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Sweet Misery: A poisoned World
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-566922170441334340&ei=fCSQSef8KY
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i want a txt msg burger
Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:00,
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I am not responsible for what I do.Therefore, if I get fat from eating lard, or cancer because I smoke, it is someone else's fault.
GM, however, needs to feck off. We don't have any say in the matter, and now it's in the cycle.
Twunts.
(GM, however, needs to feck off. We don't have any say in the matter, and now it's in the cycle.
Twunts.
Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:46,
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If you want to get it off the cyclenick it's stablisers! A litre of the god awful coke actually costs a penny. THe mark up is criminal.
(
riverghost servicing your mum since,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:51,
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The ecosystem has far worse problemsAlien species, pollution. Most domestic breeds of plants and animals are the result of selective breeding (a form of GM) nowadays anyway.
Plus, given the increasing overpopulation of the planet, we're going to need GM crops just to avoid starving.
(Plus, given the increasing overpopulation of the planet, we're going to need GM crops just to avoid starving.
Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:52,
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Oh I fully support the ideas for GM.I don't support allowing it into the cycle untested, as they have done now.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:54,
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Mutagenic virii, that's the way to goFEV. Speed up evolution. Humans aren't going to evolve without it.
( Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:57,
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exactlythe reason people protested was because the government tried to sneak it past them, there wasn't a debate and the scientific evidence wasn't made public
(
Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:59,
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Yes but the effect of even tested GM produce is not fully knowIn the 80's one such supplimet killed over 100 people and caused up to another 10,000 people to fall ill in the US.
( riverghost servicing your mum since,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:02,
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which would support the idea of further testing, resolution and retestingbefore release.
Not that we have a choice now.
(Not that we have a choice now.
Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:11,
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There is a very good reasonthe great unwashed are excluded from debates such as this.
(
J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:16,
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what 'supplement' was that.And how is a food supplement a GMO crop. The WHO only shows the passed GMO foods in use as having insect resistance and herbicide tolerance bred into them.
Canada and the US bred Virus resistance into Squashes as well.
(Canada and the US bred Virus resistance into Squashes as well.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:11,
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That has absolutely norelation to genetically modified crops.
( Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:21,
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Not according to Jeffrey M. Smith so seems to have quite a solid reputation. riverghost servicing your mum since,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:29,
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well I'd suggest further readingbut your mind appears made up.
I'll just say this. Genetically engineered bacteria and genetically modified crops ( which we were discussing ) are not the same fields and have no relation to each other barring the vast umbrella of 'genetics'
(I'll just say this. Genetically engineered bacteria and genetically modified crops ( which we were discussing ) are not the same fields and have no relation to each other barring the vast umbrella of 'genetics'
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:31,
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Maybe that was a bad example but you have to admit that there's more than one argument regard GM products. riverghost servicing your mum since,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:36,
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All I can do is argue the facts as they are presented.There may be debate to be had but the fact remains that most of the 'argument' against is based on myth and lies.
( Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:39,
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Are you seriously anti-GM?God forbid we actually try and *feed* people, oh dear me, no.
( J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:53,
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Untested GM I think should be carefully tested before allowed into the cycle. Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:54,
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Yeah, I got that,But why - pretty much all crops have been genetically modified anyhow, and have been for years.
It's the same argument as saying that since male pattern baldness is hereditary, so is a requirement to fight in the First World War, because that's what happened to my grandfather.
That *really* works.
(It's the same argument as saying that since male pattern baldness is hereditary, so is a requirement to fight in the First World War, because that's what happened to my grandfather.
That *really* works.
J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:59,
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Does anyone with half an educationthink that corn, the foodstuff that started civilisation always looked like that?
( Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:00,
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I only had half an education.The crap half.
( J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:03,
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how do you meant untested?I'm sure someone, somewhere said " Yep, that's a huge tomato and it tastes fucking great".
If you mean unregulated then that's down to specific governments and where there is regulation ( such as most of the Western world ) there is extreme focus on consumer health and then environmental risks.
Besides, there is less of it 'in the cycle' than you might think with only 6 major GMO crops in worldwide mass use.
(If you mean unregulated then that's down to specific governments and where there is regulation ( such as most of the Western world ) there is extreme focus on consumer health and then environmental risks.
Besides, there is less of it 'in the cycle' than you might think with only 6 major GMO crops in worldwide mass use.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:59,
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Tomatos with fish genes.Etc.
Now they're out there - they've been grown in the open, and have already cross-pollinated with other, non-GM stuff.
Whether the original GM stuff was tested or not.
