
27 dead, 18 of them children...
Grim
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:39, Reply)

they were jsut talking about a few injured when i posted it before. :/
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:43, Reply)

Thought this was breaking news and therefore not so far down the links.
My bad
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:42, Reply)

That's exactly what I think. But the article I read said the shooter has ties to the school so maybe there is a bit more going on here than just a nutter.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 19:12, Reply)

at the risk of seeming cold, dozens of these incidents happen every month in Africa or SE Asia, and they go unreported. As sad as it is, every time I hear one of these reports about some nutjob in USA/Europe, it just reminds me that collectively we don't really consider those in the third world to be the same level of human as us.
Descendants of white Europeans slaughtered = several days of front-page news.
Descendants of others slaughtered = 2 paragraphs a week later.
Not that I'm preaching from a high moral standpoint - I don't care about African massacres either.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:44, Reply)

I think in this country we kind of assume that most of Africa is in the shit one way or another, so we aren't surprised by the articles.
I remember a day or two after the London bombings in which 52 people died I saw a small article on the BBC website about 99 people killed in a bus bombing somewhere. Might have been Egypt...don't even remember now, but it was a grim context.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:55, Reply)

www.boston.com/bigpicture/2012/12/the_wake_of_typhoon_bopha_phil.html
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:59, Reply)

You know when they have thta guy from Singapore on.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 19:21, Reply)

I've read alot about Rwanda, DRC &c. and I've had tears streaming down my face reading- it's hard to comprehend such carnage/brutality/erosion of empathy....
And worse that the global reaction is a big "meh".
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 19:01, Reply)

that said, and at the risk of having 3 likes withdrawn (I know - the sacrifices I am willing to make)and as much as the USA is a fucking ignorant basket case, I do support the second amendment.
Thats not to say I think they manage it well, and the US has gone from being the most interesting debating ground (they very nearly voted in a Socialist President in the '30s) on the planet to being the most collectively & wilfully ignorant concentration of humans in history (including Australia) in the relative blink of an eye.
That aside, enshrining a populations right to arm itself to keep its government in check (which was one of the key reasons initially) is a fine principle which I think should underpin all civilised democracies.
The right to bear arms isnt America's problem, its the fact that it being the spiritual home of capitalism has led it to render most of its population bereft, pig-ignorant, expolited & bitter.
'A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'
( , Sat 15 Dec 2012, 1:20, Reply)

::EDIT:: Realised I'm automatically assuming "with ties to the school" meant he went there. Ignore that for now...
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:39, Reply)

( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:43, Reply)

They don't start with themselves rather leaving that bit till last.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:45, Reply)

Now he's dead, all the tabloids will be salivating over the 'portrait of a killer' type articles, where the shooter becomes an enigma; a source of worldwide speculation and interest.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:47, Reply)

Bets on how long until some video game gets brought up in the Daily Mail in connection with this story?
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:58, Reply)

I reckon with a double barreled 12bore he would have only got trhough half of that lot.
:|
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 19:25, Reply)

"There are preliminary reports a student's 20-year-old father was the shooter and that he went from classroom to classroom firing at students and teachers with a .223-caliber rifle.". I'm guessing he posed as a father to get in.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 18:49, Reply)

as I do when I watch clips of people fighting over apple products on Black Friday
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 19:02, Reply)

will be assassinated, by a gun.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 19:10, Reply)

Relax gun control laws in the UK and see what happens. What could possibly go wrong?
I'm not 100% against guns (I shoot on a regular basis). But there has ot be some proper control and regulation. Offering a BYGOF at your local Wlamart when you buy $10 of hot wings is not good enough.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 19:23, Reply)

SENSIBLE PEOPLE:
FFS America! Why do you keep shooting each other? Ban guns!
DUMB AMERICANS:
It's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people.
SENSIBLE PEOPLE:
Yes, with fucking guns!
DUMB AMERICANS:
But if guns weren't here, maniacs would only go out and use something else to kill people. Like a knife.
SENSIBLE PEOPLE:
And don't you think it'd be easier to disarm a man with a knife than a man with a gun?
DUMB AMERICANS:
Umm...maybe...but if the government takes all our guns away, we'll be burgled and raped 24/7!
SENSIBLE PEOPLE:
We're not.
DUMB AMERICANS:
What do you mean?
SENSIBLE PEOPLE:
Here in the UK. Guns are banned and hardly anyone gets burhgled or raped or murdered. Explain that.
DUMB AMERICANS:
No time, I'm off to buy junior a Smith & Wesson to take to school tomorrow. Yee-haw!
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 19:24, Reply)

CANADIANS:
It's not the guns...we've got them. We just don't shoot each other.
SWISS:
Same here.
UK:
*runs off with your bike and wallet*
( , Sat 15 Dec 2012, 2:03, Reply)

More reporting leading to probably another one somewhere else in America.
I just find it sad that someone was that desperate that they did what I imagine to be the worst thing he could think of.
And this time of year as well. Makes things harder for people and makes people even nuttier.
There'll be a big debate about gun laws etc. etc.
But the problem will remain, another one will happen. Probably another before Christmas, on a smaller scale as security will be tightened, maybe a mall next? Who knows. Shit's all fucked up though.
America has some real problems, something's really wrong underneath all the pleasant nature and idealistic values. Too much of the old guns this, guns that, games, TV, films. They love it. Call of duty, freddie Wong, you name it.]rambling now...
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 20:23, Reply)

Everybody has likely moved on from this thread now, but can I just add that from what I've just briefly researched these shootings generally take place with legally bought weapons, so I'm wondering if the guns weren't available to be bought whether the shootings would have been averted.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 21:09, Reply)

because such shootings are made by fucking nuts.
If not guns that would be fertilizer bombs or what
else.
Yet, common criminal activity takes place with black
market guns and it will always be like it.
One can draw their own conclusions.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 22:13, Reply)

id just like to thank Coccyx for providing a well informed debate. hes basically a 1 man army debating against everybody else.
(but i definitely dont agree with you, sorry)
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 21:40, Reply)

the big problem.
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 22:58, Reply)

( , Sat 15 Dec 2012, 0:11, Reply)

Undernutrition contributes to five million deaths of children under five each year in developing countries.
(Source: Under five deaths by cause, UNICEF, 2006)
( , Fri 14 Dec 2012, 22:49, Reply)

the discussion it's set off is well worth reading.
( , Sat 15 Dec 2012, 0:22, Reply)