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This is a normal post This in bucket loads.
Both sides of the argument are just patronising the electorate with stupid emotive bollocks and there is no impartial media putting forward a balanced set of pros and cons and holding the government to account.

I'll be voting out, not because of some stupid flag waving patriotism, but because there is something fundamentally undemocratic about the EU. I don't buy the economic scare mongering... the EU favours big business who benefit from an endless pool of cheap labour which suppresses wages at the low end... just as there has been no trickle down of the economic recovery to low earners, there won't be a trickle down of the impact of Brexit. GDP will fall, sure, but it will hit the kind of people that earn millions and the corporations that are dodging tax anyway.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 16 May 2016, 12:19, Reply)
This is a normal post The vid focusses primarily on the undemocratic nature of the EU
and that over-regulation stifles growth.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 16 May 2016, 12:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Yagotabekidding?
I've done projects all over Europe, and the most over regulated place - by far - was England.
On some job sites, you can't go take a crap without filling out a form.
This is not the EU fault, you lot are either shit at making up your rules or at implementing EU rules.
ANd the worse part, is that most of this yellow jacket madness is to give an appearance of safety protect arses/assign blame rather than actual Safety.
Even Luxembourg is less overbearing and focused on actual safety (unprotected blades, wires etc) than high viz bullshit/paperwork.

The UK was a regulation/industrial nightmare before your Gvt downed the blue with yellow sparkles pill.

It seems that every British Gvt since WW2 is hell bent at shafting the manufacturing and industrial economy for the benefit of their City pals.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 16 May 2016, 12:49, Reply)
This is a normal post I agree with your last sentence
but we have massive regulation imposed by the EU in everything we do. It's one thing to have your own elected government making laws, but something else when a faceless bureaucrat in Brussels decides we can't have bent bananas or Prawn Cocktail flavour crisps.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 16 May 2016, 12:54, Reply)
This is a normal post I've worked in the most regulated places
Where test runs of regs are done before being passed to the EU commissions.* for the rest of us.
But theses rules become inane paper stamping, no work permitted, high viz bullcrap in the UK!
Why does it take me 5 to 30 minutes to allow an extra worker on a site in France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Holland or Germany... Yet for the same security clearance half a day to a day (if at all) in the UK?
"Oh, it's the EU fault and their overbearing regulations."

Yeah whatever.

In the UK I've had conversation with site officials that go:
- "This is Ed, he replaces Bob".
- "Ed is not on the allowed list you submitted 6 months ago".
- "Bob died/was fired/became a Jesus freak last week, we faxed all the details of Bob and Ed to your head offices, Ed has all the original copies of his permits and here is a paper assigning all responsibility to me and my firm".
- "Ed is not on my list".
- "Call your boss"
- "No".
- "Why?"
- "Ed is not on my list".
etc.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:04, Reply)
This is a normal post One big fault of the British is we follow rules.
The French, par exemple, are much more militant and laissez-faire - if they don't like it they strike en masse or set fire to a lorry load of lamb.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:14, Reply)
This is a normal post Not on proper job sites.
Safety inspections on the mainland are far more about going round the site looking for danger (that we could have missed) than getting behind a desk looking if the stamps are not overotated while having a cuppa with the office tart/hunk.

For example, security levels on UK offshore is shoddy (I would NEVER work there at ANY price) but require the most paper stamping of all the EU.
You lot are going to have another Piper Alpha and are going to blame the EU for it.

SO yeah, you follow rules, what about applying them?

This does not mean that it's all fine and good on the mainland.
There are massive problems, in France the CERFA notably, but that is also self inflicted and not the EU's fault.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Can't disagree with anything you've written there
I've no experience of off-shore platforms, but I've project managed construction sites and have seen a lot of hiding behind paperwork, jobsworth twats that basically want to cause disruption and maximise overtime payments, and just plain old idiots that believe H&S is up to someone else and not their responsibility "because there's a form for that" or "no one told me an angle grinder could be dangerous so it wasn't my fault".
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post I can't tell you where iun the UK
But one day we had an inspection of the labels on the High Viz jackets.
WTF?

In France, the inspector will check the grinder and ask the operator to show him how it works. If it is dangerous/he does not, then the paperworks starts.
The big problem on the mainland is that we often have different agencies checking the same thing, on different days.
For example, the width of the passages is checked by safety commission, firefighters and the legless dude on a wheelchair.
And that is linked to different agencies not talking to each other.
Another problem is getting to the starting point, it takes forever, but once the job starts, better/safer/faster in France!
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:46, Reply)
This is a normal post That's because Hi Viz jackets have to conform to EU regulations!

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 16 May 2016, 14:10, Reply)
This is a normal post But the only place in the EU to inspect this
is the UK!

