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So Emanuelle is dead
What's the best porn?
Also the energy supply system is broken, what would you change about it?
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:08,
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Hedge porn.
To both questions.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:12,
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Wanking hand dynamos
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:13,
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Donkey
The complexity of tariffs and the pain of switching suppliers
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:12,
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It's easy these days, I just switched to Scottish Power and it's been extemely simple
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:20,
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A BIT LIKE YOU
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:22,
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Speaking as a hippy, I advocate greener forms of energy production.
We should put wind turbines in the back gardens of everyone who thinks they are a blot on the landscape.
I'd quite like some solar panels, but can't afford it.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:19,
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wind power is pointless, ugly and shit
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:20,
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A BIT LIKE YOU!
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:20,
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Wind power is the second best renewable energy we have
after hydroelectric, but there's only so many valeys we can fill up with water.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:29,
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I had a long trip from MK to Norwich then to Nottingham last week,
I was suprised to see how many houses are starting to get solar panels on their roofs.
I wonder how much it would cost/produce for a whole city to have them put on.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:20,
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A mate of mine has been running a company installing them in Devon
Now the government has taken away the subsidies though so financially they are less attractive
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:21,
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A BIT LIKE YOU!
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:21,
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They removed 50% of the electricity price when selling back to the grid, I believe
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:22,
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there was a grant to get them installled and yes you can sell any excess back to the leccy companies
still takes years and years to break even though
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:23,
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I saw a few adverts that mentioned about 7-10 years.
Still a good investment I think
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:23,
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That's a very good investment on a large scale
a very shit investment for an individual.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:24,
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Depends on how long they last really
If you were guaranteed 20-25 years then they would be very good
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:25,
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exactly
those who do it, do it for green reasons not finacial ones
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:26,
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I bet this confuses the hell out of you, eh?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:27,
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It really does
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:31,
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Weren't they forced to reinstate that?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:22,
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genuinely don't know
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:23,
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I don't see why builders aren't compelled to include them as standard on all new buildings.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:24,
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THIS^
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:25,
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I think it's because as a blanket "every roof" rule it would be a waste of money.
If it was purely the south facing ones which aren't in shadow by trees etc, then it would be worth it.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:26,
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This is why my house doesn't have them
Roof faces East-West. Shame really as it has a large sq footage
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:27,
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Details.
I come up with the ideas, you guys make it work. Yeah?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:27,
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I wonder what the generation rate is like when it isn't sunny
Not something you could 100% rely on in Britain
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:29,
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Clouds don't prevent all UV light from getting through though, do they?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:30,
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clouds have little effect on PV as far as I remember.
But rain does.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:31,
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because the long term energy consumption from construction
and demand for scarce materials invovled in said construction, outweighs any actual benefit it almost all cases, mostly by huge amounts.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:34,
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I want solutions from you scientists, not further problems.
Make it work please.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:37,
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I'm got a sideline in luminescence downshifting of natural sunlight to improve growth of algae
for nutrition, CO2 mitigation and potential biofuel production.
does that help your inner hippy?
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:14,
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Needs a catchier name.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:19,
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CUNTBUSTER.
it's not relevant, I just like the word.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:27,
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I'm entertained by the uproar against wind turbines
by the same people who will fight tooth and nail to keep an old windmill
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:20,
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I like wind turbines to be honest.
I think they're attractive, much nicer than say Pylons.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:23,
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So do I
There are a few on the A19 near Hartlepool that are FUCKING MASSIVE
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:24,
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I don't understand people getting stroppy about them
but they're at best ineffective as a solution. If you covered every square inch of land in the UK with a turbine you wouldn't come close to covering the UK energy demand.
They have a place in that having some is better than nothing, but the only reason both the UK and Scottish governments are so obsessed is that they never bothered to properly investigate alternatives and they are now fucked as it's too late to meet their own green targets any other way. In the case of Scotland, the target can't be met at all, as there isn't enough turbine manufacturing capacity in the world to cover the stupid targets that Salmond set.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:31,
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It would be worth it to annoy the NIMBYs like Nakers though.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:34,
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Won't work
You can't drill more than 15 feet underground in London without it costing £150m and impeding the movement of every single wheeled object within twenty miles.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:32,
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Last I looked wind turbines weren't underground
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:40,
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No wonder they are failing to generate sufficient energy for our needs.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:41,
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The kind that's on when I'm wanking
Invade Saudi Arabia and steal their oil
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:19,
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Just drill underground from Cambridge and steal it that way
They will then blame Iran and kick fuck out of each other
Problem solved
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:24,
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You mean child porn?
