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Overheard the other day: "I've told you before - stop swearing in front of the kids, for fuck's sake." Your tales of double standards please.

(, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 12:21)
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Hypocritical pompous eco-veggie twats...and other rants
Things that get my goat:

1) Veggies that use the argument that "if you eat meat you shouldn't be squeamish about the slaughterhouse". Now, I've killed, cleaned and gutted animals myself and to be honest, you don't want to cook it straight away, unless you're starving, but that's more because you're up to your armpits in gore. I reckon that a potato farmer could go right off chips if he had to cook the fuckers as well as grow and harvest them.

2) The fact that any vegetarian is arrogant enough to turn up to a meat-eater's house for dinner, then expect the entire party to eat a vegetarian dish, or for a veggie dish to have been prepared (using all separate utensils), yet if you turn up to a Veggie's house for a barbecue and expect a steak, you'd be called a cunt.

3) On this subject, PETA assholes who think murdering doctors is ok in order to save the life of a few white rats and the odd beagle. I love dogs as much as any man, but for fucks' sake, if nothing else, it doesn't owe the tax payer for eight years of medical school funding, for a start...

4) Environmentalists who claim leather shoes are "evil", so wear leather-free shoes (i.e made from plastic, which is a by-product of the petrochemical industry).

5) The idiots who released the mink for a local mink farm into the wild. Let's see, Mink are a) not indigenous to the UK, b) fucking vicious and, c) bigger than stoats and the other predators we have. Cue a killing spree of epic proportions as the evil little sods kill off any competition for five square miles, then procede to atack the local ducks at the pond, peoples chickens, rabbits, guinea pigs, etc... Not only that, but they are breeding quite happily, so we'll soon have no squirrels left in Surrey. For so-called animal lovers, they a) knew fuck all about mink and b) have caused far more death than letting the mink farm run it's course and go bankrupt (Mink farming in a surrey suburb? Great business plan!). The irony is just exquisite.

6) The fact that modern females will go out, get absolutely shit-faced, dress like a hooker, vomit, belch, fart and pick a fight with any passing stranger, yet expects to be treated like a princess. They're the same sort who, despite flashing her thong to an entire nightclub, her tits to passing cabs and her minge to the world as she pisses in the gutter, would become a shrieking harpy if some drunken bloke dared to try and be suggestive, because obviously "I'm not that type of girl, you sexist pig!", etc, etc... No, you are exactly that type of girl, you drunken slapper - you just haven't gotten the last bacardi breezer down your fat neck that causes you to lumber round the streets grabbing hold of men's arses and trying to fuck anything with a pulse. Reverse the genders and it'd be labelled "thuggish behaviour by adisgraceful lout", but because it's a member of the "fairer" sex, it's ok - it's "girls doin' it for themselves, woo! Yeah, you go girlfriend!" - or, shudder, New Ladette behaviour.

7) Feminists (the type who treat all men like they are shit-flinging primates and who believe women can do no wrong)- they and their mates would happily slag off men and rate potential dates, etc, but if they caught the IT nerds doing the same about girls in the office, etc, they'd have an aneurism.

8) Who here, in this post-Germaine Greer, women-are-just-as-good-if-not-better-than-men, era has ever, ever had a door opened for them by a woman? Or had a girl offer to pay for the meal and not have it come back to bite you in the ass later on? Or how many feminists are happy to let her husband take the paid time off to care for the baby, while they go to work? Where's the fight for 9 months paid Paternity leave? Feminism is a case for having-the-cake-and-eaiting-it - equality means zero preferential treatment, so things like divorce cases should make no differentiation between mothers and fathers in custody decisions - it should be based purely on ability to provide, etc - unlike the 90%+ divorces that give custody to the mother by habit...

So much hypocrisy, so much infuriating crap... Ah, fuck it, I don't care - my wife's ace and gets more wound up by this crap that I do (and she's a proper hippy, too, so that shows how badly these loonies are missing the point!)...