Wind doesn't really conform to regulations - Western or no.
(Now they're out there - they've been grown in the open, and have already cross-pollinated with other, non-GM stuff.
Whether the original GM stuff was tested or not.
Wind doesn't really conform to regulations - Western or no.
Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:09,
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Right.Tomatos with fish genes.
Any evidence - at all - that there is anything actually wrong with that?
Granted, it's a bit weird, but what the fuck - so is fucking Quorn.
(Any evidence - at all - that there is anything actually wrong with that?
Granted, it's a bit weird, but what the fuck - so is fucking Quorn.
J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:12,
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unfortunately, it's the converse that's the problemAny evidence - at all - that there is anything nothing actually wrong with that?
(,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:16,
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No. That simply doesn't work.Merely because people are unsettled by the concept doesn't make it wrong.
( J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:18,
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that's not what i'm trying to say. From a scientific point of view(ignoring the whale huggers views) there must be nothing wrong.
another way to put what I am trying to say is: everything must be right.
(,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:34,
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another way to put what I am trying to say is: everything must be right.
I'm not saying tomato with fish genes is wrong - I'm citing it as an example of GM, to illustrate the cross-pollination aspect. Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:16,
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You should read less of theanti GMO propaganda and more of the world health organisation literature before you use urban myth and half truths to prop up your argument.
The 'fish-gene' experiment was a bid to turn on cold resistance in tomato genes by copying the markers from Arctic fish. It never worked.
These antifreeze proteins are already present in the plants and are not taken from fish, they used the fish research to learn how to turn the genes on.
(The 'fish-gene' experiment was a bid to turn on cold resistance in tomato genes by copying the markers from Arctic fish. It never worked.
These antifreeze proteins are already present in the plants and are not taken from fish, they used the fish research to learn how to turn the genes on.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:16,
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I'm not saying tomato with fish genes is wrong - I'm citing it as an example of GM, to illustrate the cross-pollination aspect. Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:22,
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I'm saying it is wrong thoughbecause you are using an example of a thing that did not quite happen in the manner that you report it to support an argument that is based solely on your opinion and resistance to progress.
"Tomatoes with anti-freeze proteins already present in the food being switched on after studying how the same proteins work in Arctic flounder" Does not really have the same shock effect does it?
("Tomatoes with anti-freeze proteins already present in the food being switched on after studying how the same proteins work in Arctic flounder" Does not really have the same shock effect does it?
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:25,
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OK - I'm sorry.Here you go then: "Untested GM stuff shouldn't be allowed into the cycle."
Is that better?
(Is that better?
Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:33,
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It puts us back to the beginningas I don't know what you mean by untested.
As I said, The world health organisation monitors this. The national authorities are required to carry out thorough risk assessments for human and environmental health risks so assuming that's what you mean then I agree with you but considering that's the way it is now I don't see what you are wanting to change.
(As I said, The world health organisation monitors this. The national authorities are required to carry out thorough risk assessments for human and environmental health risks so assuming that's what you mean then I agree with you but considering that's the way it is now I don't see what you are wanting to change.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:37,
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GM foodis the best thing to happen to the world and it's lily-livered hippies that should hang their head in shame every time some child dies in a famine struck area because their constant, unfounded claims against modified foods are holding back progress.
Also MSG is the tastiest of all the food groups. I love it.
(Also MSG is the tastiest of all the food groups. I love it.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:53,
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msg is lovely, however the thing that concerns me about GMis that biological experiments/solutions, particularly where large populations, are concerned have gone a bit pear-shaped before.
I think continued development, and funding (which the aforementioned hippies are trying to prevent) is required.
(,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:01,
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I think continued development, and funding (which the aforementioned hippies are trying to prevent) is required.
But 'this happened in the past'is no argument for anything.
I might argue that Hitler went a bit potty so I call for an open season shooting politicians. I'd probably get elected on that platform actually. Oh wait...
(I might argue that Hitler went a bit potty so I call for an open season shooting politicians. I'd probably get elected on that platform actually. Oh wait...
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:04,
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See also: the manifesto for UKIP J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:06,
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'this happened in the past' isn't a valid argument for stopping GM cropsit's an argument in support for more funding and research for it, that way, hopefully it won't be a disaster with inedible crops developing.
(,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:08,
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But there is already funding and researchand it continues. The EU and WHO have agreed on 18 GMO crops to date with 12 pending. As I said, 6 are in major use worldwide. These modifications are just for herbicide tolerance and insect/virus resistance.
What would you have people do? Throw more money at proven technology and talk about it or get on and feed the starving?
