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# An in/out referendum on the EU Mr Cameron?
(I helped save b3ta! beaubodor blogless, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:11, archived)
#
space the middle of the Atlantic desperately trying to cosy up to the USA who will always regard you as a fair weather friend at best, and even then largely because you're well positioned wiht Europe.

...but I can understand the use of "space" in the interests of brevity.
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:13, archived)
# The US are already on record as saying it would be a fucking stupid move to ditch the EU.
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:21, archived)
# I think everyone apart from Cameron, a handful of his more mental back benchers, and Nigel Farage, is already on record as saying it would be a fucking stupid move to ditch the EU.
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:23, archived)
# I'm interested as to who would benefit if we did leave the EU.
They must have some pretty solid reasons other than not liking the French.
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:29, archived)
# God Fuck the French
If we left the EU we could invade France and take back the territory that used to belong to England. From Calais, through Normandy, all the way down the coast to the Pyranees. All the lands of the Plantagenets at the height of their power, with Scotland and Wales added on to boot.

THEN we could make Europe tremble.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:31, archived)
# I think it's tradition to invade Poland first.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:46, archived)
# Nah, only if you're German
and even then you can go through Belgium instead. We've got a proud history of going in through Normandy.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:48, archived)
# re: Treaty of Troyes.
Though the French Crown passed to Henry V, England and France were to be ruled as separate nations, with neither having precedence over the other's customs or laws.
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:51, archived)
# That's absolutely fine
All we need to do is redefine the borders of "France" such that it returns to the Ile de France and loses suzerainity over Normandy and the Atlantic coast. It can negotiate with Germany and Spain over who has ownership of current-day South-West France. So long as there's a polity called "France" which is identifiably the descendent of the "France" that signed the treaty, all will be fine.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 14:10, archived)
# Not liking the French
is a good enough reason.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:35, archived)
# Why would anybody invade France baffles me.
It's full of French.
(smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:04, archived)
# France without French can be a nice place
I know, i live there.
(VieuxConAigri is French, throw rocks at him, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:59, archived)
# Sadly, there's no shortage of people
who'd overturn European labour laws as quickly as they could, on the basis that it's the right of a free-born Englishman to be worked every hour god sends for a pittance.
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:52, archived)
# I don't think Cameron is seriously in argument that ditching the EU would be a fucking stupid move
His public persona may be different, and his private view might be that we'd be better off without the spics and the frogs and the dagos and the kraut, but I think professionally he has to know it would be suicide.

God I think I'm getting idealistic in my old age.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:29, archived)
# Dave wants us to stay IN
But he's getting bullied by the party to get us out.

But it's also a massive early election policy he knows will get him headlines and votes, and then not follow through with it (as Tony Blair did)
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:31, archived)
# Cameron will be campaigning on the stay in side
People like Bob Crow and others in the left will be on the other.
(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:51, archived)
# With a name like Bob Crow he should really be a half indian trapper with a fur hat living in the wilds of Canada.
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:06, archived)
# Back when I took public transport that's where I would have liked to see him placed.
Now I drive I quite like the guy.
(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:12, archived)
# If only.
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:39, archived)
# It's simple
first we opt out without actually considering it because, you know, a change is as good as a rest, then when we find ourselves on the verge of collapse we ask to rejoin/declare war on Europe
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:15, archived)
# I think the collapse comes before we actually opt out.
Given the chances of any major economic player actually investing in the UK with this question mark over our economic future are practically zero now.
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:17, archived)
# This ^^^
..
(I helped save b3ta! beaubodor blogless, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:21, archived)
# yeah but never mind that, someone on Big Brother dun a cheat
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:22, archived)
# Bill Hicks/American Gladiators...
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:26, archived)
# Was just thinking this.
'Go back to bed, America!'
(I helped save b3ta! Bourbon Fox Bourbon is a moron, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:28, archived)
# ha
:D
(Indifferent Leveson Inquiry closed - please leave a message., Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:34, archived)
# I think we can expect to start seeing even Tory bigwigs making arguments in favour of staying in the EU
Not necessarily arguments in favour of the EU itself, but certainly for staying in it and having some measure of say in the structures. Like it or not, everyone has to accept that Europe as a whole is and always will be, by dint of geographical accident even if shared culture is less important now than before, our major trading partner. It is also tied in a large trading bloc. Quitting this bloc, and then having our economy governed by its rules while having absolutely no sway over those rules, is ridiculous suicide. The Tories have reasonable advice, the same as anyone in power, both from their own advisers (some of whom even know their arses from their elbows) and from the Civil Service and from businesses, and I think most major businesses would panic at the idea of leaving the EU and being at the mercy of trade laws and a sterling left loose.

I'm not even sure people like Farrage want to genuinely leave the EU; maybe I'm naive but I'd hope he wants to shock the EU into a radical rethink of its setup. He does, after all, have no chance of actually achieving any real power except perhaps as a small party aligning with the Tories in the next Parliament. I'm not even sure I wouldn't agree with the idea of restructuring the EU significantly, though I highly doubt that my preferences would align much with Farrage. Maybe I'm wrong, and he'll virulently oppose it with a full heart.

Anyway, the point of this almost pointless spiel is that I reckon we can now see the Tories split into a painfully choreographed set of groupings. The "EU friendly", who will argue to stay in the EU (a small group, perhaps fronted by people like Ken Clarke); the "EU neutral" who will argue that there are many good things about the EU and the things that are less pleasing for Britain are more easily changed by standing in Brussels pissing out than standing in Dover pissing in (hello, "Dave"); and the "anti EU" who will make reasonably weak arguments about how much the EU costs and be rapidly shot down by both the other groupings (probably "George" will be the fall guy there, he's a dead duck anyway).
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:28, archived)
# It's a massively damaging way of attempting to shore up his leadership position in any case.
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:37, archived)
# There's probably a good case in that, yes
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:37, archived)
# I dunno.
I don't like forrins.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:19, archived)
# spoken like most of the 60 odd %
of the population who want us out of Europe
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:32, archived)
# Yeah
Bloody forrins, comin over here and giving us their money.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:34, archived)
# My mate who emmigrated to Bushville in Australia described it as
"Full of casual racists, who basically just wish the abos would fack orf home."
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:46, archived)
# Nice.
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:23, archived)
# FP this NOW!
; D
(I helped save b3ta! claptonista ,the idiot boy.........., Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:36, archived)