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Alt: A lad on facebook just posted this
"In May 2010 Tohseef Shah spray painted a British War Memorial with "islam will dominate osama is coming" he was fined £50 & walked free from court. In November 2010, Emdadur Choudhury burned a Poppy during the 2mins silence. He too was given a £50 fine and walked free from court. Today, 2 men have been sentenced to 12 months in prison for spray painting a Poppy on a mosque. Welcome to the Great British justice system. Disgusting.... Who's brave enough to Copy & Paste this only those who think Great Britain is no longer GREAT"

I've just taken great pleasure in informing him about the actual reason the EDL wankers were sent down.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:15, 6 replies, latest was 14 years ago)
Which was?

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:17, Reply)
Morning Al. I see there's been all sorts of shennanigans on here this morning.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:18, Reply)
I know, I can sense an accusation of TERRIBLE ONLINE BULLYING on it's way.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:24, Reply)
your punctuation is shocking today
sort it out. i'm not bickering with the fucktarded.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:36, Reply)
HAHA!
Feel free, to stop' bickering then.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:38, Reply)
Oh dear.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:44, Reply)
Morning Clendrix.
I bought 5 lamb kidneys today and when I said to the butcher "How much?" he whispered and said "50p" and gave me a wink. 50p for 5 kidneys ! I've never had kidney before, I think I'll do them in a devil sauce (you know, that curry thing) on toast.

I also bought 5 'best cut' lamb chops, they're mahoosive, I'm going to do them with some Mint Jelly (note: Mint jelly, not Mint Sauce). Extra crispy fat. Lovely.

There is enough for the two of us if you want to move in with me.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:25, Reply)
I bet there's a few asylum seekers without kidneys round your way now....

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:29, Reply)
That'll save me having to add some mild curry powder to it then !

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:31, Reply)
I like the taste of kidneys
but they have a smell that I find unpleasant. But steak and kidney pie is lovely.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:37, Reply)
I've never tried them, but my latest pinup-chef Valantine Warner was cooking them yesterday...
... he cut them in half, cut out the white bits, sortayed some onion, added the kidneys, flashed in some sherry and sherry vinigar, added some cream and served on toast.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:39, Reply)
That sounds disgusting.
/not a fan of offal
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:45, Reply)
I really like Offal, I really want to try Sweatbreads at some point.
I think this is true, and it's just an observation, but I belive that people of your generation and higher ones, when they think of Offal, they consider it Poor Man's Food, the offcuts that end up for the dog. They also relate it to school meals that would cook the offal really badly.

Where as my generation, who hasn't grown up with it on an instertutional level, can see it for what it is when cooked right.

But naturally there are people who consider it disgusting because they can't get their head around the fact that it's not mussel or fat.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:51, Reply)
Sweetbreads are delicious.
Agree with Al about the smell of some offal. Like eating it regardless though. Except tripe. Eurgh.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:53, Reply)
Could you describe what Sweetbreads are like?
I've never tried tripe, I'd like to, but I can't imagine me enjoying it. I hate rubbery food.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:18, Reply)
OY!
What do you mean 'my generation'? I'm only about ten years older than you, you cheeky fucking get!
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:54, Reply)
Heh, every 3 or soo years I consider a new generation, rather than every 16 years.
You know what I mean !
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:18, Reply)
Morning Gonzeroo
For the sake of our wonderful friendship, let's continue living apart.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:45, Reply)
*looks around the room, at the mess*
Yes, I think that might possibly definatly be for the best =)

How are you doing?
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:48, Reply)
I'm OK - just getting to the end of a hellish week, but all's well.
Off to see a violent play tonight - hurrah!
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:59, Reply)
Oh lovely, what one? I love violent plays.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:16, Reply)
Saved

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:49, Reply)
They spraypainted the mosque with more than just a poppy, smashed windows of local muslim shops, and went "muzzy bashing"
That's a quote from them.

www.darlingtonandstocktontimes.co.uk/news/9285271.Former_English_Defence_League_members_jailed_over_mosque_and_shop_attack/
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:24, Reply)
Good.
EDL idiots need as much "re-eductation" as we can give them.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:19, Reply)
What was the actual reason?
I'd like to know.

I think the system is a bit broken, though, but more in the sense of a few not so guilty rioters getting years of prision for minor damages when a few very guilty MPs get only a few months for stealing thousands.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:19, Reply)
Almost all of the rioters that got long sentences had previous convictions
and the offences are considered differently, in that fraud is a non-aggressive crime that lacks a single identifiable victim.

