oh what,
I thought their little stunt was stupid enough as it was, now I find out they've got young kids as well.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:05,
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Emmeline Pankhurst just spun in her grave
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:34,
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I don't know how this has got to be about women's right to vote,
they chose to have kids, if you've got kids and you go out causing civil disturbances that get you thrown in prison, strikes me as a bit irresponsible.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:45,
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That would be Emmeline Pankhurst the mother of 5 and famous civil disobedience-er
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:26,
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Why thank you
I admit to having to google for the name but I knew there were some that had popped out sprogs and still had an opinion.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:19,
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and I'm supposed to change my mind now, because of this name?
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:36,
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you have a right to vote
because of that name...your position in society today is arguably a tribute to that "name" amongst others who shared her similar position of being a mother, and an active member of society.
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this may be true but nothing logically follows from it.
I don't owe this person any loyalty because of what I got out of it. So she was irresponsible as well, and she turned out to be on the winning side, well there you go.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:45,
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seriously?
you don't owe anything to the people who fought and often died for your freedom which you exercise?
do emancipated slaves not owe anything to the people who fought for their emancipation?
do i not owe anything to my grandfather who went to war on the front lines in germany and witnessed his friends dying, to contribute to a world which allows me to sit her typing this right now?
yes i do, and you are seriously, and sadly and disappointingly wrong.
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I don't owe loyalty.
I don't have to approve of everything anybody did just because I got something out of it in the end.
If I had been saved from hypothermia I wouldn't owe loyalty to the nazi scientists who threw prisoners into barrels of ice-water to see what would happen.
If someone neglected their responsibilities as a parent and risked arrest to get women the right to vote I don't have to approve of people neglecting their responsibilities to their children for the sake of some other political cause.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:53,
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and where with the nazis
i love a good nazi,
"I don't have to approve of everything anybody did just because I got something out of it in the end."
no you don't, but your argument is roughly, these women as mothers should not put their kids welfare in danger by protesting.
why is the children's welfare at danger if they protest? imagine living in that world...if they will take your children for protesting, what else will they do...is it not better to get the worlds media attention so such an atrocity sparks outrage?
is it the duty of a mother to bring her child into a world where they could be imprisoned or killed just for having a different "opinion"?
or is the correct thing to do, as a mother, or human being, to try to create the best possible world for all of us, our brothers, sisters, friends and children?
and to do that by making a big fuss...to get global attention, by taking a risk... aren't they trying to protect their children ultimately?
im bored of this now,
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I'll be honest I don't really know how bad the civil rights situation is in Russia at the moment,
I only wanted to point out that I can support someone's cause without approving of their methods.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:04,
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Oh it's not that bad
So long as you're not wanting free speech, challenge the political establishment, believe in an deity not approved by the state, be the wrong colour, have sex with people the same gender as you....
If you're silly enough to want any of that then it's pretty horrible.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:22,
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http://nplusonemag.com/pussy-riot-closing-statements
You should probably do some research first before spouting shit then.
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Chilli Heatwave ,shit, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 20:43,
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Maybe I should but I'm not just going to take their word for it,
I can read exactly this sort of paranoid rant on Infowars any day of the week and I take it with a pinch of salt. I need something of substance.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 21:16,
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That isn't 100% true...
The right to vote for women owed just as much to WW1 as it did to people chaining themselves to railings. It was then that women emerged from the home and drove buses, made all the munitions and basically did all the jobs that they were thought incapable of that made people think they might just have the sense to vote sensibly too.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 17:21,
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Well,
You implied the right to vote was a result of protest; I say it was more down to circumstances.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 11:23,
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yes but the actions which proved women where equal
backed up a concept which had been brought to the pubic attention through a series of protests and attention grabbing stunts.... the mouth opened first and then the body followed through on the promises...
so owing a debt of gratitude, or at least supporting the people who where involved in that process is the right thing to do, they where just as much a part of it, being the vocal genesis of it.
so my point still stands.
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^this
But with more facepalm.