You disgust me, you filthy nonce.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:25,
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disgust tumesce
filth sex
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:29,
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Not convinced that is a verb.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:31,
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It is now
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:32,
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I tumesce
you tumesce
he/she/it tumesceseses.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:33,
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Re-nationalise it
Along with water.
Only this country could have flogged off life's essentials to other countries for a song, losing control and long-term stability as a result. No private company will take on the risk of *any* new power generation without it being substantially underwritten by the taxpayer anyway, so exactly how "private " is it?
The best porn is unintentionally funny porn.
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localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:22,
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We should squeeze teh fat out of the obsese an burn it
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:22,
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Wire up gym machines to the national grid
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:23,
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We'll run the country on sweat and smug
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:24,
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Croissant prices will rocket!
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:25,
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This could work
I can maintain about 300 watts on an exercise bike. That would be enough for two light bulbs and possibly some left over to charge my Ipod.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:30,
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Good porn is where you find it
Bad porn is everywhere, am not a fan of the whole kicking the back doors into some dead eyed, silicone enhanced, peroxide blonde with a crack habit thing that seems so prevalent these days.
Yep, broken energy policy is broken. The only way to solve it would involve a TARDIS and bundle of spare cash in the 1980s/1990s to invest in nuclear fusion and thorium reactors. Still, I could always fit a dynamo to my bicycle.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:29,
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Thorium isn't the saviour of all things that everyone seems to think it is.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:30,
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Everyone keeps hammering on about it
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:31,
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are you thorial-man? (thorium/for real)
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:32,
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There was a report put out recently by the Uk's nuclear boffins which says
Yeah it could be good, but it's not worth investing it because the two times it's ever worked it wasn't efficient.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:32,
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STOP!
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:33,
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Evidence please
If it's solely based on your own opinion then it doesn't count.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:33,
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Sounds a lot more like our government is hedging its bets
"It is important to recognise that worldwide there remains interest in thorium fuel cycles and this is not likely to diminish in the near future," the report says. "It may therefore be judicious for the UK to maintain a low level of engagement in thorium fuel cycle research and development by involvement in international collaborative research activities."
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:55,
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Not quite sure how she could help, really
It would make us all feel a bit better about it though

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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:31,
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*moves to defcon bongle*
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:33,
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*already there*
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:36,
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*horns*
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:03,
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Cold fusion is a crock of bollocks.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:32,
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Why is that?
Genuinely interested
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:33,
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Thermodynamics
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:34,
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What the MKone said ^
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:36,
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Why though?
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:37,
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Is that one word not explanation enough for you, man?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:38,
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No
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:39,
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Thermodynamics. Innit.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:41,
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The threshold energy for fusion to occur is very high..
you have to force the atomic nuclei together, ain't gonna happen at room temperature. Hot fusion involves plasma so "hot" that atoms are ripped apart.
The people trying cold fusion reckon some sort of catalyst would lower the threshold, if so no-one's discovered it yet.
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localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:46,
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reckon some sort of catalyst would lower the threshold, if so no-one's discovered it yet. are attention-seeking charlatans.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:48,
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clickin dis right here.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:49,
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there is an energy barrier to be overcome in all chemical reactions
it's pretty fucking high in fusion. You need to put a cock load of energy in to get a bigger cockload out.
That's pretty tricky at room temperature.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:47,
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I do hope this is how you explain things in your lectures at work.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:48,
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pretty much.
I'm probably a bit swearier than should be reasonably expected of a lecturer.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:26,
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Hot fusion would be nice...
...need to get the bathwater to temperature somehow.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:34,
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ah, right so.
I'm still not in any way convinced it's a solution. There's not that much wrong with fission that will be solved by hot fusion, either
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:36,
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You mean apart from the hugely toxic side products that occur from fission and that simply don't exist with fusion?