Right, flame on!
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:07, 20 replies)
Well, funny you say that
As Ms Crow does insist on paying her way and has certainly bought me meals in the past.

But I think you've got a good case otherwise. I'm all in favour of equality for women*, but just that - equality for both sexes, not the indirect suppression of men masquerading as equality.

EDIT: Oh, and I live with a vegan who operates on an entirely live-and-let-live basis - they're not all bad!

EDIT No 2: I should point out that the grey squirrel is a recognised pest in England anyway, and has already driven out the native red squirrel. Having said that, I'm not sure a coup by a mink population would do us any better...

*I hasten to add that, when I heard the debate about polygamy in the UK on Radio 4 this morning, I was quite astounded that neither side thought to point out that, you know, treating women as a commodity is kind of, well, frowned upon in Britain these days...
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:15, closed)
I treat all people as equals...
The problem is that the PC-brigade don't. If you're gay, ethnic, disabled, illegal immigrant, non-christian, female or a selection of the above, you are somehow "special". You can't be chastised for your actions, ever hear the word "no", or not get what you want because that is obviously a conspiracy.

Equality means letting everyone be given the right to be an incompetent asshole and for everyone else to have the right to berate them for it, basically. If you have a man working in your office who is crap at his job, the boss would call him a twat, eventually he'd get a disciplinary and maybe get fired. If it was a woman, or anyone vaguely ticking the "diversity" box, then no-one would say a word as the whole place went to shit for fear of being hit with a tribunal...it's insane, really - if you just treat everyone like a human being, you end up being treated like you're Bernard Manning.

Although my mother-in-law could stand to lose a few pounds, come to think of it...
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:24, closed)
a click.

I couldn't have put it better myself.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:23, closed)
i agree 100% with every single word my good man.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:35, closed)
Your just talking about minorites of people who are extreme in their views.
Most vegetarians, feminists, women in general aren't like this and you know it.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:37, closed)
It is a bit specific.

I don't think I've ever met any of these people.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:57, closed)
a click!
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:46, closed)
Bitter, much?
that is all.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:46, closed)
The next person who uses an adjective + MUCH construction will get a kicking.

That, my friend, is all.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:00, closed)
I have to say
it's mildly unfair to generalise this as ALL vegans, ALL feminists, ALL women, as there are just as many meat eaters, sexists and men in the world who act the same way.

I do agree that feminism killed chivalry, but I also understand we can't have it both ways! Although I do like it when a bloke walks on the side of the pavement closest to the road, that's a lesser known chivalrous act.

I used to be vegetarian and didn't force my eating habits down anyone else's throat (ooh pun!) but I also found it extremely tiresome receiving an attack from meat eating friends about how pointless and ridiculous my choice was every time I ordered a vegetable lasagne, so the fact that you're ranting about vegetarians being intolerant makes for a little irony methinks.

Other than that I do agree with the general idea behind your points, just felt it could have been a little less hate-filled!! But then again, this is b3ta.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:22, closed)
let's talk generalisations, then...
Yes, I admit I used broad strokes, but that is because, as a caucasian heterosexual male with fully-functioning faculties, I am actively placed as a low priority by HR and the so-called "equality" laws. We don't have equality in the UK, we have positive discrimination. You can't have all-male clubs anymore (remember those silly attention-grabbers protesting about Whites a few years ago?), or all-men golf courses (again, see the protests at Augusta in the US), but you can set up all-women Health Spas, or Gay-Only nightclubs. Hell, a straight male friend of mine was raped (so much for gays only being the "victims" in our society)and when he was sent for counselling, the all-female support group turned on him and the counsellor basically threw him out because the other women there might not like having a man in the building. This aside from the fact it is widely regarded as harder for a male to face up to being a victim of such crimes and there is no "rape" charge for male assaults - again, hardly equal.

