What do you think about this?
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/5582675/New-Look-charges-2-more-for-plus-size-jeans.html

I think it's fair enough to charge more if more material is involved. Similarly the M&S saga last month because they use different materials and engineering in their larger bras to make them supportive.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:15, 86 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

I slightly disagree with the bra thing
I struggle a lot to find any within a decent price range. They charge more just because they can.
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:18, Reply)

But the larger size bra's have to be made in a different way to ones for smaller breasts
I know M&S backed down on it, but then they have different ranges and prices are reflected through them.

Have you tried Bravissimo and figleaves out of interest? A lot of my larger bosomed friends shop there and have lovely underwear.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:24, Reply)

I would go so far as to say women on low incomes with very large boobs should get an allowance for bras.
It's not their fault they are big and a good fitting bra for big boobs is very expensive.
( girlinthehole, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:28, Reply)

and tampax/mooncups
but not just for larger boobed women. Why they need to tax what is essentially a necessary item for most women is ridiculous.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:29, Reply)

Ive ALWAYS wondered about this....
How do really poor people afford it?
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:36, Reply)

I've no idea, food stamps maybe?

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:44, Reply)

I whole heartedly agree

(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:29, Reply)

Agreed. I get a massive cock subsidy, so its only fair.
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:29, Reply)

Bravissimo is one of the worst for extortion
£35 for a bra?!? No thank you Im off to Asda. I have bought from there before and they never last more than a couple of months. Waste of my hard earned pennies.
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:28, Reply)

I didn't think they made them very big in Asda
I tried Primark and Tescos for my own, but they don't do my size.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:30, Reply)

The Katie Price range.. oh yes.
It just annoys me that people can just flounce into New Look and stroll out with pretty bras for less than a tenner.
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:32, Reply)

I can't and I'm a size 8-10
they don't do my cupsize :(
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:33, Reply)

yep thats what I am
She goes up to a G I think... Blimey if you cant get into that baby Jesus must have blessed you well.
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:35, Reply)

Jesus, are they pretty bra's at least? I've never seen them, but I don't have an asda near me
I'm a 30/32D and they only ever go up to C cup.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:39, Reply)

Yeah she does :)
Im 32F and they're quite small fitting so you might even have to go up a size. I have to anyway...
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:45, Reply)

I might take a look in there :)

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:50, Reply)

I have one bra shop available to me,
and because of my size and my sternum (mentioned below - it protrudes), I frequently have to shell out 35 quid for a bra that doesn't even last. :(
(Poppet some assembly required., Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:41, Reply)

You have the internet available to you as well

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:45, Reply)

I know but the problem is I need them fitted,
because my xyphoid process (the end bit of my sternum) actually really does protrude enough that the slightest wrong shape or length of wire really hurts. So if I want to buy a new bra I have to be fitted every single time. It shits me.
(Poppet some assembly required., Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:51, Reply)

Most places will let you return them at no cost if they're not the right size and try another one.
surely that's got to be better than wearing ugly bras?
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:02, Reply)

they don't generally do that where I am.
the last time I wanted to buy a bra, I saw this absolutely gorgeous one that I would have loved to have been able to wear, and I went home nearly in tears because not one of the bras I actually liked fitted at all. I had to buy a nanna bra. Again.
I dunno - it just makes me feel so pathetic wearing them! it's like "hey - your body is a reject - have a nanna bra for your trouble!"
(Poppet some assembly required., Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:08, Reply)

Women shouldn't be penalised because of their size.
They should incorporate the cost of the larger ranges within the whole store range.
( girlinthehole, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:22, Reply)

I don't think it's fair. Someone who buys something in say size 8 is getting a fraction of their money's worth for someone who buys it in size 18
and before someone says they don't make the same clothes in those sizes, M&S do.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:25, Reply)

/Devils advocate
But men should?

:edit: Actually I guess you're referring to bras rather than the trousers.

