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reply to this with things in your head

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:43, archived)
That Dekion is right shit

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:44, archived)
I think I might go to bed

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:45, archived)
STAR WARS THE FUCKIN OLD REPUBLIC

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:45, archived)
more threads should be like this

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:47, archived)
teeth and mucus.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:45, archived)
is she gonna reply
or am i gonna go down to the shore and burn rubbish
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:45, archived)
I hope there is chicken soup in the cupboard.
I'm off out for a fag.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:45, archived)
I've got cock soup in my cupboard.
Gonzo very kindly brought some to my last but one bash.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:49, archived)
I've only got tomato.
I may bring a variety of soups to your August bash. Really show gonz up.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:54, archived)
They'll need to have comedy names.
Or pictures of cocks on the front.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:01, archived)
There's nothing funny about soup.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:04, archived)
No more facts. I have my degree. WOOOOOP WOOOOOOP.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:46, archived)
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Four of us are off to the cocktail bar again tomorrow to celebrate passing our exams and one of the others just got engaged. I foresee much giggling tomorrow evening.

What did you get?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:51, archived)
A 2:1!
Yay!

I was supposed to be celebrating with T but he's got flu so I'm at home but had a nice drink with my mum and sister and it's just a lovely feeling.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:58, archived)
Swine flu?
All the best people get 2:1s. It's just nice not to have deadlines isn't it? My last one is December then I'm done for good.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:01, archived)
Could be...he might turn into a pig.
So nice not to have deadlines, and not to wake up and have all the reading looming over you, and to read for pleasure!
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:05, archived)
I went out and bought a load of books the week before I had to get stuff in
just to give me the last incentive I needed to get on with it. I'm happily working my way through them now.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:09, archived)
erm...
jobs have dealines too. If I were you I'd become a philosopher instead.

Deadlines, Metrics, Targets, 'Stretch-targets', Missions, make the most of it while you can avoid being under pressure, and when you enter the job market, make sure you are ON TOP and doling it out, not under the cosh and stressing about it :-)
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:18, archived)
I know. But for this year I'm a barmaid.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:21, archived)
then again, at least with regular work
you get to go home at 5.... in the evening, not the morning.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:26, archived)
It is beautiful having the weekends off.
But I'm not sure if it makes up for how much more work I have to do overall.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:27, archived)
Make them wait for their pints :)

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:27, archived)
at least in a pub
if someone is being an arsehole, chances are you can get a bouncer to throw them out.

Less chance of that if you're in an office and it's a colleague in Accounts being an arsehole :-(
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:32, archived)
well done you clevery person
now I know who to come to when I need something translated in a rush.... Babelfish isn't good enough for most of the stuff I get through from Magneti
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:05, archived)
At work we need to get papers and technical manuals translated quite often
but luckily we're based in a city full of foreign students so it's not too expensive.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:12, archived)
The last time I used Babelfish
after a web-automated reply from a supplier's query site, it said 'Greetings! We will immediately sit down on your query and talk over it!'

another 'That's Life' moment :-)
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:15, archived)
Pfffft.
I bet that gave you no end of confidence in their services.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:29, archived)
I charge for that sort of thing nowadays.
Am working for the family business as a translator this year, then going back to uni September 2010 to get my translation masters.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:16, archived)
ah- I didn't mean I was expecting a freebie
but I'd rather put the money in the hand of someone that earns the cash, not the office manager who makes a living by skimming money from those that actually have the talent to do the job.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:20, archived)
*sweeps you up into a wonderful hug*
When does Lizzie get her results?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:06, archived)
*snuggle snuggle*
No idea, mine are relatively early compared to other unis I think though.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:17, archived)
nice one

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:23, archived)
I thought i'd lost my glastonbury ticket,
I've found it now.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:46, archived)
i need a piss

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:46, archived)
Phwoarr
i'd give her one
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:46, archived)
one what?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:47, archived)
Jaffa cake
want one fatty? LOLOL!!1!!
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:48, archived)
no taa
I'm trying to get less fatty
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:50, archived)
Ah
but they dont have any calorific value if they're someone elses
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:51, archived)
I so wish that was true

