Let's have a bit of a debate, curtasy of the Daily Mail.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225878/Couple-flee-save-baby-social-workers-girl-17-told-clever-look-child.html#ixzz0WJ6OScOX

What's your view on it? I can't make up an opinion, I see two sides.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 18:29, 26 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

It's a contentious subject.
What they should do is put the family (when the baby's born) in some kind of supervised environment and see how she fares with the baby. But on the other hand, if something happens and the there's another BabyP there'll be uproar.

What about the possibility of showing the girl how to care for a baby, making sure she understands the responsibility? But then again, if they already think she doesn't have the capacity to understand the social services must have a good reason.

I don't know. I'm torn.
( Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 18:41, Reply)

they shouldn't take him away unless they have just cause
and in my humble opinion 'mild learning difficulties' isn't a good enough reason

however, the article doesn't quote anything from social services so this is just one part of the story
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 18:44, Reply)

the daily fail is not exactly known for its unbaised reporting

( willenium Fist bump for verification, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:07, Reply)

what what in the butt

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:17, Reply)

The Daily Mail is a bit like Fox News
they only tend to tell one side of the story. Hence the moniker Daily Fail.
( Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:26, Reply)

Fox!
I hear they have Sexy Sarah as a consultant now or summat...wouldn't know though, I hate watching the news.
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:33, Reply)

this is what passes for news in my native county
thenetherregions.co.uk/2010/01/17/the-bleeding-and-the-obvious/
( willenium Fist bump for verification, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:37, Reply)

Also
I don't find Sarah Palin sexy.
( willenium Fist bump for verification, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:43, Reply)

really? I wouldn't mind having a go in her oil pipe

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:45, Reply)

I would be too preocupied with the IQ
if she cant be legally able to give consent out of a mental disorder that could count as statutory rape.
( willenium Fist bump for verification, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:48, Reply)

I'm just joshing

( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:51, Reply)

Gonz...
It's from the Daily Mail, Social services haven't been asked for their side of the story (or if they have, the Mail are deliberately not printing the response) and it's yet another story that makes out the the Mail knows best. Typical fodder.

I very much doubt it's as clear cut as the story makes out. Social Services cannot just decide on a whim to remove a baby from its family- there are a lot of hoops to jump through.

If this story is in any other papers with a more balanced view then I'd be interested to see what the real reasons are.

Never believe the Daily Mail. That way insanity doth lie.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:07, Reply)

I for one think stupid people should be steralized.
With hammers.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:33, Reply)

I'm going to assume you spelt sterilised wrong on purpose

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:36, Reply)

and fire.
Yeah, plus anyone caught breeding while claiming benefits would be forced to do hard labour (of the work kind, not the giving birth kind).

I plan to spend my £20 a week child benefit on caviar.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:45, Reply)

If you brestfeed the baby will get its share of the caviar
so its all above board.
( willenium Fist bump for verification, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:49, Reply)

brestfeed?
is she moving to france when in its born?
(bamboozled Can hear you getting fatter, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 23:18, Reply)

Thing is though
There is simply no way that a parent or potential parent with mild learning disabilities would have their child taken from them just for that. 10, 20 years ago maybe, but nowdays the treatment of parents with learning disabilities by the state is not exactly perfect (The real issue is mainly that no concrete support is realy there for them untill something goes so badly wrong that major intervention is needed, coupled with ostricisation from mainstream society mainly due to people's perceptions of people with learning disabilities) but nowdays social services are very reluctant indeed to remove a child based soley on the parent or parents having learning difficulties.

The ideal solution would of course be greater levels of support for parents who themselves have learning disabilities, but hey, that'd cost a fair bit of cash.
(Fredz A graveyard of hopes, a dump of ambition, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 19:37, Reply)

She is neither sporting a croyden facelift or gold jewellery so should be allowed to keep the baby.

( girlinthehole, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 20:13, Reply)

What's a croyden facelift.
I need a new insult I can modify for around here
( Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 20:17, Reply)

It when girls have really tight ponytails so that their faces are pulled tight.



Not the best example but you get the idea.

Usually sported by chav girls with huge gold earrings and necklaces.
( girlinthehole, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 20:21, Reply)

A better one.

( girlinthehole, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 20:24, Reply)

Haha!
That can be used on the Mexican girls who all wear their hair scraped back! I shall try to start using that soon!
( Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 20:27, Reply)

also called pramface

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 20:33, Reply)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand they took the baby anyway
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245190/Mother-clever-raise-child-baby-removed-social-workers-running-away.html
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 22 Jan 2010, 20:48, Reply)

Bit late I know
But I can't find any reason why the father is unfit. If something happened to my wife I would raise Akira alone, there's no way social services would take her. There has to be so much more to it than "mild learning difficulties"

*edit* I found a video interview with them and what ever is wrong with her it's a lot more than mild learning difficulties and wouldn't let her be a lone parent and I sort of agree on the marriage issue. I still don't know why the father can't look after the baby though.
( Peej, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 11:26, Reply)