How to Stump Anti-Abortionists With One Question
I'm not a campaigner and I'm not trying to preach, but this is very interesting/funny. From here.
"Did you know you can stump anti-abortionists with one simple question?
Just ask them this: If abortion was illegal, what should be done with the women who have illegal abortions?
Now watch their faces as the cognitive dissonance sets in. They believe abortion to be murder. Murder deserves severe punishment. Thus, women who have illegal abortions should receive severe punishment — like life in prison or the death penalty. That’s the logical conclusion.
But they can’t accept this conclusion. They know it’s absurd and unfair — which means they know abortion is not really murder.
Here’s a video of anti-abortion protesters being asked this question:"
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thiswasmyclone, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 16:46,
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Ha ha!
The correct answer of course (from their point of view and so as not to corrupt their moral integrity) is that the women shouldn't be punished, but the person performing the illegal operation should.
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Mr Gear the gay-maker, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 16:52,
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Quite.
... which leads to the argument that outlawing it would drive it underground.
So, even though I'm fairly firmly anti-abortion, I think it's probably best to keep it legal but to deal more with the issues that lead to unwanted pregnancies, as well as offering more support to those who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy.
But then, my opinions aren't firm enough to stand at the side of the road and shout about it...
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teedyay, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 17:34,
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as long as your soluition to unwanted pregnancies is
[edit: NOT] "let's just tell the kids that they shouldn't ever have sex" and leave it at that.
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but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all foreskin of the apocalypse, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 18:53,
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wouldn't that make the person performing the operation
the equivalent of a hitman?
so they probably should be punished, for getting someone else to kill their child. by that logic.
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Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 19:03,
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damn and blast!
and there was me debating abortion with a conservative republican merely hours ago!
still, have a click for an interesting video
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admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 17:02,
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Nice
this just proves that they don't actually believe what they preach. It's an individual moral issue not a political one.
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I think it's a bit of a trick question, honestly.
Most of them preach that the *doctors* should be punished.
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Digeridude Lord Wellington's Beef Trapeze, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 17:54,
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But that's a stupid argument too
the doctors aren't forcing anyone to have an abortion, they're merely providing a service for those that want it.
I supposed you could call abortion 'murder by proxy' then
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pixel_fucker is going to need a bigger brush, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 18:16,
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compare this to dealing drugs
the dealers aren't forcing anyone to take drugs, they're merely providing a service for those that want it - illegally
Make abortion illegal and you have the same situation.
for the record i'm pro-choice
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mm but then..
.. you could argue that people who sell drugs are only providing a service as well.
Either way, I think it would be impossible to make abortion illegal because it would cause more moral delimmas that it would it fix.
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a username Tue 30 Mar 1971 til, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 19:34,
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Like a hitman...
Seriously though, if you pay someone to kill someone, you AND the person who committed the crime both get done.
So if they believe abortion is murder, then the doctor AND the woman should get sent down
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Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 22 Jan 2009, 8:43,
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brilliant
"pray for them" hahahaha... i love the way they have never thought about the woman in all of this, only the aborted foetus.
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Avast is still alive!!!!, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 19:56,
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I don't get it.
Surely that *subset* of the vox popped protesters were just put on the spot and not been prepared. Surely most others would have had plenty of comprehensive and instant responses.
That would not have got the impact of course...
I also don't understand the base argument as to why they *can't* say they should go to prison. These individuals just didn't suggest it, not that there's a massive issue preventing them saying it.
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RocketSurgeon is pretending he's still young, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 22:48,
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Very interesting.
I like things like this, it helps me decide where I stand on issues that don't directly affect me. It was the same with the UK fox hunting debate.
Whichever side resorts fastest to the following retorts loses:
"It just is"
"You'd have to ask Fred that, he knows the details"
"The Bible says so"
"I'm not a lawyer"
"If you had seen what I have seen..."
"I know in my heart"
"This government has a history of...etc"
"Electrofrog!"*
*Red Herring: I'd go with this person
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 23:31,
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You forgot the most common one
"Tch, whatever."
Usually accompanied by eye-rolling.
Always gets my bloodlust up in any debate.
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Spunk Murphy Tchaikovsky is a synonym for fanny, apparently, Thu 22 Jan 2009, 3:45,
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i want some of those giant abortion pictures.
they'd be great printed out on sticky paper and put up inside the fridge.
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postbear has metal knees, Wed 21 Jan 2009, 23:59,
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"I haven't really thought about it."
"But you've been doing this for 2 years..."
Yeah.
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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 22 Jan 2009, 0:11,
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STOP!
MAKING!
ME!
THINK!
thats epic, i'm going to try this
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Tom OBedlam I have control of a tank, Thu 22 Jan 2009, 1:03,
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I think
"I'm not a lawyer" was my favourite response
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Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 22 Jan 2009, 8:43,
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