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:54, archived)
NYOM NYOM

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:55, archived)
My new skirt brings all the boys to the yard

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:47, archived)
Sexiest Hovercraft 2009

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:48, archived)
I'm levitating as I type this

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:51, archived)
OOh
bend over again luv
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:49, archived)
iutsde reeall;;y jhatrd 2 typ[ewityh yuoure toiunmgue

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:47, archived)
My ability to type is unaffected, I can assure you.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:49, archived)
that's because the size of your tongue is directly proportional to your skills at cunnilingus
your tongue-typing skills proving that you have the length and girth of an Ikea pencil.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:59, archived)
MNNNNGGGGHHHHHH
a/c
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:49, archived)
joomla, websites, the office, fire

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:50, archived)
argh scared is this going to be cheaper fuck i'm actually leaving this is weird i'm hungry i want a fag i want the sims 3

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:50, archived)
Sims3 is addictive :(
What are you leaving?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:52, archived)
England.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:59, archived)
Nice one.
Going anywhere exciting?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:01, archived)
I'd guess Ireland.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:02, archived)
What is it they say about assumption being the brother of all fuckups?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:04, archived)
I don't know. What?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:07, archived)
Fucker.
Go and watch Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, then come back and exchange quotes with me
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:10, archived)
I'd rather watch the Eastenders omnibus on Sunday.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:12, archived)
Get arta my pahhhb

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:16, archived)
YOU AIN'T MA MUVVA!

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:18, archived)
yup

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:07, archived)
Oz or back to Ireland?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:02, archived)
Back to the Motherland.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:07, archived)
Does that mean you're not coming to the bash?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:11, archived)
Oooh, I meant to check that. Probably not, unless I find a big pile of money or something:(

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:12, archived)
Gah.
You will be missed. We'll phone you so you can shout abuse at us.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:15, archived)
Hurray!

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:16, archived)

argh scared is this go
ng to be
er
i'm actually leaving this is weird i'm hungry i want a fag i want the sims 3
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:53, archived)
Fucking hell, that took me far too long to work out.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:59, archived)
It wasn't the snappiest of strikethroughs
Good evening Esme Wesme
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:03, archived)
Hi Broady Woady

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:08, archived)
Horse.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:51, archived)
Exactly what is the distinction between analytic and synthetic propositions?
If we say 'all bachelors are unmarried', that's an analytic proposition, because 'unmarried' is contained within the definition of 'bachelor'.
But how is this different from saying 'all cakes have icing'? If I've only ever seen cakes with icing, when I say 'cake' I surely must be referring to something that has icing, so the statement is necessarily true.
When we come to see a cake that doesn't have icing, we revise our definition of 'cake', and remove 'has icing' from the list of predicates of the thing we refer to when we say 'cake' - but we couldn't do this with 'bachelor'. Why not?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:51, archived)


(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:52, archived)
yur wel cleva, innit

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:53, archived)
The alternative would be to say that even if I haven't ever seen cakes without icing,
they're still in the set of things I refer to when I say 'cake'. But that's just crazy.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:53, archived)
Or that when I say something
I refer to a rough amalgamation of all of the predicates, but a few are dispensible. But that seems crazy too.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:57, archived)
the present king of France is bald

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:00, archived)
Well in this case 'iced' is a dispensible predicate.
The reason being it's not a necessary predicate that's generally associated with cakes. If everyone else agreed that cakes must be iced, then it would be in the same category as batchelor.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:01, archived)
If 'cake' necessarily entailed icing
you wouldn't have chosen it as your example.

If no-one had any significant experience of cakes without icing, the word 'cake' would necessarily entail icing.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:01, archived)
That's what I'm saying.
But doesn't that seem weird and wrong?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:04, archived)
No. Why?
Only because you choose something you know and then give it a "weird and wrong" definition.

