The more I hear of these fuckwits, the more I'm convinced that the whole thing is a false flag op orchestrated by the oil companies to discredit climate activisim.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 9:35, Reply)
It's called protest.
Despite what we are all told, it's still your right to think that something is shit and to organise yourself to try and do something about it. Even if that something looks stupid and ineffective. Which it is.
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Octo I ruin everything., Fri 16 Jun 2023, 9:43,
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Not just shit and ineffective, but completely counterproductive. Which is my point.
(Besides the echo chamber these fuckwits live in),how many people are being exposed to these 'protests' and genuinely thinking "Fuck me, they're right. I'm going to completely shun any product that has required crude oil at any point whatsoever in either in its manufacture or shipping and live an exclusively oil-free lifestyle!" and how many people are thinking "These activists are fucking morons"?
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 9:57, Reply)
I suppose you could also choose indifference.
Unfortunately, that's not a quality I've been blessed with.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 10:09, Reply)
Bit ironic, mate.
At least I'm aware of my shortcomings. You only seem to be aware of other people's.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:14, Reply)
You must be fucking livid now that the new Little Mermaid film is out in the cinema.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:16, Reply)
Tony Hayers, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:34
"No, you."
Truly the pinnacle of your contributions to b3ta. Congrats.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:46, Reply)
What forms of climate activism do you think work?
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 9:51,
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I don't.
We aren't going to make a unified global push towards true 'carbon neutrality' until our hand is forced. It's far too convenient living the way we currently do. I reckon we're far more likely to adapt to the current climate than we are in trying to enact any major change in our consumption of fossil fuels. Especially considering that crude oil is vital in the manufacture of just about every single mass-produced item on the planet.
How do we 'stop oil' exactly, when it involves completely overhauling the petrochemical industry and coming up with completely new methods of producing the vital medicines, composite materials and electronic components that we utterly rely on to continue existing as a species?
And more importantly, how exactly are these JSO fuckwits helping matters?
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 10:07, Reply)
Perhaps
Just Reduce Our Reliance On Oil And Invest More In Renewable Energy isn't as snappy a name.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:02,
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Use Less Oil
Reduce Oil Reliance?
Seek Alternatives?
Let's be honest, Just Stop Oil is a shit name.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:05, Reply)
Your suggestions are worse, to be fair.
No urgency to them.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:11,
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Less urgency, but significantly more realistic objectives.
Not that it matters, though. I don't imagine that the majority of people supporting the JSO movement have really considered the implications. May as well call it 'Just Stop Cars', or 'Just Stop Chimneys'. Would likely be a more accurate representation of their objectives.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:22, Reply)
No one complains about
the lack of clarity in "Stop The Boats", though. Funny that.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:32,
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I suspect the halfwits yelling 'Stop The Boats' have probably put about as much thought into the practicality of the endeavour as the halfwits that shout 'Just Stop Oil', no?
Plus, the people trying to stop the boat crossings haven't yet felt the apparent need to glue themselves to the M6 or flounce about on Snooker Tables. I suspect the majority of the complaints are in response to that behaviour, and not the questionable nomenclature of their organisation.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 12:02, Reply)
No one complaining is suggesting what they should do instead, though.
An online petition? Embrace denialism? Crypto and AI?
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 12:26,
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In all seriousness, they need to adopt a *far* more moderate stance
A militant/disruptive approach isn't going to attract people with good faith in the cause. It's simply going to attract people that are excited about being militant and disruptive.
We're living in an era where literally anybody can go online and preach about whatever cause or message they like. The key is attracting the right audience (in this case, people who perhaps don't live as environmentally responsibly as they could).
When these JSO twats show up and cause a scene, what exactly is the message? Who is watching that shit and thinking "Fuck, I better sell my grotesquely oversized 4x4 and purchase something more appropriate?". These kinds of scenes certainly aren't going to spur the government into action - unless the action is limiting powers of protest even further than they have already.
Extol the virtues of cleaner, greener living. Make a case for the change not only being positive for the wider environment, but attractive on an individual level. You're never going to change the world, but if you can win two people over, and they do the same, you've already started a far better change than gluing yourself to the local motorway ever would. People are selfish, and are far more likely to be receptive to how taking action might benefit them in the short-term rather than how it might benefit the planet in the long-term. Who's installing heat pumps and solar panels primarily because it's good for the environment, and who's doing it primarily because it's good for their wallet?
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 13:02, Reply)
There's no time for that slow approach, though, is there?
Everyone already knows green living would be better, but we've missed lots of opportunities due to oil's PR $$$ and leaders who don't give a fuck.
I assume part of their aim is to simply try and make people sense their panic. Can't see it working, but I've a lot of sympathy for them.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 14:03,
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People have been doing exactly that for my entire life
As any parent knows, there comes a time when you have to stop asking and start demanding.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 14:10,
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Oil's made of dinosaurs, isn't it?
