Is she in Wales? Watch out if she is, they'll have her non cancer ridden organs out before she's cold.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:14, 1 reply, 12 years ago)

So what?
Organ donation is a good thing.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:17, Reply)

They won't use cancer patients organs anyway. Either their riddled with cancer, drenched in chemo or radioactive.

(PsychoChomp, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:19, Reply)

Yeah! And I bet they do it caerphilly there

( Reginald Donkeyfuck, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:19, Reply)

You'd think that, but I've seen a leeked document

( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:37, Reply)

Nothing wrong. If you've given consent.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:20, Reply)

Which is why consent is assumed unless you take steps to say you don't.
There is nothing wrong with this situation at all.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:22, Reply)

Wasn't it 'assumed consent' that got chompy into trouble?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:25, Reply)

Ha ha

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:27, Reply)

Whilst I'm largely for organ donation and won't be personally opting out if they introduce it over here
I'm not sure I entirely like the undertone that the law carries with it, which is that the state owns your organs unless told otherwise.
( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:27, Reply)

This.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:27, Reply)

The NHS isn't the state.

(PsychoChomp, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:28, Reply)

It's in a fucking state
\o/
( hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:30, Reply)

Mmmmm....that's some good satire

( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:30, Reply)

chomps is like the best wing man EVAH
he sets them up..........
( hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:31, Reply)

Regardless, the idea is that the legal owner of the organs
isn't the person that grew them unless they specifically say that they want to hang onto them.
( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:30, Reply)

Even If that's true, what does it matter?
You're dead. You don't need them, someone else does. Until they start taking them from me while I'm alive, I couldn't give a shit.
( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:32, Reply)

Some people will have a problem with a recently deceased person being harvested
for whatever's still of value. It's rather...mucky, ethically speaking.
( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:34, Reply)

True, people of a spiritiual or religious bent are going to have a problem with this
And that's fine...they have the choice to opt out. I guess that's who this whole thing is about. The people that DON'T want to leave their organs.
( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:35, Reply)

It isn't at all mucky ethically speaking.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:36, Reply)

In my mind, the undertone is that they want to ensure that plenty of organs are available in order to save lives
I don't think it's as entirely cloak & dagger as the press want us to believe.
( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:29, Reply)

Sure, I'm not against it as a concept.
But I can understand the problem some people have with it. It is a rather dictatorial move. Whether the intentions are good or not doesn't stop it being so.
( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:31, Reply)

If they weren't giving us the option of opting out, I'd agree, but they are.
They're giving us the option.
( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:34, Reply)

I don't want to get all conspiratorial over it because I genuinely don't believe this is a bad move,
I'm just saying I can see why certain people might have an issue with it.

Suppose large numbers of people opt out, would they cancel the law or cancel the right to opt out? The precedent is already in place that shows the legality of the NHS or the state owning your kidneys. The argument will be, as now, that a living person needs a dead person's organs more than the original owner. Suddenly the population has lost control of what happens to their own bodies after death.

Again, I'm not against the law. I'm not suggesting that I seriously believe the above will occur. I'm just saying I can kind of get why people might not be altogether welcoming over it.
( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:38, Reply)

But that's not the law, and that wouldn't become the law because the element of consent will always be kept
You could just as easily suggest that, what if they change the law to make everyone where clear plastic clothes in case you carry a hidden weapon. Yes, theoretically it could happen if all the MPs decided to vote for it, but in reality it would never happen. Same with organ donation, there will always be the option of consent.

This simply makes it more likely that people who don't have a problem with it, but who didn't bother getting a donor card, will end up donating their organs.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:41, Reply)

It's not though, is it?
You still have a choice, your family can still opt out after you are dead.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:35, Reply)

This is the problem
A lot of people I've heard complaing about this are saying "MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE MY ORGANS TO SOMEONE"...well that's what this initiative is about. Giving you the choice to opt out. What more can they do?
( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:36, Reply)

Unless you're a tinfoil hat wearing fuckhead
it's perfectly obvious that this provides a benefit with no downside. I daresay people who take Captain Placids view that if someone asks you to do something you will refuse out sheer cuntymindedness will get their knickers in a twist, but the vast majority of people will see this for what it is, an attempt to allow very sick people a chance of living.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:35, Reply)

the downside is going to be when someone hasn't given consent and the family of the deceased is devastated when only a shell of a human is returned to them

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:51, Reply)

I have a donor card in my wallet, but I very rearly carry my wallet with me.
Time is quite important for harvesting your organs, they are welcome to mine after death, I would hate to think that process was hindered by this and that someone would be deprived of what I could give after death
( hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:55, Reply)

They won't know will they,

(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:55, Reply)

of course they will, taking the organs and not telling anyone is fucking creepy

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:56, Reply)

Also, I'm pretty sure the family can still remove consent after death if they are such selfish cunts.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:57, Reply)

I might opt out just to annoy you.

( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 13:01, Reply)

there is a jodi piccoult book about a little girl who needs a heart transplant
and the available match is from a convict on death row

quite interesting reading
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 13:03, Reply)

But what's left isn't the person.
The person is gone. What's left behind just *looks like the person.

Unless they died of something horrific, in which case it quite often doesn't.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:59, Reply)

I reckon if you're bothered enough by it, then you'd pipe up.
I'd rather someone feel uncomfortable at someone knicking their wobbly bits than someone with broken wobbly bits goes dead.

I don't reckon this is the same as property and assets though, i'd be upset if they get returned to the needy.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:43, Reply)

Can I opt out of giving mine to a brown person?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:45, Reply)

or a poor person who has destroyed their liver and lungs with high strength cider and cheap fags?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:47, Reply)

or anyone fat

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:52, Reply)

i do not get why anyone is dumb enough to smoke in this day and age - it's expensive, looks bad, stinks, makes you a dreadful kisser because you taste like shit, and it's bad for you
if smokers realised how genuinely offensive they smell, i wonder if they'd do it. the lifts in this place reek of it, however hard the poor cleaners work.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:55, Reply)

Especially rollies yeah? Am I right? rollies?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:57, Reply)

I'm going to smoke rollies when I go to a festival.
It's what I do.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:57, Reply)

rollies look worse
but are they worse - i guess it depends if you put filters in them or not
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:58, Reply)

One of my ex-girlfriends enjoyed watching me smoke
though I didn't enjoy it much. Put a weird sort of performance anxiety on me "am I smoking this right? does it look good? oh god I hope she doesn't notice that I'm finding this really weird and uncomfortable".

True story.
( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:58, Reply)

she was imagining you sucking a really small penis

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:59, Reply)

Well, she had to put p with doing that for realsies, so I guess that's fair enough.

( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 13:00, Reply)

that is fucking weird
almost as weird as going out with you in the first place
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:59, Reply)

There could possibly be an addiction element

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 13:43, Reply)