Now that you lot are not on Poppers 24/7/365 any more, I hope this gets cleared up.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 16 May 2016, 14:15, Reply)
This is a normal post I've got some builders in renovating my office.
Quite extensive work. Walls knocked down, floors ripped up, dusty and shit everywhere. There's not a single hi viz, hard hat or dust mask in sight. I bet they all vote out too.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Tue 17 May 2016, 7:34, Reply)
This is a normal post When I was project managing
I would make my staff wear glove, mask etc - but with a common sense approach - use stuff when needed. Another thing is having good PSE, nice grippy flexible glove are going to be worn much more than the 1£ for 5 pairs cotton and fake leather jobbies.
But PSE's are just the final line of protection, doing things safe should be "just the way stuff is done", not inane rule checking.
You put a guard rail up because you don't want one of your mates getting killed, going to his funeral and having awful pity sex with his ugly widow - not because of rules.
The work site being safe means cleaner and more organised, that means faster work, that means finishing bonuses.
safe = moneyyyyy.

In any case, I never had a single report against any of my job sites anywhere and only one injury (a carpenter decided to move freshly 45° cut alloy profiles with no gloves).
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Wed 18 May 2016, 9:06, Reply)
This is a normal post It's not the EU regs but the insurance company regs
If you don't have the correct Hi-vis the insurance is invalid and the company is liable.
The state of H&S in the UK is due to the demands of insurance companies and voracious lawyers.
 (emptyspace, Mon 16 May 2016, 19:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Doesn't the EU have rules against that?
:)
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 16 May 2016, 21:33, Reply)
This is a normal post A friend of mine does a lot of business around the world
and an Italian client said "I don't get it with the UK. You fight against things, and then follow them to the letter. In Italy, we agree to things and then just ignore them!"

Rightly or wrongly, followed with or without common sense, we're sticklers for a rulebook in this country. We codified most sports, for example.
 (I helped save b3ta! gingerfreak Why? Why not., Mon 16 May 2016, 21:49, Reply)
This is a normal post 68 people died working on building sites the year I started work
As its down into the 20's now, and it means a possible 600 people are now alive and working, I'm not going to complain too much about the extra safety laws.
 (I helped save b3ta! Skirite Gerrorf my larnd, Tue 17 May 2016, 7:26, Reply)
This is a normal post The rules usually arent bad
Implementation sometimes is.
I've never had a rule concerning safety or accessibility that I car argue with on the premise.

But concerning security rules, notably some of ISPS, is just lawyers have a group wank in an office with no windows.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Wed 18 May 2016, 9:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Subsequently modified to remove standards regarding shape & size
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No._2257/94

Basically: Bollocks mate.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:14, Reply)
This is a normal post Why were the standards there to start with?
And why did it take 15 years to remove them?
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Learn to search.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_%28EC%29_No._2257/94

And not to be pedantic, but the reg is far more about not being allowed to sell rotting, pest filled tiny bananas than their shape.
One has to interpret this with a pair of UKIP certified beer bottle bottoms to think that it bans curved bananas.

It took the EU 20 years to get that you lot were not joking about the bent banana ban.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:28, Reply)
This is a normal post The banana thing is a well-established myth, as it the Prawn Cocktail crisps

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Why are you bringing them up then?

(I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 16 May 2016, 16:58, Reply)
This is a normal post I thought they were sufficiently well known as euromyths that people may have got the joke.
Obviously I was mistaken.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 16 May 2016, 17:42, Reply)
This is a normal post You're up against Poe's Law here...

(I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 16 May 2016, 18:01, Reply)
This is a normal post True. I should have put a smiley face next to it.
:-)
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Mon 16 May 2016, 18:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, some of the in arguments baffle me...
"Without the EU we wouldn't have the working time directive, holiday pay..."

There is nothing to stop any party putting such policies in their manifesto and implementing them if elected. If we have to rely on the EU to impose laws on us that the majority would not vote for, that either means the EU is autocratic, our electorate is far too thick to work out what's good for them, or regardless of who you vote for in the UK they won't do a fucking thing to help you.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 16 May 2016, 13:05, Reply)
This is a normal post I think it's a combination of
our electorate is far too thick to work out what's good for them, *and* regardless of who you vote for in the UK they won't do a fucking thing to help you
 (spunkyD, Mon 16 May 2016, 15:10, Reply)
This is a normal post So in that scenario we should just completely do away without any kind of national representation and save ourselves a fortune.
Would be nice to see all those champagne socialists having to go and do some real work.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 16 May 2016, 15:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Here's a top tip
go to vote on Friday 24th after all those queues at the poll have died down.
 (I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Mon 16 May 2016, 13:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't you mean Poles at the queue?

(I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Mon 16 May 2016, 21:43, Reply)