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# haha
I'd love to but

1. seeing as I aready requested the Clay login be deleted because as I showed with robs reply, the moderators on this site edit posters posts without them knowing.
EDIt: adding words and phrases into posts for example as I caught one doing with mine

2. Why is this serious? well it's serious because everything you post on the internet has an IP address. If someone posts something like inciting a riot on facebook or saying they should bomb an airport it leads to convictions .

so in theory a mod on this site could edit your post to say something inflamatory and it would have your IP address on it. And there's fuck all you can do about it. after all who is going to believe you...unless you post rob's reply. Im not saying a mod here would do that...but they crossed a line to show anything is possible

if I had not posted robs mail reply noone would have believed it , that's the sad fact

there's a trust when you have when you sign up to forum that you give to the mods with your email passwords etc that they don't abuse trust like that.

be aware of that when you link your login name to your real name elseewhere on the net etc (this comedy account I'm using now has no links to anything)

4. I needed to get work done anyway and this site was taking up too much time so it seemed a good excuse as any to bin the account - and as I said to rob I noticed my paintings on google where linking back to the Clay login which had some pretty risky stuff on QOTW which would probably come back to haunt me

5. apologies for accusing Happytoast of tinkering with my posts ..but I think I had a right to feel paranoid given it was actually happening by the mods

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:07, archived)
# I've been posting inflammatory things on here for years
I thought that was the whole point?
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:10, archived)
# why don't you
say we should bomb manchester airport and see what happens - that's the point I'm making. Given i've shown the mods can hack your account and get you say to anything , it will show your IP address . there is nothing to prove you didn't type it. that's the point I was making
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:15, archived)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:19, archived)
# haha who's clay??
user doesn't exist ;)

you can see why I asked for the profile to be deleted rather than just walking away from this site.

also I did not do any thread/image deletions before and I notice the the T2 compo entry was even uncomped, which is a bit pissy
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:24, archived)
# Frankly no, I don't understand at all
I've known for years that mods can edit posts here - I've seen them do it loads of times, especially when prepping one for the FP
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:32, archived)
# ^ this
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:34, archived)
# christ
yep they can edit posts and they put 'mod edit' next to the edit.

when they go into a post and change the words and adding stuff wiothout your knowledge or without leaving a reference to say they did it , it basically get you to say anything under your profile name and they did it without informing anyone. Which is what they did to one of my posts
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:36, archived)
# Yeah, that happened to me too
*massive shrug*
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:40, archived)
# yeah I guess like
everything else on this site its all 'meh' and buddha like until it actually happens to them.

so yeah mods changing posts making the user seem paranoid to discredit them 'meh'. who gives a fuck eh.

I've seen you be a little too serious with Jolly Jack what happened to the faux sophisticated detatched world wary attitude there then? maybe you should have employed that shoulder shrug instead of getting all prissy about him and trolling the poor bastard? 'meh'

EDIT: one thing I can admit proudly - I treat people on the internet as I do in real life - and I certainly don;t fucking troll people

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:00, archived)
# Totally agree with that last statement.
which is why I'm forever shocked by internet trolling - would these people act this way face to face with their 'victim' I doubt it unless they like nursing a black eye. I always treat people the way I would in real life.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:45, archived)
# Ahahahahahahaha
Someone actually hit me in the eye last week, so I guess I'm like this in real life too. Like I really give a fuck, I've been dining out on the story since then.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:06, archived)
# I don't butter people egos in real life either
enough tossers get on my bus with a big enough chip on their shoulder and I'm more than willing to knock that chip off if they start mouthing off. This doesn't always work out well but I in most cases it makes them think.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:10, archived)
# I'm willing to have a good old fashioned argument with anyone who comes along
I love a good argument, me. It's when arguments turn to fisticuffs that I get a bit annoyed :/
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:29, archived)
# this is what annoys me most about forums
because if people behaved in real life as they do on these places (following someone aorund trolling them, acting the hard man - they wouldn;t last very long) manners has a survival function

when you allow annonymity, the dickheads come out to play ...because they can. would you follow JJ aorund in real life...shout insults at his work in front of him in real life?

not fucking likely old son :)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:02, archived)
# Oh cry me a fucking river will you?
You want to talk about anonymity? My face has been on the front page and Rob mentions my real name in the newsletter every chance he gets. I'm probably the least anonymous b3tan you could pick to try this shit on, yet you're blubbing because someone resized your image?

