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# Made this for an email I sent round.
Figured as it required photoshop I could safely post it here!


(I helped save b3ta! JebediahSpringfield, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 16:53, archived)
# Explanation
I just got my ballot card through for voting in the referendum on AV on the 5th of May.

As president of my high school AV club I feel very strongly about this topic.

That's why I'm going to vote no on AV, in the hopes of a future referendum on AV+

That was I can pause and rewind live political debates in order to fact check the claims and research counter arguments.

Vote NO on AV and YES to AV+
(I helped save b3ta! JebediahSpringfield, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 16:53, archived)
# pLOLotics
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:01, archived)
# As someone who really likes STV but doesn't really like AV I'll point out this concern of my that this is as close it's going to get to changing it to something near proportional for a long time.
That is a bet but I will be surprised if this question occurs again - if it fails or succeeds. Only if it wins can I forsee any other debate on changing the vote including something like AV+ which to my recollection was something that Labour investigated and promptly forgot about.
(I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:03, archived)
# More or less this
A 'no' result will be held up as the reason not to change anything for at least the next 30 years, it will be treated as vote for the status quo rather than a vote against AV. If you want reformation of the voting system you have to vote yes in this referendum - even if you think AV is a shitty halfway house - to have any chance of ever getting to a better system in your lifetime.

Vote YES to AV on May 5th!
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:07, archived)
# Less of mine, more of that.
(I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:13, archived)
# A masterly summation, if I make so bold.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:15, archived)
# Don't be swayed now, y'hear...
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:17, archived)
# Well, on further consideration
I may be.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:28, archived)
# *runs around with T shirt over head as if I'd scored a goal*
again
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:30, archived)
# Hahahaha...
Just imagine below is a 'Best Mental Image of the day is awarded to Wasp Box' award ;-)
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:33, archived)
# *makes comment on this*
:)
(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:35, archived)
# Cameron needs to know that the coalition deal is not entirely on his terms.
(I helped save b3ta! Bela Lugosi's Dad, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:16, archived)
# I assume you mean that as an argument for voting yes?
Yes!
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:17, archived)
# Yes
Clegg has been utterly supine on tuition fees and Trident.
Whatever your opinion of him we need to support him on this.
(I helped save b3ta! Bela Lugosi's Dad, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:30, archived)
# As long as by 'support'
you mean the boisterous introduction of a red-hot crowbar into his nasal cavity?
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:35, archived)
# After voting yes to AV, yes
(I helped save b3ta! Bela Lugosi's Dad, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:40, archived)
# In that case,
it's a deal!

But, I won't be swayed, alright?
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:40, archived)
# I think since his party are the majority in it, he has every right to try to do that.
I'll admit I admire how it's been worked out, to make the potential change slightly more preferable to the conservatives but they still fight against it.
(I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:21, archived)
# Doesn't the Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem say that all voting systems are equally shitty, though?
I mean I'm paraphrasing but I'm pretty sure that's what it says.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 18:43, archived)
# I'd agree that it's not an ideal solution - AV+ would certainly be a bit more proportional.
But it's the only thing on the table at the moment so I'm voting yes.
(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:20, archived)
#
Yup, if anything it will force parties to appeal to the middle ground more and explain their policies more clearly. I hope it will lead to a more grown up age of politics where common sense rules without people lurching to the left or right.

I think reform needs to go deeper though. I'd like to see a ban on party whips and every vote being a free vote, and any poltician found guilty of lying to the house, spin doctoring or patronising the electorate to be forced to wear a hat made of poos.
(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:41, archived)
# Are you really president of your high school AV club?
Man I've gone all shy. What's the correct form of address for the president of a high school AV club?
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 18:15, archived)
# Adult video plus?
Anal violator plus?
(I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 16:55, archived)
# Anachronistic Vertiginousness.
Actually.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 16:57, archived)
# I still don't understand it, but I got an advertisement for the Yes campaign the other day
with lots of celebrities endorsing the Yes vote.

