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# Needs 100% more kittens - however it illustrates a point


Though these words are regularly attributed to Voltaire, they were first used by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, writing under the pseudonym of Stephen G Tallentyre in The Friends of Voltaire (1906), as a summation of Voltaire's beliefs on freedom of thought and expression.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:00, archived)
# not a very good point though.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:01, archived)
# Well I believe in freedom of speech as a universal commodity for all
but the point is some people don't.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:03, archived)
# I think the reason why this is such a tricky subject
is that I don't think freedom of speech IS a universal right.

For example, carried to its conclusion, I don't think anyone would agree with a banner being marched under which read "Kill All N*****s"

The problem is being able to find the balance between what is someone's right to express and what is wrong, usually involving the word "offence" which is a very woolly word, I think.
(I helped save b3ta! Prequal This is serious business. Very serious., Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:13, archived)
# Words can never kill only actions based on words
so in some respect if you dissect words from actions you can express Freedom of Speech as a Universal commodity - However we all know actions and words are not so easily seperated and Dialectics is often diverted from the pursuit of the truth to the perversion of the truth via propaganda.

/discuss
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:17, archived)
# okay, in that context, it's not such a good phrase
(polished turd 404 pixels wide, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:01, archived)
# except that trying to silence the Nazi's back then
would have achieved nothing, and would most likely have played into their hands.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:03, archived)
# You're missing the point
this isn't about silencing the Nazi or the BNP - it's about them silencing us.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:06, archived)
# and I would fight that too.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:52, archived)
# deathlols
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:03, archived)
# It's a tricky one - I certainly
wouldn't defend a Nazi's right to do whatever they like, including inciting racial hatred.
But their right to say anything? I could gag them and prevent them from expressing a viewpoint, but...that's what Nazis do, isn't it?

edit: ah, I see that's what you are, in fact, saying...
(I helped save b3ta! enceladus, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:06, archived)
# Precisely which is what I'm trying to express
we allow all the Freedom of Speech, the Fascist use it as way to bind us in our own morality. Yes it's always a tricky thing where do you draw a line before they do?
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:09, archived)
#
www.b3ta.com/board/9756086
(polished turd 404 pixels wide, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:11, archived)
# I think if I could have a pet, I would have a parrot or a cat
What do you reckon?
(I helped save b3ta! The Coast Of Yemen, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:07, archived)
# You should get an Okapi.
Top pet.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:09, archived)
# What's that then?
My, er, google is broken.
(I helped save b3ta! The Coast Of Yemen, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:10, archived)
# one of these:


Also:what do you mean, your Google is broken....?

;-)
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:13, archived)
# That's a lovely thing
looks like a zebra/deer hybrid
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:14, archived)
# You wouldn't want it in your house though
's got hooves and everything
(I helped save b3ta! The Coast Of Yemen, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:14, archived)
# hardwood floors would take quite a beating, you're right.
thick carpet, perhaps?
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:17, archived)
# Shag?
(I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:26, archived)
# Kind offer, but I'll pass on this occasion
bet you weren't expecting that, eh?

;-)
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:29, archived)
# I'll set 'em up, you knock 'em down ;o)
(I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:30, archived)
# :D
Eyethankyow...
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:33, archived)
# He's/she's lovely
(I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:15, archived)
# Fennec foxes are all of the win
Or chinchillas
(I helped save b3ta! Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:12, archived)
# Both. And buy a video camera and let Harry Hill pay you for what ensues.
Sure fire profit.
(I helped save b3ta! Prequal This is serious business. Very serious., Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:09, archived)
# Whatever you think makes a good pet.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:10, archived)
# Parrots, even captive bred ones
promote trade in rare species.

But cats shit everywhere.

(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:12, archived)
# Swings and roundabouts, eh?
(I helped save b3ta! The Coast Of Yemen, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:14, archived)
# yeah, one man's poison...

(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:15, archived)
# Easy
A pair of Sugar Gliders
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# Sounds like a particular type of prostitute

(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:16, archived)
# or
cadbury's have ventured into the murky waters of the lubrication market?
(Suomi_Finland_Perkele knocking 256 shades of shit out of your screen on, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:23, archived)
# A little harsh, perhaps.
But I take your point; it's a very good one.

I go with Voltaire on: "The public is a ferocious beast: one must chain it up or flee from it."
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:09, archived)
# That's a true Voltaire quote and infinitely more true.
I wonder what Voltaire would have thought to the above quote being attributed to him.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:11, archived)
# As far as I recall, it was someone trying to precis him,
and missing the point a little.

It's like the generally cited 'All property is theft' - Proudhon (sp?) didn't mean what it's generally trotted out to mean thesedays. Such is the way of these things.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:16, archived)
# this is an interesting page
I just came across it the other day

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations
(I helped save b3ta! Prequal This is serious business. Very serious., Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:17, archived)
# Ah, the great Bill Shankly quote (or rather mis-quote) is on there!
Top page, thanks.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:20, archived)
# *doffs invisible cap*
(I helped save b3ta! Prequal This is serious business. Very serious., Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:47, archived)
# The closest thing Voltaire said to it was
"Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too"
(I helped save b3ta! Prequal This is serious business. Very serious., Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:16, archived)
# That and
"Man who goes to bed with itchy bum wakes up with smelly finger".

Wait - no, that wasn't him.
(I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:18, archived)
# Hahahaha...
:)
(I helped save b3ta! Ninj, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:12, archived)
# rotten.comlols
(I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:15, archived)
# Defending the right to speak is not the same as defending the action
There is no contradiction in defending someones right to spout filth
and at the same time resisting and preventing any attempt they make at
committing the despicable acts they want to do.
Silencing the opposition is one such despicable act that the Nazis and
the like usually want to do.

If you silence someone to promote your view; you can't complain when
someone silences you to promote their view.
/opinions on the internets
(I helped save b3ta! Letum Your Ad here £2.40, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:22, archived)
# Precisely my point - see above
Freedom of Truth is an absolute - Freedom of Speech is part of Dialectics - seeking the truth via discussion and debate.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:34, archived)