They should call themselves the Dinosaur Protection League. People love dinosaurs.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:26, Reply)
I don't, the fucking tiny-brained egg-laying, extinct reptilian CUNTS.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:35, Reply)
No. It's made of plants and trees, usually from the Carboniferous era - long before the Dinosaurs.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 13:13,
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And before fungi capable of breaking down cellulose had evolved.
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Varmint, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 15:45,
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Yeah, it does rather imply it would be simple, doesn't it.
Certainly an own-goal when it comes to getting their message across.
(, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:12, Reply)
They're going to turn up at Lords and Wimbledon aren't they?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 9:53,
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You're an idiot, Swagatha.
I mean that in the most helpful and productive possible way.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 15:46,
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It's obvious why you oppose this lot and why you propose doing nothing to stop the collapse of the ecosystem,
because you are a stupid selfish cunt. I hope you die soon.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 16:10,
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Our planet can't support idiots like you any longer.
JSO don't go nearly far enough.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 18:03,
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You're an idiot.
You should have some passion for life. That is, all the known life in the entire universe is about to die and you want to do nothing. You want to vilify people who want to do something, anything, to try and prevent it.
Scum, scum, scum. You, and everyone remotely like you, all need to go.
I sincerely hope you die in the next 30 seconds.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 20:33,
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Worse than a greedy avocado farmer
with shares in Shell.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Fri 16 Jun 2023, 23:25,
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Imagine getting this upset over somebody else's opinions on the internet.
You should maybe take a wee break before you end up going full Sockcooker, pal. How's your blood pressure?
(, Sat 17 Jun 2023, 6:34, Reply)
Imagine hating your own planet and arguing in favour of ending all life because you are a stupid cunt.
Let's go through your dumb list, shall we?
1: n/a
2: n/a
3: n/a
4: nope
5: nope
6: n/a
7: lol no
8: n/a
9: lol no
10: nope
11: nope.
I am not now, nor have I ever been a user of social media.
You think I'm angry, I'm not. I want you and everyone like you to either die, or fuck off to your own planet which you can mistreat to your heart's content. You mistake that for anger because you are a stupid cunt.
Our planet can't support stupid cunts like you any longer. You need to go now.
JSO are not radical enough. The crisis being what it is, we need direct action against those actively destroying the ecosystem. Scum like you are enablers for the enemies of planet Earth.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Sat 17 Jun 2023, 13:57,
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It's a newsletter with a couple of message boards attached. It's barely a forum.
You are such a stupid cunt, really it's embarrassing to be vaguely associated with you. You should fuck off.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Sat 17 Jun 2023, 14:42,
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B3ta is social media, mate.
Soz.
Also, starting to feel a bit concerned for you, mate. Here's a link that might help:
mentalhealth-uk.org/blog/what-is-climate-anxiety-and-what-can-you-do-about-it/
(, Sat 17 Jun 2023, 14:50, Reply)
It's a newsletter with a couple of message boards attached. It's barely a forum.
You are such a stupid cunt, really it's embarrassing to be vaguely associated with you. You should fuck off.
Also:
You're not my mate, you're my enemy. Mortal enemy, as it turns out, because you want me and all other life on Earth to die.
You should fuck off.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Sat 17 Jun 2023, 14:53,
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"It's barely a forum."
:(
I remember when we were a puerile digital arts community.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 18 Jun 2023, 10:58,
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The Internet
is responsible for 4% of global CO2 emissions. That's a lot.
Anyone sincere about reducing global CO2 emissions would not use it. They especially would not use it for frivolous purposes like, for example, a newsletter with a couple of message boards attached which is barely a forum. Anyone who complains on a newsletter with a couple of message boards attached which is barely a forum about global CO2 emissions is, at least partly, a hypocrite.
Not calling out anyone specific, examine your own opinions and actions and judge yourself accordingly.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sun 18 Jun 2023, 15:06,
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You made me look that up you funny bastard.
Are you referring to this? www.bbc.com/future/article/20200305-why-your-internet-habits-are-not-as-clean-as-you-think
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Sun 18 Jun 2023, 20:17,
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doesn't matter
do you think using the internet uses no energy? The exact percentage is meaningless, the source of the exact percentage is equally meaningless. using the internet to moan about CO2 burden is hypocritical because it adds.to excess CO2 in the atmosphere. The smaller the audience, the worse the hypocrisy.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sun 18 Jun 2023, 23:55,
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Got it, so you just made it up.
It's been lovely arguing with you. Better luck next time.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Mon 19 Jun 2023, 14:25,
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I didn't make it up, and it's also true
but your conversational tone is so confrontational that I feel no urge to provide you with anything you could look up yourself. I note you found something from the BBC to back up my claims. Personally, I refuse to engage in conversation that devolves into trollish behaviour like endless citation requests.
The simple fact that you're calling this an argument tells me everything I need to know. I would be genuinely surprised to discover that you had any friends in the real world.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Jun 2023, 16:55,
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Finally someone's brave enough to put a stop to the Glyndebourne Opera
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 19 Jun 2023, 1:53,
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