I have a moral dilemma
When I was with my old firm I started a law degree, which they paid for. I jacked it in after 2 years and eventually left the firm. They did make me sign something at the time I started the degree to say that I would pay it back if I left the firm within 2 years, but when I did leave they never asked me for anything.

Last night I got a letter from the uni saying that there is £400 still left on my account and asking if I want it back.

Would you be honest and tell them it belongs to the firm, or would you take it and hope no one ever finds out? If I took option b, I'm running the risk that if the firm do find out, they'll then remember that they paid for it and make me pay the whole lot back for being cheeky. So what would you do b3tans?
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:33, 102 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

Charidee
Write back and ask them to donate it to the student nightline charity. That way your old employer should not find out and even if they do, they can't accuse you of nicking it.
( RadG Drinking Mojitos in the sun, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:38, Reply)

That was my first thought
but then I could really do with £400.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:08, Reply)

Oh dear, I hate being sensible.
Tell the Uni that the money was payed by the company, and does not belong to you.
You don't seem to remember much from the two years you actually were enrolled. ON A LAW DEGREE.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:42, Reply)

What do you mean I don't remember much from my law degree?
I'm aware it doesn't belong to me, but if it's returned to the firm that might jog their memory that they paid for a degree I didn't use, which was a few grand that I don't have.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:06, Reply)

OK don't help them by giving more info than you have to, but still don't take the money.

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:08, Reply)

Would you really not take it?
I'm so tempted but also really scared. It's not like nicking penny sweets. Maybe I should just ignore the letter entirely. But I'm ridiculously skint. Goddammit.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:10, Reply)

The devil dangles fruits before your eyes.
but they are bitter fruits and full of shit.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:13, Reply)

b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post832998
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:31, Reply)

haha

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:37, Reply)

Take the money
and buy something you normally wouldn't.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:50, Reply)

Something like
Professional legal advice.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:53, Reply)

I meant more like a pony
or something fun but yeah fuck it.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:55, Reply)

You can't buy a pony for £400

(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:04, Reply)

But a pony is £25.
I don't understand.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:06, Reply)

I thought a pony was £100
Is that a monkey?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:08, Reply)

I thought a monkey was £500

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:08, Reply)

You are correct
at least, according to the internet you are correct.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:10, Reply)

I'll take it for the win.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:11, Reply)

look here
www.aldertons.com/money.htm
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:11, Reply)

I beg to differ pedant
www.toysdirect.com/my_little_pony_friendsrainbow_dash.html?source=googlebase
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:08, Reply)

IRL I would probably take the money and piss it up against a wall.

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:06, Reply)

Like a new elbow.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:54, Reply)

it's well mangled!!
I trapped it doing a silly move last night, it's proper black.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:06, Reply)

How long's it been?
If a company isn't efficient enough to remember to ask you to pay when you leave and let £400 slip through, it's hardly likely to have procedures in place to find out you've snarfed the cash. If it's been longer than a year, take it and spend it on corset-making materials.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:56, Reply)

It's been over 2 years now, so I think I should be safe
but I'm naturally an honest person, if I do steal it I'll be wracked with guilt for months.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:07, Reply)

I can take on that guilt for you for as little as £4 a day.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:10, Reply)

haha
you're a saint.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:16, Reply)

a s The S

de do do de do do dooo

/rollneck
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:26, Reply)

I watched half an episode of that yesterday.
MAN it' bad.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:27, Reply)

I think screwing a bunch of lawyers out of money is the best thing to do.
They don't care about that sort of thing.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 8:57, Reply)

You just think about screwing all the time

(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:04, Reply)

If the uni have written to me directly thinking that I paid for it
it's unlikely they've even noticed that the firm were involved, but I would be really frightened that I would be found out!
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:09, Reply)

er fundamentally wrong
Money is ALL law firms care about
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:15, Reply)

I was being sarcastic

(PsychoChomp, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:17, Reply)

*facepalm*

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:25, Reply)

My moral dilemma is thus:
Yesterday I phoned up a car showroom to enquire about a couple of cars they had with a view to going to see them on saturday. The guy said he would call me back with some more info, but didn't. Last night me and mrs al talked about the cars and decided that actually we didn't want that type of car and would instead go and see a different car at a different showroom if it's still there.