My only conclusion so far is that implying I am that stupid that I will be swayed by what Eddie fucking Izzard thinks of a political issue is offensive.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 16:57, archived)
# David Cameron has said it's "unBritish"
so it gets my vote. That's not even a word!
(Robutt Two pearls in a cashmere sky, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:00, archived)
# Also, it's downright unAmerican.
(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:18, archived)
# I received an 'openable' postcard the other Day with my full name emblazoned across the front in big and bright letters
upon opening, I find the grinning and slack-jawed mush of one E. Miliband Esq. gawping back at me wanting to know my priorities.
I may reply with 'for starters, not having my full name and details emblazoned across post in big and bright letters'
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:04, archived)
# He WANTS you, Archie...
and not in a nice, cuddly way.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:05, archived)
# He can get tae f*ck, the illegitimate love child of Wallace and Grotbags
It wasn't even a request. I open it up and I get
What are your priorities? I want to know.
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:06, archived)
# Typical bleedin' Millbank CRM
They have *no* clue...
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:12, archived)
# How will you receive your post if it doesn't have your name and address on it?
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:08, archived)
# It's Norfolk, it'll work it's way through the family to me
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:12, archived)
# *high sixes*
;-)
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:17, archived)
# :)
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:21, archived)
#
Norfolk The Human Centipede
(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:20, archived)
# ewwww....
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:29, archived)
# "Forget it, Jake. It's
Norwich."
(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:38, archived)
# Will you be swayed by what random b3tans think?
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:08, archived)
# YES!
no
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:12, archived)
# If they provide decent arguments and are clear in their explanation I might be.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:13, archived)
# Oh right
*quietly gets off the soapbox*
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:14, archived)
# Were you just swayed by a random B3tan?
(I helped save b3ta! prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:23, archived)
# maybe...
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:26, archived)
# I pretty sure I wasn't.
But then again...

*reconsiders*
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:29, archived)
# I rely entirely on B3ta consensus
for morality, politics, religion, and attitudes to *ahem* specialist video footage.

I'm still very unclear whether I should like Tim Minchin though...
(I helped save b3ta! prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:22, archived)
# We all think you should shag him.
Will that tide you over?
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:24, archived)
# The more I read about it, the more I think what is the point in changing it to a system that seems backwards and drawn out
(I helped save b3ta! Duke Otterby you pre-verts, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:21, archived)
# I think they should just all upload their manifestos
And the winner is whoever gets front-paged.

Sensible solution really.
(I helped save b3ta! prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:24, archived)
# Because the Tories don't actually want electoral reform.
So they propose an alternative voting system that is so shit no-one will vote for it.
(I helped save b3ta! Photoshop Bitch 2014 edition, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:25, archived)
# Although at least the ditched the gerrymandering that was originally tied up in it
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:25, archived)
# In fairness
you probably are more stupid than Eddie Izzard.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 18:18, archived)
# I'm voting for Pizza.
An American Hot with extra chillis, mushrooms, and capers.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:11, archived)
# Vote for Flange!
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:13, archived)
# *considers*
Yeah, alright then.

But, I won't be swayed - d'you hear?
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:14, archived)
# no, no, wouldn't dream of it
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:15, archived)
# Whichever way it goes, I'll still have a really nice pair of trainers.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Howdy, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:29, archived)
# Which party are sending those out, then?
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:32, archived)
# I like this
but for my second option: I don't like this
(I helped save b3ta! Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:34, archived)
# You don't mind me playing a big fat vienna card here, do you?
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:47, archived)
# :)
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:52, archived)
# this may be the only time I thought 'vienna' said 'vagina'
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:54, archived)
# Hahahahaha you said vienna
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 17:56, archived)
# Ultravox?!
(I helped save b3ta! JebediahSpringfield, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 18:37, archived)
# Best of all the ice-cream-based loaf deserts.
(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Tue 5 Apr 2011, 21:22, archived)
# RIS
(macroscian (1 like), Tue 5 Apr 2011, 22:41, archived)