If all blee consists of crawt and fleem, then blee without fleem is just crawt. Or fleemless blee.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:07, archived)
Oh, who the fuck cares
Stop reading into what people say and mean so much and get on with your fucking like
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:53, archived)
I missed the question mark out on purpose,
to frustrate you!
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:54, archived)
And misspelt "life"

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:55, archived)
Ha
That was unintentional
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:01, archived)
:)

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:03, archived)
*gets on with her fucking*

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:55, archived)
This is like
touch my bum.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:28, archived)
so i hear you're a philosophy student

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:54, archived)
possibly because the word "bachelor" is unique; its only definition being an unmarried man
you could never see a married bachelor that could give you the option to revise your definition. However, you've presumed the meaning of cake by observation, as the word "Cake," is effectively meaningless because its dictionary definition doesnt tell us whether to expect meringue, black-forest gateau or cheesecake.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:56, archived)
The cake is a...
I can't say it
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:01, archived)
Revision of definition is important.
Until I see an uniced cake, when I say 'cake' I refer to things that are iced. The statement 'all cakes have icing' is true, because when I say 'cake' I refer to something that has icing.
After I see an uniced cake, I revise my definition of cake, so the statement 'all cakes have icing' is false. But the two statements mean different things, so it's perfectly okay for the one to be true and the other to be false. They pick out different things, but using the same symbols.

This *isn't satisfactory*. It doesn't seem right. But I don't see how it can't be.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:03, archived)
Are you still going?
Wow. I admire your dedication.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:05, archived)
It's perfectly satisfactory to me.
That kind of statement will always depend on your own definition. In this case 'true' only really means 'consistent with my definition'.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:06, archived)
But in that case we don't know anything empirically, because all statements are analytic.
Which is just intuitively wrong.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:10, archived)
Intuition doesn't always go very far.
We know it well enough to interact quite happily with the world, but I'd argue it's always subjective.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:13, archived)
Intuition is, it seems to me, massively important to philosophy.
Most of what philosophy does is to try to come up with a definition of a thing that is both logically consistent and roughly fits in with our intuition.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:16, archived)
I thought the exact opposite (my first degree was part philosophy).
I never saw any reason to assume that the logical conclusion would coincide with my intuitive beliefs.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:19, archived)
nothing is intuitively anything
again, intuition is just based on a historical pattern of previous experiences driving expectation; it's not really a hardwired genetic expectation that you're born with.
But if we're talking about abstract names of things, like bachelor and cake, then of course they can be analytic. Remember there are elements hypothesized and calculated to exist but never empirically proven to exist, but they still have names and weights and other definitions.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:14, archived)
is there any way you could revise your definition of bachelor?
could bachelor ever include another variable than "married/unmarried?" No. Hence the distinction of the two types.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:10, archived)
Okay. I think that's right.
Can we say why one is revisable and the other isn't?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:12, archived)
The only distinction I can see is that we can't imagine how batchelor would be extended.
I don't think it's logically impossible to extend the definition of batchelor, just unlikely and hard to see why it would be done.
As cake covers such a wide variety of objects, it's easy to see it expanding as a definition.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:15, archived)
because bachelor is just a classification of an already existing object; a man, a male, a human.
Whereas cake isn't even a foodstuff; it's such a broad spectrum of objects that its multi-variable nature (icing yes/no; cream yes/no; egg yes/no; hot yes/no;) means that it can still be revised down until there is only one variable. Hence, cake is revisable, but black forest gateau isn't ("was this made with cherries, cream and cocoa sponge yes/no?"), and until you reach that point, all other variables are dispensible.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:17, archived)
I'm not sure if i see the distinction between 'iced, yes/no' and 'brown/blonde/red haired' for a batchelor.
Is it just that we're assuming we can recognise a man much better than we can regonise a cake?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:25, archived)
Because 'unmarried' is a necessary condition to call someone a batchelor, it's a part of the definition.
'iced' is not necessary to call something a cake. You could easily define it as such, and discard uniced 'cakes' from that group, but that wouldn't fit with the common definition.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:56, archived)
But suppose nobody had ever seen a cake that didn't have icing.
Wouldn't 'has icing' be part of the definition of the cake? Why would it be a more dispensible predicate than the predicate 'unmarried' is of 'bachelor'?
If I (and suppose for convenience everybody else) have only ever seen iced cakes, how can I be referring to anything other than a set of things that contains the predicate 'has icing'?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:59, archived)
because you've developed your own meaning of "cake"
whereas you didn't develop your own meaning of "bachelor" from observation, as there is only one variable to bachelor; married or unmarried. Cakes have many, many variables, which is why icing is not an intrinsic part of their dictionary definition
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:02, archived)
It wouldn't be more dispensible.
Unless society or some social group decided to extend their definition to include uniced cakes, then the definition would be unchanged.
In the same way, if society for whatever reason decided to include 'men with brown hair' or something in their definition of batchelor, then 'unmarried' would be dispensible.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:03, archived)
Iced bachelor?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:04, archived)
To answer your original point
a cake without icing wouldn't lose the predicate; it would not be called a cake.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:06, archived)
But that can't be right. We revise our meaning of words all the time to account for new experiences.
If I saw something that was exactly like a cake in all respects except that it wasn't iced, I'd remove 'is iced' from my list of cakey predicates, and from then on I'd mean something different when I said 'cake'.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:09, archived)
not really
if I saw a human body that had absolutely everything except a leg, I wouldn't call it a human. It's a cripple. A fucking one-legged spacker cripple cunt.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:11, archived)
Who else would?
No-one would have a clue what you were talking about. Until you popularised it, and then cake would not require icing.