I think he just tried to call me, but I don't like taking calls from "Private Number" so I ignored it. Should I take the inevitable follow up call and tell him I'm not coming, or just keep ignoring him until he dies from starvation because he didn't sell any cars.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:07, Reply)

ignore him
he's a salesman, they don't have souls.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:09, Reply)

Take the call.
You never know when you might change your mind back again, or come across the same guy. Or even be that guy.

Karma's a bitch.
( The Teviot Moose major 5th., Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:10, Reply)

I would never be a salesman.
I'm terrible at talking to people.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:11, Reply)

Me neither, I hate the fact that your livelihood depends on upselling to people, when they'd do just fine at the base level.

( The Teviot Moose major 5th., Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:16, Reply)

But you just said you're in investment banking
your livelihood depends on screwing people over.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:19, Reply)

True - but I'm not on commission :)

( The Teviot Moose major 5th., Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:22, Reply)

remember
If anything happens and the law soc finds out it could stop you getting a practicing certificate or revoking one. Maybe try the ethics helpline at law soc??
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:10, Reply)

LawSoc has an *ethics* helpline.
*guffaw*
I work in investment banking, and that makes even me laugh :)
( The Teviot Moose major 5th., Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:11, Reply)

DAMN YOU VOICE OF REASON
*shakes fist at sky*
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:12, Reply)

alright Noel
good holiday?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:16, Reply)

Fantastic thanks!
Weather was a bit shit after Woolacombe and I think I buggered my knee up on the cliff walk, but all in all it was incredibly relaxing.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:20, Reply)

excellent stuff
glad to hear it
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:22, Reply)

Woo hello Noel!
Glad to hear your holiday was a success :D
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:34, Reply)

Alright?
Your profile pic on fb is a work of art!
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:39, Reply)

Grand thanks, off on hols myself soon
And thanks! I saw a croissant in M&S, and MADE the mrs take a pic of me. She despaired.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:48, Reply)

I quit my law degree after 2 years
so I'm not worried about future law practice. I'm mostly worried that if I do take it they'll find out and prosecute me for theft, plus make me pay back all my tuition fees. But if I return the money to them they could still make me pay back my tuition.

OH WHAT DO I DO?!
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:18, Reply)

You say you quit that job AFTER two years
And "They did make me sign something at the time I started the degree to say that I would pay it back if I left the firm within 2 years". Therefore, they can't make you pay it all back.

Taking the £400 would be considered at best minor theft. If I were you I'd write a letter to your old firm, explaining that you've had this uni letter (enclose a copy of it), that you left after two years of employment there (no need to specify the signed clause, just say you worked there over 2 years), and let them chase their money.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:33, Reply)

It's usually "leave within 2 years of leaving the course"

(PsychoChomp, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:34, Reply)

That's what I thought, but her quote says otherwise.
It's why I turned down doing a Masters paid by my company, it locks me down to this place for too long.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:37, Reply)

yeah it was like this
I worded it badly. I jacked the degree in after 2 years of doing it, but I left the firm within 4 months of doing that.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:40, Reply)

Bad wording is why you'd have never made it as a Law Woman Type
Shame on you.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:44, Reply)

I'm not sure if this is a 'morel' dilemma.
A moral dilema, I thought, was where you think about what you precieve is 'right' or 'wrong', rather than focus on the consiquences of your actions on a non-emotional basis.

I donno what I would do if I was you, not a clue, at your old firm, was there anyone highish up who you are friendly with, or at least, someone you noshed off and can now bribe?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:11, Reply)

it's certainly not a morel dilemma
there are no mushrooms involved at all
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:14, Reply)

Classy.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:16, Reply)

Speaking of food, I was watching "Iron Chef UK" last night on 4od.
Oh LOL, it is fantastic how they've tried to recreate Iron Chef America, but it's got that over-enthusastic wine guy. It's 30 minutes of pure cheesy one-liners about food. It really really doesn't work with british accents at all.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:16, Reply)

It got cancelled after about 4 programmes.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:19, Reply)

Nah', there are a few.
www.youtube.com/show/ironchefuk

I prefer the american format, where it's 1v1 with 7 dishes each.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:22, Reply)