Having said that, I think that the MPs should have gone down for longer, but that's no reason to suggest the looters shouldn't.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:23, Reply)
Yep
That's why I said a few not so guilty rioters, like that lad who helped a family to get out of a house on fire, then was offered a bottle of beer that had been stolen, had a sip and was sent to jail for a few months (I think they finally let him get off the jail, but still got the conviction)

I think fraud has an identifiable victim: you and me. Politicians make the laws so that they favour them; the fact that it's written as a law doesn't mean it's fair.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:26, Reply)
I'm unconvinced the first example actually happened exactly like you mention.
The press here are absolute arseholes for misreporting this kind of thing.

and, we put the politicians in power. They speak for us. That's what democracy is. If they break the laws they should be punished, but if you simply don't like the laws they make, vote them out, or live somewhere else.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:31, Reply)
I'm living somewhere else
as these things in Spain are much worse than here. However, there's no much we can do, is it? Whoever gets in power is not going to change the laws to make it more difficult to themselves.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:32, Reply)
well.... yeah. they will
if enough people actually object then only a party that guarantees to change it will be voted in. Again, that's how democracy works.

The problem here is, and probably rightly so, MPs expenses is such a piddlingly insignificant thing in the scheme of things, particularly given how little they are paid anyway, that most people don't really give a toss about a little explotiation of loopholes. It's when it becomes dishonest that it's an issue.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:36, Reply)
I would disagree with you there
they don't get paid a little amount, they get quite a lot higher than the average wage, and they get a lot of legitimate expenses paid for.

It brought to light just how ridiculous some of the "loopholes" were, such as MPs living in London being allowed to claim mortgage payments on second houses not that much closer to Westminster than their first house.

And I think that really shocked a lot of people who previously weren't aware of that situation.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:40, Reply)
I think
that your politicians are in fact quite good in general (I'm not voting on the next Spanish general elections as they have made it almost impossible for me to do it, so I'm going full British from now on) and I have to say that the fact that the MPs actually stepped down from their cabinets before even they're found guilty was really a good example.

Now, in Spain a big, big chunck of the population is asking for a change on the laws that leave politicians run free with loads (and I mean millions, no thousands) of money; and nothing is being done. And when the next party wins in November, nothing will be done either. That's how democracy works. There are 2, maybe 3 choices, and when they get to power, they all protect themselves.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:45, Reply)
Oh that's right
I remember seeing footage of mass student protests a while ago.
I guess the royal weddings haven't helped keep the people distracted then?
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:47, Reply)
It wasn't only students
and it was reported on the news so badly, as if they're complaining for the Goverment cuts, like in Greece. It's not like that; it's people from all sections, complaining about politicians being legally paid absurds ammounts of money (you wouldn't believe it) and stealing even more, and going home free after 4 years of "work", not having to do a job anymore.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:50, Reply)
They were jailed for vandalism and inciting racial hatred.
burning a poppy has nothing to do with race, hence the "no prison" thing
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:28, Reply)
FREE DANNY ! E....E....EDL !!!! NFSE !!!!!!
Not being funny or nuffin', not bein' racist, but they speak for the working man who doesn't have a voice anymore. It's not all of 'em, Mr Patel down the p**i-shop is alright, sorts me out he does, if I'm a quid short for a stella, he'll let me get him next time. Always asks for it back, mind. But I had this f'cking p**i doctor once, I said to him "I've broken my wrist" (don't ask) and all he'd give me is fucking codine ! Probably 'cus 'em islamics don't like being drugged up, sonovabitch. But at least they're working, I swear, when I go to sign on these days, there are so many f'cking curry-monsters coming here claiming benfits when they should be going to decent honest white people who were born here.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:21, Reply)
I actually find myself agreeing with some of these sentiments.
Which disturbs me.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:24, Reply)
But Mr Patel *is* alright
although this is more related to his personality than his nationality.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:26, Reply)
I hope it's the subtext of the only slight exasoration of their deplorable attitude, that you're agreeing with.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:27, Reply)
To a point yes.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:29, Reply)
Care to elaborate?