WILL NOBODY THINK OF THE TRANSVESTITES?!
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:26, Reply)

it's stupid,
the cost of materials is minimal in the cost of making clothes.
They're doing this either to get lots of press or to con fat chicks out of food money.
(PsychoChomp, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:23, Reply)

Seems a bit shit to me
The cost of the material is going to be a very small part of the cost of selling a pair of jeans. The majority of the cost will be labour and other fixed costs that vary by such a small amount between sizes that it'd be impossible to work out an accurate figure.

If material were such a big issue, and they really wanted to take is seriously, they'd label their garments with the number of meters of fabric used (so consumers didn't feel like they were being ripped off) and use some sort of sliding scale.
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:25, Reply)

That's why I mentioned the bra thing
a lot more design knowhow has gone into creating larger bras that will be properly supportive and wont gape or create the 4boob syndrome.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:27, Reply)

This is where it makes more sense
But I suspect a lot of the work they do on larger bras gets incorporated into smaller sizes (where it's appropriate) to make better bras across the range.

Should people with a larger bust be subsidising the advancement of bra technology for everybody else?

There's probably some bollocks in there somewhere. I don't think M&S went about it the right way though. If they'd introduced more pricing bands rather than just "normal" and "too big" it'd probably have had a warmer reception as it would've seemed less like discrimination towards people who wear large bras and more like they were trying to have their prices genuinely reflect development costs.
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:33, Reply)

But that technology hasn't gone into the smaller size bras though as it's just not needed.
I think them making a big hoo haa about it was a bit stupid though as it brought about a massive outcry from women (and men) who hadn't realised they were paying more than smaller boobed women were. To say, Oh look at us, we're so generous, we're going to stop charging more because we're awesome, just prompted bad feeling.

When I worked there we had some of the bra designers come in to tell us all about how bras were made and it was fascinating.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:38, Reply)

Really?
I'd have thought it'd have found it's way into the middle of the road sizes or perhaps it's just not needed there.

/Doesn't understand bra technology very well
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:45, Reply)

I'm not sure, not being a plus size girl,
but I make a lot of my own clothes and material cost really isn't relevent in proportion to the time cost.
I figure if it costs more time to make the jeans, then yeah, charge a little more, but other wise it's just bullshit. It's just making the pattern size larger really.
(Poppet some assembly required., Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:27, Reply)

It's not my fault I have an ample bosom.
If I could get the fuckers chopped off, I would.
So NO to expensiver bras.
However, I can see the argument for clothes. I don't agree, but I can see.
( thealternativefact, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:32, Reply)

I'm with becky on this
Bras make sense. Typical clothes don't unless we're talking about particularly high tech or expensive materials.

*enjoys bosom*
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:35, Reply)

So I should be penalised for something I didn't choose?

( thealternativefact, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:36, Reply)

I shouldn't have a right to the throne because I didn't chose to be "common"?
I should have to pay for clothes because society generally finds public nudity unacceptable?

I should contribute taxes to causes I chose not to support?

Why should your bra cost the same as a smaller one if yours costs more to design, test and manufacture? Why should the price of smaller bras be artificially inflated to make you feel better because everybody pays the same price?

/Cannot actually say whether larger bras do cost significantly more to design or not.
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:40, Reply)

Your argument is rather weak and silly.
*bows out*
( thealternativefact, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:42, Reply)

Well the first three points I was just being silly
But the serious one makes sense.
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:43, Reply)

The 1st two points are a choice you have made
Last one is circumstance. Unless you had your boobies put in by a man in a hospital. But then if you can afford a boob job then Im sure you wouldnt be too bothered about shelling out to house them well


EDIT: and you have a right to the throne by blood you berk.
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:53, Reply)

Ok
So I shouldn't have I right to the throne because I didn't choose my blood?

I'm not sure how the nudist one is much of a choice. If I wanted to be nudist, all the time, I'd get done for indecent exposure. Doesn't leave me with much of a choice really.

The tax one is sort of a choice but not much of one. Whatever I chose I have to pay taxes towards things that I don't support and nothing towards some causes I believe should be supported by taxes. Whoever I chose to vote for this will be the case.