Why is it "Iron" chef?
Do they make them run a marathon and then cook?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:19, Reply)

It's because that ultra-camp fellow is a fucking 'iron'

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:26, Reply)

I like it

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:27, Reply)

I think it's because americans can be all like
"RAH ! I AM IRON ! I AM STEAL ! RAHHHH ! GUITAR SOLOS AND FIREWORKS ! IN THE WORDS OF MY UNCLE.... SOMETHING CHINESE !!!! LOOK AT THIS, A COOKING SHOW WITH 4 COMENTATORS, AND ONE OF THEM CAN DO BACK FLIPS !!!"
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:28, Reply)

that over-enthusiastic guy is crazy
my mrs hates him so I can't watch that.

The original chinese or japanese Iron Chef was amazing. I saw an episode with a chef famed for using the longest knives. This guy was using a 2 ft blade and doing stuff incredibly delicately and quickly with the tip of it.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:21, Reply)

Just like my cock.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:25, Reply)

I've missed you

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:26, Reply)

*high-fives*

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:28, Reply)

Hello there Noelly Noel.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:28, Reply)

HELLO THERE BOYCE OF REASON
*shakes fist in 'wanker' gesture*
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:33, Reply)

How the devil are you?

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:33, Reply)

I've been better.
I was in fucking hospital yesterday following an allergic reaction to some dodgy drugs. Not one of my life's high points.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:35, Reply)

Dear Monty,
Saddest of sad faces.

Please stop killing yourself.

lots of love,

- those who think you're alright.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:38, Reply)

What if we don't think he's alright?
Can we have happy faces and hope that he doesn't stop killing him self?

Also, what drugs were you taking?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:41, Reply)

MASSIVE ones, of course.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:45, Reply)

Can't you find a hobby that doesn't involve killing yourself on a weekly basis?
I donno what exactly, have you tried crochet?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:50, Reply)

I'm good at croquet.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:51, Reply)

Maybe next time you go to snort rat poison, you could try croquet instead?
Unless it's raining, then maybe flower arranging?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:53, Reply)

AL ! GET ME THE MASSIVE RAT POISON !!!
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:54, Reply)

Croquet comes with a massive mallet
I'm not sure I want him walking round with one of those.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:55, Reply)

I once thrashed about ten people*
at a stately home in Devon, then threw up all over the croquet lawn and went to sleep, bounder that I am.


*at croquet
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 10:05, Reply)

Aww yeah, a bit of ^this.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:41, Reply)

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:43, Reply)

*guffaws*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:46, Reply)

Nothing picks up a sad, serious thread
Like an upset puppy and a spot of grave robbing.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:47, Reply)

Hahaha

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:53, Reply)

So when you posted that you were off to hospital
You were actually serious? I thought it was just some sort of niche mini-flounce.
(PenguinOfDeath is Scottish, and most likely angry, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:41, Reply)

'Fraid so.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:44, Reply)

My moral dilemma is this
Over the past 15 years I've committed an increasingly savage series of unprovoked attacks in my local park. I've never been caught but I'm starting to feel a little bit guilty, particularly after my last one, when I hanged a disabled man from a tree.

So do I confess to the police or just keep doing them in an increasingly sloppy manner in the hope that eventually I get caught?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:15, Reply)

hung or hanged?
important distinction I think

I have to know before I pass judgement
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:16, Reply)

It's 'hanged'.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:18, Reply)

Of course it's hanged
only dead meat is hung.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:20, Reply)

I know that
I meant did monty hang him to death, or kill him then hang him up
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:21, Reply)

Technically the spacker was indeed dead meat (evenutally)
so he was both.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:23, Reply)

Really?
My meat is well hung, but it aint dead.
(tarbin tarbis, tarbit, tarbamus, tarbimus, tarbant, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 10:24, Reply)

Check to see if you are a catholic.
even if you are not, tell a priest and your problems will be solved.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:18, Reply)

Really? Excellent.
My father is a priest. I'll tell him.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:20, Reply)

Don't forget, you have to be really sorry,
Not just pretend sorry.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:25, Reply)

Ah shit, this isn't going to work, then.
Gu-tted.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Aug 2010, 9:26, Reply)