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:34, Reply)
I'm not a fan of the Islamicification of this country.
Then again, I'm not a fan of Christians or Jews either, so I suppose my bigotry goes across the board.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:37, Reply)
The what now?
Where?
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:38, Reply)
This country isn't being Islamified.
in any way, shape or form, other than the distateful shite made up by wankers like the EDL and given a faux-legitimate voice by the cunts at the Mail and the Express.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:39, Reply)
Try visiting North Manchester mate.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:40, Reply)
Now, I don't claim to be any kind of political heavyweight
but isn't that kind of like saying Spain is being anglicisied, based on visiting Magaluf?
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:43, Reply)
But Brits only visit there for a week at a time,
to get pissed, fight and eat kebabs. sad but true.
We don't construct mosques, preach hatred or protest Christmas.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:46, Reply)
a mosque is a building.
I fucking hate car parks but that's not a valid reason for protest.

there are as many "hatred-preaching" christians as there are muslims. More, in fact, and far more dangerous, because there's at least three in parliment.

And no-one, for the love of fuck, has ever "protested christmas".
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:48, Reply)
Cromwell?

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:51, Reply)
Nothing like a recent reference, AA.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:52, Reply)
*dons floppy hat and neck ruff*
*starts laughing*
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:52, Reply)
Bloody Puritans
Coming over here with their Christian propaganda
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:52, Reply)
I love this so much.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2kyNbZc7oc

My name is, my name is, my name is.... charles the second.
I love the people and the people love me, so much so they restored the english monarchy.
I'm part scottish, french italian and a little bit dame, but 100% party animal... champaign?
Spanials I adore named after me too, like me they're fun with a natty hair doo.
Is today my birthday? I can't recall, Let's have a party anyway 'cus I love a masked ball.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:57, Reply)
It is excellent, saw that the other day

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:03, Reply)
I beg to disagree on the last statement,
friend of mine is a music teacher, and Christmas things at school are not allowed. This ISN'T a Daily Fail urban myth, it's actually happened.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:53, Reply)
Evidence?

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:55, Reply)
The only person I've ever come across who seriously complained about xmas
was a Jehovah's Witness. She was proper mental, though.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:55, Reply)
no-one BANNED it.
It's not Islam's fault if individual schools are retarded. And my sister-in-law TAs in schools in preston and bolton so I can confirm it is individual schools.

in any case, they're hardly removing christams songs to celebrate Eid, are they? so it's got fuck all to do with Islam and a lot to do with one or two idiots or, possibly, a secularisation of schools in general, which is a good thing, right?
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:56, Reply)
Well a friend of mine knows your friend and told he was a kiddy fiddler
so it's not a lie it's 100% FACT!
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:01, Reply)
Too bloody right.
Finally, the voice of reason.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:14, Reply)
No, no
I mean the ex-pat communities. Aren't there loads of areas where they have English people all retiring to the sunshine?
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:48, Reply)
Yes, there are
and we don't like them.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:04, Reply)
Nononono, no muslim, or non-christian, has ever been offended by "the flag" or christian holidays.
I have never, not once, not in all these years, seen anyone of a non-christian faith say "I hate christmas, I wish they would change it to Wintervile" or something like that.

It's always, if it happens at lal, councils who are doing it on behalf of these people, and they're doing it wrongly.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:53, Reply)
In all fairness, I think it was a council decision.
Probably a Guardian reading diversity awareness chap. Fuck, I really really sound like Richard Littlejohn.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:56, Reply)
As far as I'm concerned school is for learning.
It's not for celebrating a man/gods birth by dressing up as sheep and waving at your parents.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:02, Reply)
Bless 'em.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:04, Reply)
^This
Don't present this stuff to my kids as fact. Sure, you can teach them about it, as long as you present it as a story.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:06, Reply)
Just like Santa and his reindeers.
Or evolution.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:09, Reply)
You're just trying to provoke reactions now...

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:11, Reply)
And why not?
I'm having a shit day, and want to share it with others.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:16, Reply)
I was there yesterday as it happens.
areas that have high concentrations of people from an islamic background is not islamification. Nothing has been islamified in any way. We do not have a single law in this country that is "islamic". Not one single thing that affects yours or my daily life is now subjected to any "islamic" rules.

I struggle to see any difference between what you've just said and me objecting to the number of Scots that live on my street.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:46, Reply)
I would think in Embra the English would outnumber the Scots two to one.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:49, Reply)
Nah, not really.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:52, Reply)
And it is precisely this Anglicisation which is destroying the Scottish culture
of deep-frying things
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:53, Reply)
burns embassy

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:56, Reply)
I read this as you smoking Embassy No1s
A classy cigarette in Scotland, no doubt.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:58, Reply)
You live in Edinburgh
Surely you should object to the number of English people, and then fuck off yourself.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:50, Reply)
that was my point.
majority of Muslims living in the UK are British. You have as much valid right to object to them living here as I would have to object to Scots living in Scotland.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:51, Reply)
Oh right
fair point.