I wasn't saying that people with large boobs should suffer the consequences of their choices but that sometimes life just deals you lemons. If it does cost more to develop (the extra material cost is negligible) a large bra then why should people that don't need those bras subsidise them?
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:06, Reply)

Well unfortunately you're not related to David Hasslehoff or my mum either (I hope) If everyone had a right to the throne it would all get a bit messy wouldnt it. It was decided like that to keep order. You could go and contest it if you wish. I dont think you'd get very far though.

As for the taxes one, you chose to or not to support.
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:17, Reply)

I think you're missing my point with the taxes
And you're right about who has a right to the throne but are again missing the point. I didn't chose to have no right to the throne, but I don't, I deal with the consequences.

People with a large bust didn't (mostly) chose to need a bra that (supposedly) costs more to design, but they do need that bra...
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:20, Reply)

No, not at all, but on the same note, why should small boobed women have to pay the same as large boobed women when they're getting less material

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:41, Reply)

I'm a big girl and even if I starved myself I would still be a big skinny girl.
I could never get any smaller than a size 16 without really being very ill so why should I have to pay extra for clothes because of the way I was born.
( girlinthehole, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:35, Reply)

No, I do agree with you.
Just saying I could see why someone might argue differently.
I know full well I could easily diet down to a 12, and I probably should - I guess that could be seen as a 'choice'.
But the amount of money involved in making clothes bigger is negligible, so I don't see why they should charge more.
( thealternativefact, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:38, Reply)

Big cars should be the same price as small ones?
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:06, Reply)

and I have the opposite problem,
my boobs are big, but my sternum protrudes a bit - so I actually end up paying a fuckload more for my bras then most women I know because most bras in my size cut into my sternum and hurt - a lot. And this means the bras I want to buy, the prettier, nicer ones which actually cost less, are out of my reach - and I end up having to buy the ugly bras with the nanna straps and pay twice as much.
(Poppet some assembly required., Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:39, Reply)

well
People who are a size 28 and weigh a million stone... That in some way or another will probably be their/their parents fault. No-one is born morbidly obese its a lifestyle choice to follow your 8 pizzas and 3 KFC mega buckets with 6 bars of chocolate and a gallon of ice cream.

I, however, was born with large bresticles so I should not be punished with excessive prices for how nature wanted me to look.

But Ive got a size 18-20 friend and I dont really see her as bigger than most. Maybe its body shape. I dont know... Oh I appear to be rambling.
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:44, Reply)

I have big feet and my shoes cost a bit more sometimes and I have to pay more for socks... I didn't ask for big feet but I don't expect anyone but me to pay for their accommodation.

If you want to take the argument back to its most basic level, I didn't ask to be born, so why should I pay for my own food?
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:53, Reply)

Now thats just silly.
that is beyond a reasonable argument
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:59, Reply)

It is until you think about it :)
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:04, Reply)

Well not really
but I suppose if you dont eat you will die so your argument will come full circle.

And you dont technically have to pay to eat. Go at it Ray Mears style if you're going to be picky...
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:10, Reply)

You don't have to wear a bra
...
( Captain V, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:13, Reply)

and then suffer back problems and droopy boobs long before their time

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:15, Reply)

Yes... but at that level you don't have to wear a bra (etc) either.

Fact is, saying by nature I am bigger than someone else and therefore require more fuel/clothing etc is unlikely to qualify me for a subsidy in any current society. Do you think we should discount clothing for dwarves?
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:17, Reply)

They could probably get away with kids clothes.
Even I can fit into them. AND they're cheaper than adults clothes... hmmm
(i should have joined myspace, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:19, Reply)

No, they should be shot at birth instead

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:20, Reply)

These are rational and sensible responses and should be added to the bible.
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:21, Reply)

Guys dont pay more when they pop up a few sizes, as a rule (some exceptions). Seems a bit unfair women have to. But then again its all geared against women anyway... check out the difference in dry cleaning costs for a blouse v a shirt, a mans haircut v womans etc.
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:40, Reply)

I miss my £4 haircuts at the barber : (
Damn my girly hair.
( girlinthehole, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:42, Reply)

Don't get me started on women's haircuts...

