)

God, anybody would think I was a one-trick innuendo pony!
*flounces*
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:55, Reply)

You know plenty of pony tricks though don't you?

(PsychoChomp, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:01, Reply)

when you have sex with them

(PsychoChomp, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:03, Reply)

for money

(PsychoChomp, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:03, Reply)

not even much money,
it's probably below minimum wage.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:03, Reply)

I do it for drinks.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:05, Reply)

I doubt she charges

( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:05, Reply)

I do it for fucking drinks right.
And not Starberg lager either, but nice bottles of wine or coktails.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:07, Reply)

*sidesteps obvious 'cock tales' joke*
*fails to think of anything else in time*

umm..

i bet you love cock tales!




how am i doing?
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:10, Reply)

Mine's liebfraumilch

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:16, Reply)

There's nothing lower class about our Roota
She's royalty she is.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:10, Reply)

I am the Duchess of Toxteth

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:17, Reply)

you're not round enough to be a duchess surely?

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:18, Reply)

Countess?

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:20, Reply)

that could work

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:24, Reply)

You are the Countess of Bumshire
Sitting on your throne next to Monty.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:26, Reply)

ACE!!!

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:27, Reply)

better than being the Arsebishop of Cunterbury

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:27, Reply)

Oh man
i wish i hadn't been so hasty when i did POTD now!
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:28, Reply)

Too late now

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:29, Reply)

it is boss though isn;t it

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:30, Reply)

Yes your Ladyship
It is as you say, boss.

*Bows Low*

*Falls Over*
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:36, Reply)

*falls off screen*

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:36, Reply)

PsOTD!

( djtrialprice, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:12, Reply)

You watch it you

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:17, Reply)

This is an opportunity
When you are certain you have been offerered this new job, on terms you are happy with, do not accept straight away. Offer you resignation to your current employer, and if they want you to stay, they should offer you better conditions (ie. dosh) to stay. You now have the chance to re-appraise your situation. Is the new job now worth it against your improved old job? If yes, tell new employer and get the agreement in writing. Thank your old boss for the improved offer, and tell them that you must leave. Be nice, you never know if you will need them again.

Good luck. I've done this over the years, and have sometimes jumped and sometimes stayed. I always ended up with more money though.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:30, Reply)

more money WOULD be nice.
i feel bad because to be fair, i've invested a lot of time and energy inot this company too, i'd feel like a quitter walkin away now.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:32, Reply)

Read this:
every place I have worked, the engineers split in to two types. Hard working loyal employees who never say boo to a goose. These people are paid peanuts, and respected by nobody. Hard working emplyees who take opportunities, gain experience in other companies, and are paid shed loads. They get on because the bosses believe these people are go getters.

Take you pick.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:38, Reply)

Yep
I'm on a fair bit more than my nearest paid fellow CAD monkey, because I'm a gobshite, don't let my self be walked over and fucking excellent at my job. Oook.
(The Boy Monders I have ginger bits in my beard., Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:57, Reply)

"Once-in-a-lifetime shit"
You sold it right there.

They'll recover from losing you, you might never recover from not taking the opportunity
(TheColonel, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:35, Reply)

I did a once in a lifetime shit once
It was disappearing around the bend whilst still exiting my anoos, it must have been 18" long
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:43, Reply)

disappearing around the whilst?
That is once in a lifetime shit.
(TheColonel, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:45, Reply)

smartarse

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:57, Reply)

I imagine your arse smarted
after doing an 18" poo.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:01, Reply)

Brillinant it was more length than girth
it was also a non-wiper, good times
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:02, Reply)

yeah, you don't want to ruin a turd sculpture of that magnitude
by shrouding it's nutty magnificence with the toilet paper of ignominy.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:05, Reply)

It would be like wrapping Nelson's Column in brown paper
A great view spoiled.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:08, Reply)

Now THAT really is POTD, Pete

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:10, Reply)

yet again, my best material is toilet humour.
am i destined to wander this earth like some kind of human whooppee cushion, ruining everything that's beautiful with my scatological witterings?

probably
ah well.
shits'n'giggles.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:13, Reply)

;)

(TheColonel, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:07, Reply)

Truth is, you're frightened to play with the big boys.
Grow a pair and get in.
Who says another chance will ever come?
And bon chance.
( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:38, Reply)

you're actually not that far off the truth.
i have a now less secret than before inner fear that being placed in the REAL world of design will reveal me to be a talentless hack and i will be summarily executed with a rolled up poster of bono, lacquered to a brilliant shine and dipped in the blood of countless innocent wombles.

this is partially true.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:43, Reply)

But this other company head hunted you,
which means they believe you're more than capable of being able to do the job.
Write down the pros and cons of moving vs staying, and see which comes up on top.
And think long and hard about whether you'd regret it if you don't take the opportunity.
( Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:51, Reply)

Yeah
Grow a large pair of testicles and 'play' with the 'big boys'.

When did B3ta turn into 'Shirters Anonymous'?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:49, Reply)

Well, you're not anonymous
You are the Viscount of Bumshire.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:51, Reply)

POTD

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:56, Reply)

Fie upon you!

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:59, Reply)

i misread this as 'pie upon you'
and got hot and bothered.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:02, Reply)

I misread this as 'pee upon you'
Water sports
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:06, Reply)

grow a large pair?
let me tell you matey, i look like i'm perpetually riding a one-horned, unshaven spacehopper made out of anne widdecombe's spare bingo-wing skin.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:03, Reply)

Stay with the current company
and if anyone else comes-a-headhunting turn off all the lights and crouch in a corner of the room, rocking.
( whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 16:56, Reply)

rocking?
i'm sorry, but me sweating, shirtless, gurning, and mangling a perfectly good les paul is NOT hiding.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:02, Reply)

That took me far too long...

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:44, Reply)

just to add another "go for it vote"
Go for it, it may feel shitty but you regret the stuff you don't do a hell of a lot more than the stuff you do. I agree about giving your employer a change to throw money at you to stay, although it seems unlikely it'll change your mind if they did.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 9 Feb 2010, 17:52, Reply)