As for the vegans/vegetarians, you're right - I haven't met every single one and a few I have met are even happy for their family to eat meat (such as yourself), as it's their personal choice to be a veggie, after all, but a good 90% of those I have met are of the "meat is murder" brigade who are never too bothered by social decency to interrupt your meal to preach at you. No, I'm not cruel to animals - I grew up with dogs, gerbils and a grass snake, I now have three cats in the house. I do, however, see that there is some value in certain medical testing to be done on rats, etc (I'm not talking about the schock-a-monkey-to-see-what-happens crap, I am talking about drug testing) - the last batch of non-animal-tested drugs we heard about were the ones that made that guys head swell up like a balloon and killed two others. If it's a case of human or rat, sorry, but Roland is a goner...

I just think that, under the protection of "Political Correctness", or "Positive Discrimination" or "Human Rights", a lot of behaviour goes on that would not be allowed at all if it were going the other direction. It's ok for Gays to mock the straights (hell, we even have TV Shows where they teach us incompetent heteros how to dress, cook, talk, wlak and live - Queer Eye, anyone?) - but if you pitched a TV show where you "Un-fagged" a gay guy - teach him how to fart, neck stella, have a fight and leer at girls, etc - you'd be about as popular as Russell Brand imitating Carol Thatcher talking about black tennis players...

I just think that either everyone has a right to be who they are and say what they think, or no-one does and we just follow an arbitrary list of societal boundaries. :-)
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 14:38, closed)

(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 14:48, closed)
Don't get me wrong
I do agree with what you're saying, to quote one Mark Corrigan, I hate political correctness gone mad and fully agree that it's gone almost entirely the other way, I think the 1% feminist in me was just riled by your brush getting tar all over me!

Also, on a completely irrelevant note, w00t for gerbils! I have seven. Fucking breeders.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 15:02, closed)
Ah, a homphobe too
neatly disguised as a reasonable citizen.

Nurse! Teh screens!
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 15:24, closed)
homophobe? no...
half my colleagues are gay, my wife's best mate is a lesbian and I couldn't give a monkeys toss either way - they're just human beings.

If you want to wear another guy's ass as a hat, I really don't care - I respect your boundaries as long as you respect mine, is all :-)
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 15:49, closed)
Yeah, damn him and his well-thought-out reasonable arguments!
Let's come back with a knee-jerk, programmed response that doesn't address the issue! That'll show 'im! And you'll win!
(, Mon 23 Feb 2009, 13:58, closed)
Erm – hand on a minute – you’re generalizing a bit on the girlie side here.
I always open doors for people, male or female, and I always pay my way when I go out for meals, or when I went on dates etc when I was single. I took my fiancé for an expensive meal the other evening as a treat and we take it in turns at the bar and I always pay for half cab fares.

I’ve decided that I want to work after we have kids and my fella is going to be the `at home’ parent even though he has a highly paid job as a web designer.

The only thing in section 8 that I do agree with is the custody part. Clearly it should be that the most capable and suitable parent should have main custody of the child in divorce cases but sadly this isn’t often the case. I was left with my alcoholic mother when she and my father separated and ended up in a foster home for a year as a result.

I understand your frustrations Chad but don’t char us all with the same brush please.

(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 15:05, closed)
good for you!
Seriously, though - manners are great, but at the end of the day, most women I have known/met would have no problem expecting dinner on a date to be paid for by the man, or suchlike.

My wife is different, but then again, she's my wife and basically everything we have is shared anyways! (not only that, but she's lovely, to boot)
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 15:57, closed)
Nice one
It's good to know you have a fab and fair missus :) We're not all selfish, spoilt cows :)
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 16:10, closed)
I actually
did not read this as 'all women/feminists/veggies' are like this. I read it as a rant against the ones who are. And I don't think you're homophobic either. I think that there is a lot of positive discrimination and have seen its effects, it is unfair. If you do something wrong then you face the consequences whatever happens. If you are an asshole then you're an asshole whatever colour you are and whoever you like shagging.
(, Sat 21 Feb 2009, 0:20, closed)

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