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 12:42, Reply)

One of my mates is a plastics chemist
and worked on a plastic for underwired bras. It's apparently quite a tricky problem to get a plastic with enough of the right qualities of metal wire.

Some of the final product presentations he had to go for a lie down after though.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:09, Reply)

lie down wank.
(Poppet some assembly required., Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:14, Reply)

Yes.
I was just brought up better than to come right out with it in public.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:16, Reply)

I was very pleased
At the mentioning of bra sizes in this thread. Keep it up!
Oh and it cost me £11 just to have my head shaved! It's just as bad for men!
(Dangerous Disco Trev Isn't my real name, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:11, Reply)

Try paying upwards of £35 to get your hair cut every 6 weeks
or have shit looking hair.

Or if you work in central London and the only place you have time to get your hair cut is at the Toni and guy across the road and get shafted to the tune of £78 for a cut that isn't even that great. Fucking glad I don't work there anymore
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:15, Reply)

I do have shit hair in fairness
but some of my more metrosexual friends pay around that much and much more frequently than every six weeks. I'd shave my own head if I wasn't such a cack handed mongoloid. But yeah on the behalf of image conscious men everywhere hair is no longer just extortionate for women!
(Dangerous Disco Trev Isn't my real name, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:22, Reply)

Six weeks is the longest I can go before one of my friends takes my photo and sticks it up on facebook to make me aware of the fact that it looks THAT shit.
Most men do not pay that much, lets face it.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:25, Reply)

True.
But most of my friends are men who wear lumberjack shirts and think this is the height of fashion. Or wear old school hair metal band T-shirts ( that one would be me ) I'm sure men who wear nice shirts and smart trousers do spend that much money. Probably.
(Dangerous Disco Trev Isn't my real name, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:30, Reply)

You know some odd people
fact.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:32, Reply)

Well obviously
I use the internet!
(Dangerous Disco Trev Isn't my real name, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:37, Reply)

You were robbed.

( girlinthehole, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 14:01, Reply)

Damn right
I asked her if she put a bit back on if it would cost less. But she just looked angry behind her miles of make up.
(Dangerous Disco Trev Isn't my real name, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 14:07, Reply)

Pizza
I want a pizza

I am hungry so I want a medium sized one

You are bigger than me and are hungrier so you want a bigger one.

Should we pay the same for our pizzas?
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:18, Reply)

because this is the same as your tits.
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:22, Reply)

Everyone with a brain knows.
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:22, Reply)

It's not
Although some nipples can look a bit like pepperoni!
(Dangerous Disco Trev Isn't my real name, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:23, Reply)

diseased ones yeah

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:25, Reply)

Beggars can't be choosers

(Dangerous Disco Trev Isn't my real name, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 13:28, Reply)

More material,
& 5 year old chinese child taking longer to make your primark pants means more cost to you. Seems fair.
(Bababoon, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 15:21, Reply)

the lovely ancrenne took me bra shopping last weekend.
I am now the proud owner of a 34D, beautifully fitted quality bra which does its job perfectly. I paid £29.50 at Bravissimo (normally buy £4 bras from Asda which are crap, also was buying the wrong size).
Have just found the same bra on the Ultimo website in the sale for £12.50. It's worth a look.
( Tourette's ( . )( . ) has a monkey hair in her fried egg, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 15:40, Reply)

I seem to have missed this
but I shall give my opinion anyway.

Most clothes stores base their prices on the cost of making a size 14. Therefore people under a 14 pay a bit extra and people over a 14 pay a bit less. I do think that it is fair to charge a couple of pounds more for over a size 18. You are getting noticeably more material for your money.

I do agree with the prices on bras being the same though. The size of your boobs is not your fault.

Primarks now do bras up to an F cup now.


A friend of mine used to work in a retail. He was required to wear a uniform. They supplied everything, including shoes. But they refused to supply shoes for him as he was a size 13. the unfairness of this was that they would have clothes specially made for the staff who were over size 24. They are that size because they eat too many pies. He can't help having feet that size.
( Mrs Entity is in hiding., Sat 20 Jun 2009, 22:20, Reply)