Bachelor is an existing widely-used word for [man] + [is married]. The reason you don't talk about a married bachelor is because it's not useful communication.

Words are for communication, there's no logos behind them. They're only meaningful because they're useful; their meaning is their use.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:19, archived)
On the flip side
some nouns have so many predicates that if you try to analyse them they all but disappear. "Game" is one. Yet people use them every day and know exactly what a game is.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:24, archived)
i've to see icing on
a urinal cake
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 23:02, archived)
Have you really never seen a cake without icing?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:08, archived)
Not even a victoria sponge?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:23, archived)
Surely you've seen a jaffa cake?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:30, archived)
YOU'VE NEVER WATCHED JURASSIC PARK?!??!

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:35, archived)
I want my 360 to work again.
I miss Fallout 3.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:55, archived)
There had better be some bread here.
I can't have soup without bread.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:56, archived)
put rice in it
*not joking*
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:59, archived)
That just doesn't sound right.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:21, archived)
this Mega Man 9 is
way harder than all the original NES ones used to be. Seriously, they're taking the piss.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:58, archived)
What cunt ate all the bread?
Who the fuck eats an entire fucking loaf of bread?

Why am I still missing two randomburns?
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:00, archived)
Only two?
You're lucky. I've only had one so far and an apology and promise for a second.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:06, archived)
You can have the one piston broke sent me, if you like.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:10, archived)
Ditto. Picking Mike's up from the Post Office tomorrow as I wasn't even worth putting a stamp on it by the sound of things!

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:15, archived)
Never mind, the bread was in a different cupboard.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:05, archived)
*types with eyes*

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:06, archived)
Did you get my randomburn?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:09, archived)
Ha, Randombum.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:11, archived)
*bums*

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:14, archived)
HAVE YOU GOT MINE YET?

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:18, archived)
NO.

(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:20, archived)
FUCKHOLES
I posted them all at once. I've not heard anything from the others I posted to so it looks like I may have to DO IT AGAIN.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:23, archived)
I've had one from Jorvic, GRoS and piston.
Waiting for your one, and I don't know who the fifth one is.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:26, archived)
Yes ta!
Tis good too.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:59, archived)
"Dekion. Do do do do.
Oh Dekionplexis do do do do do
you are my candy girl" etc.
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:10, archived)
crunchee
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Dg3QMfWgQ
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:13, archived)
this
spotify:track:4LX1UlvBCZhwVMFeM2kSgA
(, Tue 23 Jun 2009, 22:16, archived)