MP stabbed and shot in Yorkshire
Breaking.
Looks pretty grim.
( , Thu 16 Jun 2016, 14:05, Share, Reply)
Breaking.
Looks pretty grim.
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Plenty of places online that support shitbag viewpoints unfortunately; yet I don't see any conservatives denouncing this as "not real conservatism".
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current reports saying the elderly attacker shouted "Britain First" before hooting her
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the thing I read said in his 60s, and "elderly"
maybe he looks old for his age
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maybe he looks old for his age
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No, he actually said "Britten fists" - a reference to the allegations about the senior tory ex-MP.
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So the best way to "put britain first" is to shoot British people!?
Can we vote to make everyone campaigning for either side leave instead?
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Can we vote to make everyone campaigning for either side leave instead?
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It's all speculation and rumour at the moment
I'm sure things will be clearer in the evening.
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I'm sure things will be clearer in the evening.
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I hope we can tar all Britain First types with the same brush and blame them for this terrible event.
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Prufrock is conspicuous by his absence
It didn't have to be like this!
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It didn't have to be like this!
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Lot of haters on her Twitter feed when she tweeted a picture of her with 2 kids and husband on a RIB counter protesting Farage's mob on the Thames.
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Don't know how that is responsive, but often people of opposing political views debate each other
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If that was the motivation then hopefuly* someone has organised police protection for Geldof
www.theguardian.com/world/lostinshowbiz/2016/jun/16/someone-landlock-bob-geldof-hes-ed-stoned-the-referendum
*Grudgingly
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www.theguardian.com/world/lostinshowbiz/2016/jun/16/someone-landlock-bob-geldof-hes-ed-stoned-the-referendum
*Grudgingly
( , Thu 16 Jun 2016, 18:47, Share, Reply)
Died.... crap.
I think both sides need to calm things down before more of this happens.
Heats been turned up way too high.
If we're in we're not going to forced to give up our spare rooms to house benifit scrounging Romanians and if we're out it's not going to be WW3 with everyone out of work.
Either way it'll be bit different and a lot the same.
( , Thu 16 Jun 2016, 17:38, Share, Reply)
I think both sides need to calm things down before more of this happens.
Heats been turned up way too high.
If we're in we're not going to forced to give up our spare rooms to house benifit scrounging Romanians and if we're out it's not going to be WW3 with everyone out of work.
Either way it'll be bit different and a lot the same.
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Problem is, people have a right to have opinions. Using violence to silence one side or the other never works.
When that mob of people chased, cornered and assaulted a woman who supported Trump, people did not use that as a reason to stop opposing him. I suspect this will have a similar non-effect.
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When that mob of people chased, cornered and assaulted a woman who supported Trump, people did not use that as a reason to stop opposing him. I suspect this will have a similar non-effect.
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As depressing as being pelted with eggs is; I wouldn't compared to being murdered.
If this is what you're talking about:
theamericanmirror.com/video-agitators-pelt-female-trump-supporter-eggs-bottles/
...sorry; I just think it's important to keep perspective on the gravity of actual murder.
[edit: and if you look at the comments section to that link; the very second comment endorses gun violence against the left. That's the point; hatred is grown within these far-right conservative subcultures]
( , Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:08, Share, Reply)
If this is what you're talking about:
theamericanmirror.com/video-agitators-pelt-female-trump-supporter-eggs-bottles/
...sorry; I just think it's important to keep perspective on the gravity of actual murder.
[edit: and if you look at the comments section to that link; the very second comment endorses gun violence against the left. That's the point; hatred is grown within these far-right conservative subcultures]
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Well it seems to have worked well for Europe.
Or would you rather live in a sectarian hellhole like Syria? They could have done with a little more nationalism.
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Or would you rather live in a sectarian hellhole like Syria? They could have done with a little more nationalism.
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The mayor of London is having a "Remain" rally, so you could get up close. Unless, you're a woman, then you have to stand in the back.
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Sorry?
You were implying nationalism is bad and I suggested it was good.
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You were implying nationalism is bad and I suggested it was good.
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Nationalism isn't great
When it's for a bunch of silly reasons that people can't admit or see clearly like race and fear of seeming racist and becoming a racial reactionary extremist instead as appears the case here.
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When it's for a bunch of silly reasons that people can't admit or see clearly like race and fear of seeming racist and becoming a racial reactionary extremist instead as appears the case here.
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Apparently the guy was Schizophrenic.
So more of a horrible and completely avoidable accident rather than some mindless violent killing out of genuine hatred or spite.
( , Thu 16 Jun 2016, 21:12, Share, Reply)
So more of a horrible and completely avoidable accident rather than some mindless violent killing out of genuine hatred or spite.
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I probably suspect a dreadful nutter attack who had some issue with the MP over who knows what
Is not the first time MPs or their staff have been attacked by people with mental health issues. Terrible news regardless. Time for calm.
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Is not the first time MPs or their staff have been attacked by people with mental health issues. Terrible news regardless. Time for calm.
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Another shining example of NHS cuts and care in the community.
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As a Schizophrenic I find your viewpoint insulting, and overly simplistic.
All individuals are informed by the culture around them; and online gravitate towards cultures and cultural groups they feel agreement and a sense of identity with.
That is the nature of this kind of extremism. The "lone nutter" explanation is generally looked down on as an insufficient explanation - and I think that's the case here.
Hatred is never without a context, it is grown in a culture. Changing our viewpoints and explanations can help curb and understand events like this - even if we can't understand the people who do this sort of thing.
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All individuals are informed by the culture around them; and online gravitate towards cultures and cultural groups they feel agreement and a sense of identity with.
That is the nature of this kind of extremism. The "lone nutter" explanation is generally looked down on as an insufficient explanation - and I think that's the case here.
Hatred is never without a context, it is grown in a culture. Changing our viewpoints and explanations can help curb and understand events like this - even if we can't understand the people who do this sort of thing.
( , Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:06, Share, Reply)
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not painting all schizophrenics as violent or aggressive individuals. But you're reaching a bit if you're trying to suggest that his schizophrenia had nothing to do with the attack. I'd hazard a guess that this particular individual's schizophrenia had very much to do with it.
( , Fri 17 Jun 2016, 11:07, Share, Reply)
I'm not painting all schizophrenics as violent or aggressive individuals. But you're reaching a bit if you're trying to suggest that his schizophrenia had nothing to do with the attack. I'd hazard a guess that this particular individual's schizophrenia had very much to do with it.
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I suppose;
we'll have to agree to disagree. That said; I wasn't worried about you painting schizophrenics as violent. I was worried about you painting them as not culpable for their own actions in all and any circumstances (a kind of "oh he's just a child in an adults body" viewpoint. That sort of view is only true under a certain set of conditions. At any rate; I think we all have a culpability to what sort of views with foster within our communities.
[edit: he apparently had long term connections to the far right community -https://leedsantifascists.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/statement-regarding-jo-cox/ ]
( , Sat 18 Jun 2016, 7:07, Share, Reply)
we'll have to agree to disagree. That said; I wasn't worried about you painting schizophrenics as violent. I was worried about you painting them as not culpable for their own actions in all and any circumstances (a kind of "oh he's just a child in an adults body" viewpoint. That sort of view is only true under a certain set of conditions. At any rate; I think we all have a culpability to what sort of views with foster within our communities.
[edit: he apparently had long term connections to the far right community -https://leedsantifascists.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/statement-regarding-jo-cox/ ]
( , Sat 18 Jun 2016, 7:07, Share, Reply)
Quite right
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/
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blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/
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