*goes to tailor to have off the peg suit taken in*
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:52, Reply)
mind you, I'm liking your idea.
Starting an "English out" campaign and then disappearing up my own arse in some kind of recursive loop.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:54, Reply)
I'm sure that a lot of people have actually said this, in all seriousness.
And they probably have 'a mate' who knows for 'a fact' that it definitely goes on here just like they're saying it does, and they should all be sent back where they came from.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:27, Reply)

Extremely
Dense
Losers
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:32, Reply)
Anyone who thinks that's a witty riposte can fuck off along with Tony B.Liar, Gordon Clown, Nu Liar-Bore, David CONaron and NICK CLEGG AND HIS CRONIES.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:35, Reply)
Tohseef Shah was fined £500
it's all stupid anyway. If I burn a piece of paper I'm burning paper, if I draw a poppy on it and burn it I deserve massive fines and deportation
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:24, Reply)
Aye, I pointed that out too

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:27, Reply)
* Quoteish from Bill Hicks, not exact*
"They burrrrn the flag ! They gone done burn the flag ! My grand-daddy died faced down in the koreean mud for that flag !" I got my flag from Wallmart, would be a lot easier. Wow, look at this, what a coincidence, my flag says Made in North Koreea. No, your grand-daddy didn't die for the flag, he died for what the flag represents, and that includes the freedom to..... yes, you guessed it..... Burn the damn flag.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:30, Reply)
Haha

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:33, Reply)
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
Voltaire.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:42, Reply)
Perhaps we could put the hardline Muslims and the EDL nutters all in one place
Who would win? There's only one way to find out...
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:30, Reply)
Battle Royale style?
The television rights would be worth a fortune.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:32, Reply)
They'll just delete each other's words the moment they get backed into a corner using logic, or asked to provide proof of their claims.
Don't get me wrong, the MAC are scum too.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:32, Reply)
FFS does no-one watch TV burp?

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:32, Reply)
No, because it's shit.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:33, Reply)
MAC?
Dunno who they is Squire.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:35, Reply)
Muslims Against Crusades.
They're basiclly the islamic version of the EDL, a small minority fringe group who want Shiria Law in the UK. They're just on the boarders of being banned like Islam4uk, and the EDL use them as an example of all muslims.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:38, Reply)
Oh yeah, now I remember.
Weren't they in some demo the other month?
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:39, Reply)
Extremism related to race and / or religion (regardless of which) is always dangerous.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:40, Reply)
Extremism, in my opinion, is dangerous no matter what it is.
Weather it's football, religion, race or what hot beverage you want, it's all the same to me. When you consider everyone else who is outside of your group, as a lower-class of person, then it's wrong.

Personally, in my life, I'm affected more by extremest football fans, such as when I get the tube home on a match-day for Arsenal, then they flood the tube, making lots of noise, are extremely rude, shouting chants, calling all fans of opposiing teams some kind of abuse.... They're trying to change my life (trying to get me to support their team) more than any Imram has done.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:47, Reply)
They're against 800 year old religious military campaigns?

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:41, Reply)
Introduce the sikhs, and the EDL would get battered

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:34, Reply)
Oh now there's a plan.

(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:35, Reply)
I saw on a pro-EDL facebook group someone said "Give the muslim person a poppy, if they don't accept it, they're not british and should be deported".
Then RNUK (from /talk) came up with this gem.

"We'll have an Anti "Steve is a Nonce" day"... the EDL guy's name was steve.... "Everyone called Steve has to wear a red armband to stand in solidartiy against peadofilia. You're all against Peadofilia anyway, so it's not a problem, and if you don't accept the armband, then we know where you stand, and you should be locked up".
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 11:44, Reply)
I'm not muslim
and I'm not very found on poppies. I don't like the poppy day and I don't give money when they ask for it; because I don't like wars and I prefer to support other causes that I think are better.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:07, Reply)
Although I can see your point, I disagree.
War is sometimes nessary, not for land or oil or whatever, but for people. The whole Arab Springs are amazing good for the the people of their country, and I hope it happens more and more. Even with Iraq, going in there under false pretences, I still think taking Hussain and his party/family out was a good thing for the people.

I really think someone needs to sort out Simarlia and Yemin, they're beyond horrific places.
(, Fri 7 Oct 2011, 12:15, Reply)

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