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:41,
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yeah, but I'll take toxic products (which, despite the wailing of hippies, we are pretty adept at dealing with)
over the inherent instability and associated danger of fusion. Well, maybe not take it, but at least accept there are pros and cons.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:44,
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*wails*
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:46,
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A fusion reaction cannot accelerate out of control, you cut off the supply of fuel and the reactions cease
Unlike with a fission reactor, where if you aren't careful with the control rods, you'll wind up burning a radioactive hole through the Earth's crust if it all goes pears.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:47,
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I'm pretty sure the "you just cut off the fuel supply and..."
was an argument used in development of fission reactors.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:50,
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No it wasn't.
Or if it was, it was an argument made by people who don't understand how fission reactors work and therefore whose opinions are totally invalid.
I don't try and argue against complex brain surgery techniques for exactly the same reason.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:53,
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fission stops if you no longer have enough material to sustain a chain decay reaction.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:54,
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Why are you talking dirty to me?
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:56,
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because it's science chat and I fancy you.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:57,
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But that happens a long time after you're dead and charcoally.
with fusion all that happens is it stops and you are left with a big pile of water.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:58,
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I definitely don't know this, so it's just a straight-up question
given the "issue" with fission is that the reaction becomes a chain until it runs out of fuel, and the fusion could do the same, how is fusion safer? I get that you could control the fuel feed in a fusion system which you obviously can't in a fission one because of the whole critical mass thing, but theoretically anything smaller than iron can fuse and release energy. If we build a fucking big one, isn't there a risk assoicated with things other than the fuel fusing? and what if a fuel supply cutoff fails?
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:02,
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Fusion doesn't chain reaction in the same way.
You need to keep the pressure and temperature incredibly high to make teh reaction happen. When it does you end up with a net increase in energy, but if it goes tits up and say your reacion chamber broke, there would be an instantaneous drop in pressure. Now there might be a big fire, but the reaction would stop straight away and therfore not continue fusing.
Plus, the product of fusion is helium, so rather than blowing highly radioactive shit everywhere, you have a bit of a fire and everyone talking in squeaky voices. No harm no foul.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:07,
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I totally get the by-products being safer.
assuming it's just and H to He fusion.
I'm still not convinced at large scale there isn't a serious risk - I guess it depends how interchangable temperature and pressure are as reaction conditions.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:10,
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There is a risk, it could explode and kill all the people in the factory
but what it won't do, what it physically cannot do, is keep burning and reacting and melting the core so it sinks through the Earth's crust, all the while spewing out deadly toxins and irradiating a wide area around the plant, and some of Wales.
So from that point of view, it's immeasurably safer.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:12,
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You have a similar level of risk...
...if you drop a freshly baked McDonald's apple pie onto the pavement.
They're the hottest substance known to science.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:17,
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My labs are only class 2
we can't have McDonalds apple pies in them, the safety handling systems aren't up to it. So I am unable to confirm or deny this.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:22,
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I see that.
I just wonder, for a large reactor, just how big a bang it would be. I mean the explosion might well wipe out a whole city rather than just the factory.
Still, I appreciate, better than a massive radiation leak. Unless, of course, it's in Wales.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:19,
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The answer is therefore obvious!
We build the fucker in Runcorn.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:20,
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Possibly as big as a fission reactor
You wouldn't build it in the city centre, that would be retarded.
You're such a retard.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:20,
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yeah, well, it takes one to know one
and you know perfectly well what I meant.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:22,
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That depends which city centre you have in mind.
I can think of a few which would be made more desirable with the addition of an explodey, hydrogen hot-hot thing.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:25,
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Erm....you know how a fission reactor works don't you?
Just checking.
Worth reading up on how Chernobyl happened, the control rods became jammed in the atomic pile and thus couldn't moderate the reaction.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:53,
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I'm not saying in reality it's physically possibly to stop a fission reaction.
just that theoretically if you remove fuel it'll stop.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:55,
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Practically speaking, if you stop putting fuel pellets into a fusion reactor
It'll stop right away. A fission reactor remains hot for ages after, not to mention that the fuel itself can become flammable and thus cause further contamination - see Calder Hall for more details.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:58,
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If fusion goes wrong it just stops
if fission goes wrong it explodes and you get hot flamy death everywhere.
And I'm not remotely convinced we are in any way "adept" at dealing with nuclear waste. Burying it in a big hole, a hole that they can't dig anywhere because nobody wants it, isn't really dealing with it, it's just pushing it under the carpet.
