is this man a cock? teaching not stressfull?
The outspoken head of Ofsted has hit out at teachers who complain their jobs are "too stressful" and make excuses for poor performance.
maybe he should get out of his lofty castle and join the poor people who have to work and see how stressful being a head teacher is, especially in run down inner city areas .
this man is a total waste of cock space
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fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Thu 10 May 2012, 21:42,
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Dealing with nasty shitty kids has got to be one of the worst jobs to do.
Hats off to anyone who can bear it long enough to try and teach them something.
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JamTallons, Thu 10 May 2012, 21:58,
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I seem to remember from school that
some teachers simply had the charisma to control the class, whilst others would be walked all over by exactly the same kids.
Unfortunately, teaching isn't well paid enough for it to always attract people who would be naturally gifted for it, but rather often ends up a job people fall into by accident.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:44,
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"Try TO" teach them something. Not "try and".
Augh, i give up with you little shits, I really do!!
*posts CV to Ofsted*
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Thu 10 May 2012, 23:06,
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In a mere few weeks
I am going on a "Safeguarding and protecting children" course
My daily chores in my job are basically handyman, tractor/manitou driver, muck out stables, look after horses, ride, lead, blahblah. Assist in riding lessons*.
* This is a fucking nightmare, if i have a chance to catch a child falling from a horse, apparently i cannot touch them, they must fall and hit the ground with unpredictable results.
This also involves things such as adjusting stirrups when riders are mounted and checking the safety of the saddles girth (Working around peoples legs). Nine times out of ten this is seen by a gallery of parents. I also monitor kids on own a pony days, birthday parties or the dreaded "work experience" - Health and safety is obviously paramount in these situations, where they disappear or pay zero attention to instruction, or an accident just plain happens. Even a passing sweary word can go home to mom and pops and really ruin everyones day.
I consider my job EASY. (But the kids are a stress)
FUCK having the responsibilites of a teacher!
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Good on you, if it's about child protection, make sure you have a colleaugue with you at all times.
I have done a similar course, that is the first rule, it's a shit rule but it covers your back.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 11 May 2012, 0:02,
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Promise I'm not trolling but I have to agree with him
The reason teaching is stressful is apparently:
"the constant churn of government initiatives, tinkering with the curriculum, introducing new tests" - what job doesn't have constant tinkering and new initiatives from upper management? That's common whether you teach English in mossside or deliver furniture for DFS. Coping with the changes from above is just a fact of working life.
Stress is also apparently:
"pressure to get pupils through exams to prove their school is performing well" - So you're pressured by the people who employ you to prove that you're doing your job well?
I've worked in the public sector for the last 7 years and I'm sick of people talking like they have the monopoly on stress. Private sector work is just as stressful but often without the personal gratification or public admiration that often comes with public sector jobs.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:00,
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Well, I don't think they're claiming to have a monopoly on stress :-). But Doctors etc have similar complaints and I think they are justified. The stress comes from the government wanting to run Public services like Private companies, and hold to them to the same checks and balances. But they are not the same at all. The "product" in this case is Human beings, and you can't process them like components in a factory.
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JamTallons, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:14,
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I agree that the Govt. is wrong in attempting to run public services as private ones
But the woman from the teacher's union made a list of complaints that are almost universal to all jobs, and then claimed that this is why teaching was particularly stressful. That's claiming a monopoly on stress in my book.
Also, I'm sure there are people here who know teachers who've suffered stress, but I reckon you could say the same for a lot of jobs, I know I could. And although this is harsh, if you're so stressed by a job that you have a breakdown or cannot continue to do it, then you clearly aren't right for that job. Similarly, someone who is 5ft tall and weighs 6 stone probably isn't cut out to be a bouncer. I found myself working in a very stressful environment and in 2 years took 2 months of with stress, I accepted that I wasn't cut out for it and got a different job.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:25,
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just because other jobs are stressful for the same reasons
doesn't mean that teaching isn't stressful
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mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:37,
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Which is why I never said teaching wasn't stressful
Only that the stress they experience is common to loads of jobs, but somehow they're pleading that they're a special case.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:40,
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I think they are.
Like I say, it's the same with Doctors. Dealing with seriously injured people or resentful children is a raw and ancient Human challenge. And the stress it brings is more personal and soul consuming than a lot of other jobs. It's certainly different than the type of emotional challenges you'll encounter when delivering furniture for DFS anyway.
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JamTallons, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:57,
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Even if I thought they were a special case (which I don't)
the woman in that article certainly didn't put forward any claims that would support the argument. There was certainly no mention of the type of emotional challenges that teachers faced.