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:49,
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wait.
what do you think I am actually saying here?
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:51,
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Is it a sign I've been reading B3ta.com too long
that I saw "spun" and immediately replaced it with "spunked"?
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Yep :)
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:04,
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Combined with the picture above your post
I just read that as "Emmeline Spankhurst".
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 19 Aug 2012, 18:15,
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This story annoys me
They would have known full well what they were doing and that by performing this stunt they could potentially get into a lot of trouble. Whilst I'm all for free pussy (fnar), these brought it upon themselves.
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:30,
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Not in the bum!
OWWWWW!
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:33,
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as protests go this wouldn't have caused much of a stir in any civilised country
blaming these people for the trouble they are in is like blaming protesters in dictatorships for getting themselves shot.
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mutated monty, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:53,
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I'm not saying their punishment is justified.
In fact I think it's deplorable. But I wouldn't go out and shit in a policemens helmet, because I know full well I'll be in trouble for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:56,
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you wouldn't steal a movie
edit: haha I hadn't seen that
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:57,
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you might if you lived in a country where policemen shat in your hat on a daily basis
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mutated monty, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:10,
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the other day a group of policemen came into my house
and started singing a song about how much they hate burglars.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:12,
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So being a bit of a nob in a church and saying you don't like the prime minisiter justifies jail and having your kids taken away? Can't say I agree, old chum.
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Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:14,
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not justifying the length of the sentence or anything,
but this is Russia, they should hardly have been surprised.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:17,
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so if you live in a country with a violent dictatorship...
you shouldn't do anything to fight against it, because they might kill you?
isn't that a sort of parasitic view of society...
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you take your risks, is all I'm saying,
and what they did wasn't merely protesting, as is their right in my opinion. What they did was a stunt.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:47,
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like chaining yourself to railings?
or throwing yourself under horses?
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yes,
like that. Very foolish things to do. Especially the latter.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:55,
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I don't think that's the point being made
more that they would have known of the potential consequences
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:49,
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most people who protest or seek radical change,
will know of potential consequences before they take a risk, thats what makes them so special... people like this that will say "bad shit could happen to me because of this, but i'm not willing to let it continue without making a stand"
fucking hell, when did "the man" castrate everyone?
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Sexist!
So it's only people with testicles who can be brave is it!
Seriously though, I think we're talking at crossed purposes here.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:58,
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But ultimately, isn't that just the point we're arguing?
That is what I posted
"They would have known full well what they were doing and that by performing this stunt they could potentially get into a lot of trouble"
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:10,
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yes but you shouldn't be all
serves them right,
you should be more like...
fuck thats terrible...
well you can be whatever you want... but...damn.
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I never said serves them right
I said they brought it upon themselves. Meaning is different. I do think it's terrible...
Let's not fight, let's be friends... *hugs*
*gropes*
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:27,
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it doesn't "serve them right"
(what a nonsensical phrase anyway)
but I still find it difficult really to take their side in the matter, what they did overstepped freedom of speech and was inappropriate. And then what the authorities did overstepped justice and was inappropriate. Both sides want their heads knocking together if you ask me.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:31,
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You've got my opinion wrong
I don't agree with it at all. It's terrible. I'm just saying they must have known what they were letting themselves in for by doing it...
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:22,
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Well, just to cheer us up, have you noticed that one of the three is smoking hot? Every cloud has a sexy lining.
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Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:58,
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I do love the way it is suddenly OK to say 'pussy' on the telly and radio.
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Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:04,
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All we need to do is get Kunt and the Gang in a news story somehow
And they'll be able to say pretty much anything on tv :)
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:08,
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*drops monocle*
Well Sir, you certainly make a valid point...
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:11,
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"Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, 22, and Maria Alyokhina, 24, were scrambling to arrange foster-care agreements to prevent social workers from taking the tots away from their families"
Sounds like they did know what they were risking, their families are already looking after the kids. What they didn't expect was the government to try and remove the children from their families.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:26,
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I watched their "church gig" on youtube. It was shit. I would have asked for my money back.
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