I'm totally in favour of building a fuck load of new fission plants though, it would make the UK pretty much self reliant. If we did what the french did and just build a standard design several times we'd be creating our own cottage industry too.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:47,
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That instability is not a big issue from my understanding. There's not self sustaining part of a fusion reaction.
It has to be activly managed by magnetic (or laser) compression and removal of the fused products. If you let it carry on it just stops. Nothing like a meltdown.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:47,
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fission curry
fusion not curry
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:45,
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hahahaha!
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:52,
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Thanks sporters
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:56,
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Well, fission is really only feasible for a short period of time as we've only got 80 years of commercially viable Uranium in the ground
Fusion has the advantage of using an abundant source of fuel. From what I've read about it - and the gazzes I've exchanged with a b3tan involved in an experimental fusion reactor project - the main constraint is one of containment. It's more of an engineering problem than a theoretical physics problem.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:44,
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what are you planning to fuel your fusion reactor with, out of interest?
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:45,
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Kittens :(
He's an awful awful man
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:47,
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it's spelt Kityums.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:50,
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Plastascine that you heat in the oven.
Hard as a fucking rock that stuff.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:48,
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Fimo
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:48,
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pricks who play hockey and have gay nicknames
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:49,
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It's not my fusion reactor
I could build a model one out of lego if you'd like? I can fuel it with little bits of lego.
As I understand it, it comes down to sourcing Deuterium, which is very abundant in seawater.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:50,
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which you'll need to extract from seawater.
which needs power. lots of it. it's the same argument as to why hydrogen fuelled cars are a gigantic fucking scam, ecologically and sustainably speaking.
Look, I'm being deliberately facetious here, I'm sure there's something in fusion, I'm just pointing out that there are massive flaws in it, which people somehow brush under the carpet with something that's seen as "the future"
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:52,
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Hydrogen fuelled cars would be great
but it's difficult to store and trasnport the hydrogen, and difficult to manufacture it in situ efficiently.
But solve eitehr of those problems and BAM free electricity.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:54,
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erm, dude
you're made of hydrogen and so is the sea
you don't need to 'manufacture' it
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:56,
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neither of those are the problems at all (well, they are, but not the really big one)
it's impossible to make hydrogen in any quantity without catalytically cracking hydrocarbons. Which a) uses hydrocarbons you could have just burnt in a petrol engine and b) takes place about 1300 centigrade, meaning it uses up just a tiny bit of energy to make it.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:57,
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Turn the thermostat up a bit and BAM!
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:59,
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You can electrolyse water.
Only not very efficiently. Which is one of the points I made above.
Do keep up.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:59,
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The sun also emits a lot of Deuterium
The surface of the moon is covered in the stuff apparently. Of course, we can't sweep all the shit off the streets of London at a reasonable cost, let alone the surface of the moon, so that may be a few decades off just yet.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:02,
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you can't at scale.
using current tech you could probably electrolyse enough water annually to cover about 1% of the private vehicles in London, I think.
And it uses more energy to electrolyse water than you get by burning hydrogen and it always will do, that's not a problem that can be "solved" because it's a fundamental thermodynamic principle. So, it's not free anything. It's a higher cost both financially and in energy terms, it's just a load of smoke and mirrors to make it appear not to be.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:05,
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That is rendered nearly moot if the energy conversion has been done already.
Those fossil fuels required energy input to get to their current state, it just took many millions of years.
If we sweep up solar deuterium from the surface of an asteroid, the sun has already done the hard bit for us.
In theory of course.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:22,
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that might well be fine for a fusion reactor
it's not gonna power a hydrogen car though, which is what we're on about here.
Although, I'm prepared to take at least a small punt that the energy required to get a harvesting vehicle clear of the earth's gravitational pull might be more than you could ever recover from the deuterium it could collect.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:25,
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Well, we already send vehicles with electrolyticly separated hydrogen and oxygen to the moon
Which is a far better use of it than simply cracking it to power millions of cars, wasting gigawatts of energy in the process merely as a sop to the big oil companies who are investing in hydrogen storage technology.
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:39,
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Cracking methane emitted from landfills.