As every job is different, the details of what causes the stress are going to be different. But to claim your job is particulalry stressful because your bosses put pressure on you to perform well or give you new and different tasks, is just ridiculous.
Also, if you find emotional challenges stressful, don't become a teacher. Its really simple.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Thu 10 May 2012, 23:13,
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I think that is a huge genralisation, and yes I respect you point of view.
My Dad was a teacher for 26 years and consistently had good results, he taught at some high profile schools, expensive ones, which you might think made his job easier. It didn't. He got so stressed out and fed up with the stipulations and prescribed curriculums put upon him by people that hadn't really done a teaching job (quangos) that he left the profession. I know he was a good teacher, so many of his students still get in touch with him from time to time to let him know what they are doing and to thank him. He took a job with the council supervising a traveller site, even though he was in constant liason with the police because of the crimes they had comitted he deemed it less stressful and frustrating. Because he wasn't allowed to TEACH anymore, only to impart the prescribed information. This is why so many good teachers don't do it anymore. I am looking at teaching abroad, somewhere things are a bit more about the students needs and less about what is required of them by a government set curriculum. It is after all a fundamentally needs led profession.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 10 May 2012, 23:06,
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Genuine question- what bit was a huge generalisation?
also, its extremely commmon for people who spend a long time in one career to get worn down and dilillusioned with how the job has changed. It happens in every industry I've worked in (quite a few). That doesn't mean teaching has become more stressful, just that your Dad became disillusioned with his job. I'd also wager that your dad found his new job less stressful because it was a change and something new to challenge him.
EDIT: Shouldn't have started this debate when I'm this tired. Off to bed now, not ignoring you. Good luck in your job, its good to hear someone motivated about their career:)
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Thu 10 May 2012, 23:17,
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The generalisation was that you were saying "teachers" are pleading they are a special case Re: stress
Massive generalisation, assuming your statement didn't mean that "some" teachers are pleading a special case.
Edit: and yes you are 75% right about my dads dissillusionment. Although that in itself was very stressful for him, after 26 years, you are going be a bit stressed and depressed about leaving a job that you once loved.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 10 May 2012, 23:21,
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Anything's stressful if you actually give a damn though isn't it?
I look after hundreds of millions of squids for my day job and make decisions that, if they're wrong, may well contribute to killing someone and most of the time its fucking scary (social / charitable sector).
So sometimes I might think I'd like to "have a rest" and be a teacher. But when I think about it, I'd far rather be responsible for a load of money and possibly fuck that up than hundreds of kids, and fuck them up.
It all seems to be a bit of a moot argument. Constant battle to see who's got a worse lot than anyone else. We're all ultimately fucked aren't we, so let's all just hold hands and sob quietly.
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Throat And Ice Pie I see dem tatties dere., Thu 10 May 2012, 22:37,
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"Constant battle to see who's got a worse lot than anyone else. We're all ultimately fucked aren't we, so let's all just hold hands and sob quietly."
You put it a lot more succinctly then me.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:43,
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I like you point, and I concur, it would be nice if people stopped whining about how teachers are getting it wrong though and maybe looked at why
this perception has occured, maybe even volunteering as a CA to see how "easy" it is and then when they get home they could do some marking and write a few reports, maybe do some lesson planning whilst thinking about what to do about the disclosure you had today. It's not a 9 to 5 as I am certainly sure your job isn't. There are alot of fucking hard jobs out there, being a soldier for one must be harder. Lets just not jump down the teachers throats straight away, kind of shooting the messenger IMO.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 10 May 2012, 23:34,
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I don't think any teachers are claiming to have the monopoly on stress.
But you have to consider the parts of the job that are often overlooked when people think of teachers, especially headteachers. Teachers often find themselves acting as a bridge between the parent and child, whether they want to or not, especially in primary education when they also act as first legal point of call if anything goes wrong in the home. And it does.
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PMGT -Bacon., Thu 10 May 2012, 23:18,
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This is extremely true, one of the major factors of being a teacher is being able to act as a liason between child and parent when
disclosures are made or bullying occurs or if you have concerns about diet, bruises, etc. and also to be able to liase with the relevant authorities. Plus court statements etc. it comes down to a lot more than 2+2=2. Loco parentis is a serious thing.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 10 May 2012, 23:40,
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i reckon teaching at private schools is probably lower stress than teaching at state schools.
no? smaller class sizes, more resources, more motivated kids, fewer messed up kids who distrupt shit. just a thought.
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tickle I was away, Thu 10 May 2012, 23:53,
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My mother was a teacher
and she and all of her mates who were teachers retired from that profession essentially due to stress.