(What would you have people do? Throw more money at proven technology and talk about it or get on and feed the starving?
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:19,
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there's always going to be new research to be done.If and when the research problem is solved then the products go into use, ie like the virus resistant crops.
There is no point not developing technology further if there is some advantage.
(,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:25,
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There is no point not developing technology further if there is some advantage.
That's just how it works nowso you may sleep safe.
( Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:33,
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i know...remember my bais, I'll always want more research so people will pay me money.It's just that the typical gm argument (particularly ones by political people) that i've seen goes down the lines of
"oh it's untestested, therefore bad and we must stop it immediately" vs. "People are starving, it must be accelerated and put in place as soon as possible"
And I don't want politicians cutting corners and research budgets.
(,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:40,
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"oh it's untestested, therefore bad and we must stop it immediately" vs. "People are starving, it must be accelerated and put in place as soon as possible"
And I don't want politicians cutting corners and research budgets.
I just don't understand the 'untested' bitjust because a word is bandied about does not make it fact.
There is international law on this. It differs slightly in some areas but EU law states that.
Article 4
Requirements
1. Food referred to in Article 3(1) must not:
(a) have adverse effects on human health, animal health or the
environment;
(b) mislead the consumer;
(c) differ from the food which it is intended to replace to such
an extent that its normal consumption would be nutritionally
disadvantageous for the consumer.
2. No person shall place on the market a GMO for food use
or food referred to in Article 3(1) unless it is covered by an
authorisation granted in accordance with this Section and the
relevant conditions of the authorisation are satisfied.
3. No GMO for food use or food referred to in Article 3(1)
shall be authorised unless the applicant for such authorisation
has adequately and sufficiently demonstrated that it satisfies the
requirements of paragraph 1 of this Article.
so I fail to see what the fuss is all about. People want it 'testing'. The law requires that it is 'tested' and the WHO passes it after the requirements are met ( and it does not pass a lot ) so it appears that people are arguing for a situation that already exists. Granted there will always be a group that oppose change for the sake of needing some cause to justify their petty existence but these can, and should, be mostly ignored.
(There is international law on this. It differs slightly in some areas but EU law states that.
Article 4
Requirements
1. Food referred to in Article 3(1) must not:
(a) have adverse effects on human health, animal health or the
environment;
(b) mislead the consumer;
(c) differ from the food which it is intended to replace to such
an extent that its normal consumption would be nutritionally
disadvantageous for the consumer.
2. No person shall place on the market a GMO for food use
or food referred to in Article 3(1) unless it is covered by an
authorisation granted in accordance with this Section and the
relevant conditions of the authorisation are satisfied.
3. No GMO for food use or food referred to in Article 3(1)
shall be authorised unless the applicant for such authorisation
has adequately and sufficiently demonstrated that it satisfies the
requirements of paragraph 1 of this Article.
so I fail to see what the fuss is all about. People want it 'testing'. The law requires that it is 'tested' and the WHO passes it after the requirements are met ( and it does not pass a lot ) so it appears that people are arguing for a situation that already exists. Granted there will always be a group that oppose change for the sake of needing some cause to justify their petty existence but these can, and should, be mostly ignored.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:48,
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The problem there is that people DO NOT ignore the (largely) unfounded oppositionand unfortunately the opposition are capable of making persuading arguments to people who cannot understand the facts for themselves, or for some reason, including laziness, refuse to find out the learned opinion on the matter. What's worse is, there is an awful lot of these thick/lazy people.
(,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 14:05,
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This is why I argue.I have no wish to upset people or fall out with them I just have an innate need to challenge people when they use sweeping generalisation and misinformation to back up their claims. I just want to say "let's look at what you are saying and then let us look at what we actually know on the subject as opposed to what we would like to believe".
I think that's fair and I often enjoy the debate. It's a shame some people see it as some kind of attack when it never is.
(I think that's fair and I often enjoy the debate. It's a shame some people see it as some kind of attack when it never is.
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 14:09,
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i shall sleep safely nowfor what it's worth i tend to agree with you.
my only concern with gm crops is the modified sterility of the seed, but i guess the guys have got to fund their research/holidays somehow
(my only concern with gm crops is the modified sterility of the seed, but i guess the guys have got to fund their research/holidays somehow
god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:41,
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hahawell cynicked that man ;)
( Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:43,
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well that's lunch sorted prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:47,
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Pfft!nicely put, sir
( J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:47,
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Double Whopper Cheese, no tomatoportion of onion rings, and a sprite, please.