This is another revenue stream that will make me a billionaire.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:04,
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+ once I can persuade someone to invest several million pounds in my not-yet-started start-up company
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:05,
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just run the cars on methane. it burns.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:06,
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only the really hot ones
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:12,
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It's not emmited consistantly
and a lot of it leaks away. It's not gonna work.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:14,
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Tell me about it
Someone in my office is fucking leaking a lot of it right now
:-(
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:18,
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alright then anerobic digestors.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:24,
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These are a great idea
and should be used everywhere. As should waste incinerators.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:33,
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Fully agree
doing some stuff with the whisky industry up here associated with that. About the only downside of AD units is that they don't handle high protein levels very well so you have to be selective about the food waste you put it them. But otherwise they're a no-brainer.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:38,
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I agree, they kick out a decent amount of heat as well.
I wonder if there's much study about the ideal size for them.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:38,
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fucking shitloads of studies, yep
they are fairly flexible, although too big and the heat is a problem. Plus, they self-poison.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:41,
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There was a piece a few years back
about a guy who signed up for every piece of junk mail he could, and then every morning loaded it into a device that compressed it into bricks and used them to power his furnace.
Not practical on a large scale, I suspect.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:38,
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Shhhh, don't tell people what i do for a living!
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:46,
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pfft
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:50,
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Although I think he's talking about hot fusion, which is doable but not self sustaining yet.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:34,
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Coincidentally, hot fusion is my favourite kind of porn.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:39,
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Does it involve hot girls saying the word "Tokamak"?
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Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:45,
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It's basically normal porn, but with Bitches Brew as the soundtrack.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:51,
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Hunt sperm whales and used the oil in their heads in lanterns
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:35,
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Change bars with the "2-for-1" buttons to grate fat people when pressed
Then burn them like tallow
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:39,
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We should devise a magma turbine that harnesses the natural heat and movement of our earth's outer mantel
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:43,
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They should just install one of the those spinny things above a volcano
I've seen them as christmas decorations and a candle makes it spin really fast, so a volcano would be fucking epic, just attach the spinny thing to a dynamo and BAM, instant free electricity. No wucking furries.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:45,
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they have those on some geothermal vents
there's a table here;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_electricity#Worldwide_production
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:47,
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MOAR geothermal vents!!
1 per household, when your warm enough just pop the lid on
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:48,
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again, you're almost talking sense here
some people have a vaguely similar set up, whereby a pipe drilled down very very deep heats their water for them and is pumped back up to heat their home
crazy eh?
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:50,
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Heat exchange is the easy non geothermal way
But it's like magic I have no idea how it works
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:52,
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GROUND MAKE WATER HOT
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:53,
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BOOM
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:54,
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*shakes room*
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localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:08,
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It's very easy to do
provided you live above somewhere with a lot of groundwater. It won't make electricity but it will easily warm your home.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:55,
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stop stealing my ideas, i've patented it you know
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:57,
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This is the best idea yet
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localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:50,
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If you coupled this with a volcano lair, I can fully get behind this.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:07,
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Alright
I've just been called a racist by Al over on that other internet and I thought I'd come over here for a top-up. How's you lot?
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:53,
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I'm very inefficient today, probably as I have a tan at the moment
How are you Noel old bean?
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:54,
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Fucking ace at the moment ta, got new shit going on which is very pleasing indeed.
You wanna hire yourself some female Asians mate, they'll properly sort you out. How's the sprog?
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:56,
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Leave his sprog alone, you raging paedo.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:59,
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HURRAH!
I work in a nursery.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:00,
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She's excellent, hilarious, sweet, learning fast. All the things you want really!
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:00,
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Awesome, nice work.
Although I assume the missus is doing all the actual work while you loll on the sofa with your hand in your pants watching Auction Hunters.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:01,
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i'm absolutely certain there is no 'lolling' of any kind at naked ape's house
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:03,
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I actually had to look that up to make sure I hadn't made up a word.
How's your shit Q?
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:05,
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firm and regular
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:06,
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Type?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_stool_scale
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:08,
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2/3
why the interest in my bowels?
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:09,
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Tastiest bit.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:14,
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and how are you?
how's school?
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:17,
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I'm improving, which is great.