All of them
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Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:11,
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A good friend of mine *was* teaching in an inner city school in south London.
She's currently recovering from a pretty serious breakdown, as a direct result.
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:14,
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I was in a special measures school doing 100 hours a week
I still have bad dreams about the place several years later :-/
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Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:30,
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well you should have done your work on time
like all the other kids then you wouldnt have to kept behind doing detention every day.
dear me what are kids coming to these days? in my day we did school 7 days a week with no sleep and only the smell of cold boiled cabbage for dinner and we had to sweep the radiator pipes, that was hard job let me tell you and another thing it wasnt just chalk the techer threw at us , oh no that was only for the teachers pet ,we had turds the size of cowpats thrown at us and if you got luck it might still be warm, like i say kids these days dont know whats what
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fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:41,
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You lucky lucky bastard!
Ohhhh how I used to dream of havin' a nice fresh cowpat full on in the face. used to be 439 of us to a class with nothing but the headmasters razor blades to sit on, used to have a handful of gravel for lunch followed by a swim in an active volcano. Those were the days.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 10 May 2012, 23:45,
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A swim in an active volcano?
Luxury! Every morning at registration the teacher would rip out our fingernails and dip our hands in vinegar. then we would have to write a 4000 word essay on the inside of a ping pong ball, and if you didn't finish in time you'd be buggered by the school camel!
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Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
Those that can't teach, go on incapacity benefit ~_~
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those that can't teach
- work for ofsted
- write btec/gcse/a level course
- work for other educational bodies creating more unnecessary beaurocracy for teachers
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Spunky McPunk not dead yet, Thu 10 May 2012, 23:54,
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UTTER COCK. I'd love to see him take a class of inner city year nines for an hour and ratify his performance.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 10 May 2012, 22:54,
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Those who can't do teach...
...and those who can't teach join Ofsted and are cuntish those who teach. That's clear then
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Thu 10 May 2012, 23:04,
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What a fucking penis.
My mum is a headteacher, and for as long as I've been alive she comes home from work, eats, and then spreads her books out on the floor and sits there doing everything she's got to do for the next day. Til about 10pm. It's a job that never, ever ends.
Couple that with having a duty of responsibility for every one of about 100 kids (it's a small school), and having to keep an eye out for, and subsequently deal with things like child abuse (which has happened more than once), as well as whole host of other things that most people don;t ever have to deal with (alcoholic abusive fathers turning up to see kids they're not legally allowed to see, and having to be refused entry to the building), and it all makes for something of a fucking stressful job.
This guy is prize grade cockscoffler.
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PMGT -Bacon., Thu 10 May 2012, 23:12,
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you can tell people in these roles are clueless
when they attack those below them, focusing on the negative to try and justify the importance of their own role as saviour, instead of demonstrating a degree of leadership or god forbid, making a tangible positive contribution.
the smug cunt.
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Accoding to his biog he has worked in schools for 43 years/
although for the last 26 years not in a classroom. Just the hiring and firing. He stopped "teaching" before OFSTED even existed. Hmmmm....
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 11 May 2012, 0:16,
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My partner is an NQT...
...There's not any time when she's NOT working or thinking about work to be honest. Even during 2 week holidays.
You couldn't ever pay me enough to want to be a teacher. I respect, but also suspect the sanity of anyone who actively wants to do it. Partner included...
Did you know teachers have among the shortest post retirement life expectancies? We're getting married soon... *rubs hands*
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Dad tried teaching
He's a well built bloke-11 1/2 years in the army (part of that in Norn Iron during the 70's), then 16 years as a railway fitter. He did a degree, then went into teaching. Horrible time for the family. On qualification, he wound up doing semi-permenant supply teaching (term or two at a time) round Derby. He was assaulted countless times, and a lot of the time had bugger all support from senior management. He reckoned dealing with the NI paramilitaries was easier.
One tale that really shocked me was a young, female newly qualified teacher who wound up sobbing on his shoulder. Some early teens chav had put his hand up her skirt (proper skirt, not a wide belt thing) as she helped a girl in front. The headmasters response was "Perhaps you should wear trousers".
I was going through secondary school at the same time, and even a quiet backwater country school wasn't much better. Hated every minute. I was then very fortunate to get into welbeck (military 6th form college) for my A levels, and the difference was astonishing-with a class of kids who wanted to be there and knew they'd get kicked out for any trouble, I had the best teachers, topics and lessons I ever had.
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Greenbat, Fri 11 May 2012, 0:48,
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The stress is probably the same as when he used to teach
But nowadays you can't relieve it by smacking the pupils with a riding crop
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Fri 11 May 2012, 1:41,
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