I have to say
that the idea that sentencing decisions are or may be influenced by the amount of prison cell vacancies does not sit well with me at all.

I'll bet the overcrowding issue is a factor in these reduced jail time propositions.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:37, 5 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

I agree entirely
Punishment should not be commuted to an alternative sentence because of economic constraints.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:40, Reply)

having heard how the CPS works these days
sentencing is the least of our worries.

I think Judge Dredd style law enforcement is the way forward
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:40, Reply)

What do you mean re CPS?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:42, Reply)

it is under-staffed
mostly by idiots. horribly bureaucratic, and the long serving members, like my dad, who are actually very good at it, and knew a lot of law and such are treated so shit that they have to take early retirement through stress.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:49, Reply)

This is a good idea

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:42, Reply)

Only as long as he doesn't take his helmet off
Deportation backfired pretty spectacularly; it resulted in the subjguation of an indigenous people, Ricky Ponting and some terrible, terrible films.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:44, Reply)

That was on last night
What a terrible terrible film.

I love it.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:45, Reply)

It is my secret shame too
I quite like the film
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:49, Reply)

*raises hand sheepishly*
Me too. Ms Foxtrot bloody loves it.

They're making another one, with Karl Urban as Dredd. If he takes his helmet off once, I call bullshit.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:52, Reply)

Karl Urban will be superb for that, I think

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:53, Reply)

He's generally very good value in any action film
With the exception of Doom, a film so bad that not even The Rock could save it
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:56, Reply)

He was very good in Star Trek

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:58, Reply)

I agree
When they announced the casting I thought it was a terrible decision but he turned out to be one of the more spot on ones.
( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:59, Reply)

My sentiments exactly
He was perfect for the character, totally confounding my expectations
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 18 May 2011, 11:00, Reply)

Yep
The fact that more scum now live in Britain than ever before should not mean reduced jail time for the little cunts. How about stopping buying them flat screen TVs, Playstations, etc? This would save a lot of money. I'm all for building more prisons
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:42, Reply)

I think we should stop feeding them as well.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:43, Reply)

Good plan
Did you see Strangeways during the week? That fat fucker who shit himself and refused to walk? Cattle prods FTW
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:44, Reply)

One thing I cannot believe we don't do is make prisoners work when they're inside.
I cannot see a downside to their paying off some of their incarceration bill through work - and at the same time helping their self-esteem/value through productive activity.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:44, Reply)

Yep

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:46, Reply)

I think it should be like a boot camp
up at dawn, run and excercise, breakfast, studying, cleaning, menial work, shower rape and to bed at dusk.

No TVs, no luxuries, no vote.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:46, Reply)

shower rape is a luxury for some

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:47, Reply)

HMP Norwich lols

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:48, Reply)

Haha

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:52, Reply)

That'll only increase the conviction rate
If shower rape becomes a statutory right of every inmate they'll have to incarcerate a sibling with every successful prosecution.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:55, Reply)

Turnip stealing convictions in East Anglia have increased 850%

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:56, Reply)

Someone I know went away for manslaughter
and he told me it was 'fookin' brilliant' in Strangeways - 'it's being on the dole but you don't have to get up to sign on'. They made booze out of jam and every Friday night they all took Es and listened to pirate radio.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:57, Reply)

....and this is why we need more prisons for fucking idiots like that

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:58, Reply)

And for the prison experience to not be so fucking pleasant.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 18 May 2011, 11:00, Reply)

jam beer sounds quite nice though, eh?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 11:05, Reply)

Jamstel?
sorry
( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Wed 18 May 2011, 11:09, Reply)

click

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 11:16, Reply)

The american system has basically become a modern form of slavery.
And there have been arguments made that some states "tough on crime" laws have been heavily influenced by the people who directly benifit from a large prison population.
That's why you can get 15 years for possesion.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:47, Reply)

you do serious time for possession
because america (well, some states) have a seriously fucked up attitude to drugs.

There are at least 3 or 4 states where the average 3rd strike jail sentence for dope possession is higher than the average for rape or murder.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:52, Reply)

Although I kindda agree, there is quite a lot to consider; do they pay tax on the work? do they get any sort of profit for their work?
Will there be a backlash from consumers of the company involved in regards to using a company that'll essenchally employ a criminal who still hasn't finished paying for his crimes?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:47, Reply)

This implies that companies have a conscience
If they thought they could get cheap labour they would jump at the chance. No tax to pay
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:48, Reply)

A lot of companies have consciences, esspecially if it could potentially harm their profits.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:50, Reply)

ONLY if it could harm their profits

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:51, Reply)

No, that's not true, companies are owned by such a varied array of people that you can't generalise like that.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:54, Reply)

I mean the kind of companies that would employ prisoners

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:57, Reply)

they could make stuff for teh government
like pot hole fillers
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:49, Reply)

We could just grind them up to fill the pot-holes
Two birds with one guilty stone
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:50, Reply)

If they stopped locking people up for minor drug offences
there might be more room.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:46, Reply)

"they" almost never lock anyone up in the UK for minor drugs offences.
Although it does depend what you mean by "minor"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:50, Reply)

20 keys of neat coke in a van minor

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:51, Reply)

ah, there's your error.
see, a van means you intend to distribute. You want it in the glove box of your Fiesta.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:53, Reply)

I was not aware they had such large glove boxes

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:55, Reply)

...and that's why you'll never be a top-level nosebag smuggler

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:59, Reply)

No, it's a massively misguided attempt to increase the rape conviction rate.
If you don't go to trial and don't break down every single microcosm of the victim's life until they crack, you probably convict more rapists. Apparently more rapists in for a shorter time is better.

The problem is the court conviction rate for rape is already very high. It's the rate for getting to court that is the problem
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 18 May 2011, 10:47, Reply)