( J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:48,
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Last night I had a 'bacon double cheeseburger pizza' from Asda.It was very lovely.
( RiffRaff lurking like a lurky thing,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:49,
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*runs out the door to find the nearest Asda**Decides to go to Gourmet Burger Kitchen instead*
( J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:51,
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mmmmwe have a gourmet burger place here in Wells, but I have yet to sample its delights.
( RiffRaff lurking like a lurky thing,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:53,
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The garlic mayonnaise they do is the the feckin' business,,,, J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:55,
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Well that's my plans for lunch today sorted.I'll pre-book an appointment at the heart clinic for later this afternoon.
( RiffRaff lurking like a lurky thing,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:56,
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Why not combine the two?(
J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:01,
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oooh, yummie nurses!*daydreams*
( RiffRaff lurking like a lurky thing,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:29,
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Oh noesProtect me from the Genes, Aspartame and MSG...
( Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:50,
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ShockerConsuming MSG makes you around 48% more likely to be overweight...
( Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:53,
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WellNo shit, it makes food more tasty making it far more likely you will eat more.
( Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:54,
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I've cooked with MSGfor about 20 years. Would not be without it in the kitchen.
The fact that I'm a fat cunt would probably be more likely a result of the 8 pints of beer a day I tend to consume ;).
(The fact that I'm a fat cunt would probably be more likely a result of the 8 pints of beer a day I tend to consume ;).
Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:55,
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Aspartame has been widely used for 35 yearsWhere is the proof it causes problems
( Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:56,
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It's lethal you idiotI saw 20 people drop dead in Tesco yesterday after drinking sugar free cola!
( Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:56,
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That's nothingI once ate GM soya and now I have a second arse!
( Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:00,
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They should have bought it before drinking itOr at least know where the Tesco anti-shoplifting sniper nest is located.
( Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:06,
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I'm allergic to Aspartame...But that's just a good excuse to drink full-fat soda, rather than the diet crap.
( J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:00,
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Don't forget the fluorideI once found that there's fluoride in my toothpaste. I immediately set fire to my bathroom and ran around screaming "burn the witch"...
( Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:59,
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Nicely done.But please don't throw your propaganda at me. Cheers.
(
Mu Dinofiddler,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 12:57,
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wowyou managed to produce all this merchandise quick:
shop.cafepress.com/design/17761254
have a:
(shop.cafepress.com/design/17761254
have a:
hekim 66 ɐʇƐ𐐒 ʞɔnℲ uooW,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:02,
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Oh, good detective skills, sir J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:05,
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think i saw it in astock photo library years ago now ;)
( hekim 66 ɐʇƐ𐐒 ʞɔnℲ uooW,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:07,
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Also, I rather like your failcat:)
( J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:09,
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Not this argument again...It was determined that he is the artist. Has his own site full of stuff. He's now posting it here for our entertainment.
Ask Pasanonic.
(Ask Pasanonic.
Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:09,
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For our intertainment?!:OHow dare he! We'll have none of this new fangled la di da entertainment round here!
( riverghost servicing your mum since,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:12,
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he probably made it a while ago. It's not a repost, it's probably his own image.what's wrong with that?
Do images have a used by date now?
(,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:10,
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Do images have a used by date now?
Well he either made itor has been posting someone else's work on a regular basis.
( riverghost servicing your mum since,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:10,
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my apologiesto him IF he made it. it's a compliment to him that it's an image i remember from a few years ago ;)
( hekim 66 ɐʇƐ𐐒 ʞɔnℲ uooW,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:15,
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I had a Black Pudding burgeryesterday. You don't see that in Burger King.
(
Smallbrainfield,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:04,
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I went to burgerking for the first time in 20 years about two weeks backas I was starving, there was nothing in the house and it was the only place open. I played it safe and went for just a veggie burger and fries. I always eat healthily and I'm always very concious of where my food is sourced from.
As a result my body couldn't handle it. I puked the lot up within five minutes.
(As a result my body couldn't handle it. I puked the lot up within five minutes.
riverghost servicing your mum since,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:14,
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Well, in that caseavoid the one at Euston Station whatever you do.
Salmonella Central, that place.
(Salmonella Central, that place.
J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:28,
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There was vegetarian black pudding on the tellyyesterday. Now that's just plain wrong.
( Smallbrainfield,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:38,
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Oh god, not this rubbish againIn both senses
( sicanjal YOUR ALL NOT PLEBS,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:23,
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HAHAHAHA. . . whicheverway it's looked at---it's BRILLIANT ART *artlover*
(
Elvis impersonator,
Mon 9 Feb 2009, 13:35,
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