School is fucking amazing, I think I'll be in childcare for the rest of my life.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:20,
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hey don't put yourself down
after a few exams you might pass and then they'll let you out into the adult world
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:22,
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Ah, the dream.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:27,
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Not at all, I take over basically when I get home. Deal with bath and bedtime
Means we get to spend some time together.
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:06,
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I know this, because grudgingly you appear to be a good person.
Apart from all that internet shit, you know.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:07,
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Ta mate, tbh while it's hard work it's incredibly rewarding so it's it hard to motivate oneself!
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:09,
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The complete opposite of you.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:01,
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She's a lucky girl
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:06,
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I'm sorry Noel, i'd find it much easier to refrain form doing that if you weren't such a racist.
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:56,
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I'm a terribly easy target, it's true.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:58,
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Free porn is the best.
Mummy porn is shockingly bad.
We should have more hydroelectricity. The Severn Bore would be a good start, and there must be loads of potential for water power in Scotland. And wind power.
Doesn't Norway have something like 90% sustainable power?
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:56,
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there's more than one bore in Severn!
hahahahaha!
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:58,
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That's no way to talk about popular /OT poster JeffTheDogFucker.
Shame on you, Q.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:59,
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Do you mean MILF or, like, bandages and rotting flesh?
Cos you know either way I'm in.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:00,
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we should put fatties in hamster wheels
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:59,
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I've got a note.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:01,
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don't worry, i'll get you one of those funky new hamster wheels that's basically a sloped roundabout, so you don't catch your tail
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:02,
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Hamsters don't have tails you IDIOT.
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:07,
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gerbils do, and i don't think gerbil wheel sounds right
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:08,
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Our cat ate my bro's gerbil
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:10,
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your mum ate my dad's cock
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:11,
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Your dad doesn't have a cock you IDIOT!
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:12,
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COS YOUR MUM ATE IT
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:16,
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Who is Emanuelle?
Soft Core,
I don't think i can really be bothered, my bills aren't extortionate, and although i keep being told I can save £100 a year by switching, I'd feel kinda guilty, as the people I'm with came and fitted free insulation for us in the new house, and moved our gas spur for no cost during the renovation, and don't mind if i ring them and say "can't pay this month, mind if it waits a couple of weeks?" and they alwat say that it's fine. I don't if i would get that service somewhere else, so until i can't afford to eat due to my heating bill, fuck it.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:15,
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save gas, fart in a jar.
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mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:16,
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save electricity, they keep it locked up in wires for days at a time
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:19,
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You favour softcore porn and yet you don't know who Emmanuelle is?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:17,
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Someone's going to have fun googling tonight.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:18,
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I just got home,
I'm going to google it RIGHT NOW!!!
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:18,
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It's what she would have wanted.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:20,
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Emanuelle and the last of the Cannibals looks fun.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:21,
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Emanuelle in space is the best.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:23,
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ORLY?
what else do you wank to, psychochomp?
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:28,
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Anything based in space.
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PsychoChomp, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:32,
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aren't we all?
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:36,
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The Clangers?
Even someone whistling must give you defcon bongle.
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localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:41,
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So is this
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19988311
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:28,
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Haha
Did you ever read the Roald Dahl book My Uncle Oswald?
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:32,
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I have
absolute filth. \o/
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:34,
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No
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Bazongaloid, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:34,
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It is probably best enjoyed when you are about 13.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:44,
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Interns doing fact checking I reckon
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:33,
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gonzo
I reckon coal is the way forward.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:22,
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they always say that fossil fuels aren't sustainable
but surely new fossils are being made every day?
stupid scientists
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:26,
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I don't really know any scientists to ask them.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:30,
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mighty badger is a scientist
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quintsy, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:30,
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No offence, but the last thing I want to see is gonzo porn.
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Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:28,
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It's basically scat
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:30,
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this reply isn't getting nearly enough credit.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:40,
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Not the bagshitting b3tan
Or the perennially failing muppet.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:32,
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I don't like the Muppets anyway
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localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:32,
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it's just gonz eating some smoked salmon parcels and wanking over hollyoaks.
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mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:32,
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_pornographyI did only pick it for the hilarious misunderstanding possibilities.
Pity about the hilarious part.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:35,
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Can also be referred to as Point Of View pornography
but then we're into Anne Robinson territory and only Darth can maintain a bongle there.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:41,
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...and I'm spent
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:35,
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New thread someone
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:40,
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