Do me a favour, you massive fucking baby.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:36, archived)
# go up to JJ
and talk to him like you do on the intrenet to his face. meet up with me and talk to me as you are doing now to my face - or anyone else for that matter

that is what I fucking mean, as well you fucking know

its pretty fucking obvious the troling I'v eseen by you on posters wouldn't be kept up by you in real life if you knew you couldn't get away with it via the safety of your fucking keyboard

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:40, archived)
# I was hoping to see JJ at the bash
There are plenty of b3tans who have met me in real life. I can be quite annoying, and I like swearing. If you're such a pussy that you're wound up by a bit of trolling and a bit of swearing then I sincerely suggest you go home and cry to your mum.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:45, archived)
# you have to show me the bit
were I'm being wound up by trolling? I seem to be calling you a tiresome little prick about your trolling of someone else

EDIT: would you like to meet me in real life for polite drinks and say this to my face, i don't do bashes? I guarantee you won't have the fuckinmg balls to be swearing as you are now and telling me to 'go home to my mum'. Which is my point as well you fucking know
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:55, archived)
# I'm still wondering why you're bringing up the JJ stuff, but if it's a character assassination you're attempting
then, er, whatever man. I dunno, did I say something bad about one of your pictures or something? I just don't understand why you've got your panties all up in a bunch about this.

But you seem to be missing the point that I am admitting that I am this annoying in real life. I can provide you with references of people who have hit me because of things I have said to them.

And I am telling you that you are getting properly INTERNET UPSET over, quite literally, nothing. Now go and cry it off somewhere.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 22:08, archived)
# belive it or
not I'm actually replying to replies, don't think you've ever trolled me personally Ive seen you troll others though. You seem to think I have some grudge like we're ina fucking playground. belive it or not am actually talking about what Im talking about and not annoyed at you for someother reason your deluded mind can come up with

doesn't surprise me in th e least you get hit alot. Fucking
Darwinsm in action I think. You think the survival urge would kick in and you'd learn some fucking manners you juvenile stroppy dick
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 23:33, archived)
# Yeah, I probably took the trolling a bit far there
*massive shrug*
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:23, archived)
# Well, clay (if this is you), if you come back, i will be happy, because you are one of my favourite b3tans
Lovely arts, lovely sculptures, funny jokes and an all round pleasant chap.

I wouldnt blow all this out of proportion. Its not like youve had your civil rights violated with a big black dildo or something. Just a bit of silly internet bother.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:11, archived)
# ^This

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:15, archived)
# nah I'm not
I think the point about this site eating up too much of my free time was probably more the reason to be honest - but that mod stuff was an eye opener

seeya fella, loved your work too
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:18, archived)
# :-(
Ill bookmark your blog and check in from time to time. Best of luck with your creative endevours.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:55, archived)
# ^this
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:58, archived)
# so long I'll miss your creative
and original work :(
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:14, archived)
# cheers
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:31, archived)
# if this is goodbye,
thanks for the lols, and take care of yourself :D
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:15, archived)
# You're 'Wanky'?
I never liked Wanky.
I like Clay though.
Restore what has been destroyed.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:18, archived)
# This :-(
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:30, archived)
# I don't go for these backdoor shenanigans.
I also think all gaz should be kept private regardless of anything.
Very wanky of you, Clay.....very wanky!
Fix this now before it's too late.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:38, archived)
# yep gazes shoudl be kept private
but I messaged rob that I was going to post it.

and really what other way could I prove that a mod was doing this?

You'd take my word for it?

pffft yeah that fucking worked out well!

lesser of 2 evils
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:46, archived)
# I believe Clay.
I don't trust Wanky.
I just want my friend back... :'(
.......Is....... 'Clay'....... really......................... gone?
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:50, archived)
# wanky is better than wanksy, trust me:
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:56, archived)
# You could have easily edited the screengrabbed gaz to say anything you want, though :)
Anyway, sad that you've decided to leave the site - I've enjoyed your work.

Don't forget you can still email stuff in for the newsletter without an account.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:02, archived)
# well
you could always gaz rob and you'd know the truth or if Im bullshitting.

it would take you less time than it took to type out that reply

but like i said, I seem to be spending too much time in this thread pointing out the fucking obvious

(enjoyed your stuff too btw ;) )
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:09, archived)
# What happened to point 3?
Did it get deleted?

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:18, archived)
Theoretically a mod could edit posts to say something inflammatory, however this would show up in the server logs - proof of the origin of the tinkering.

I very much doubt that mods here have access to our passwords, that is considered a security risk as many people use the same password for many purposes. I'm admin on a music sharing site, none of us (not even sysop) can access passwords (salted passwords.)

Get some work done and come back to join the fun.

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:23, archived)
# Hey everyone! Nutmeat's password is: jenny1982
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:25, archived)
# on a level probably
but you'd need access to the server logs. and on the surface it shows you saying something you never said. Why would they allow to to go to these lengths to prove it when its looks perfectly obvious on the surface

And who is going to believe you? when instead they just call you paranoid believing moderators would do that and they'd exert mob justice before you can actually prove your innocence (as I experienced)

far better to walk away from a forum that has moderators or one rogue moderator that would cross the line and do bollocks like that
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:28, archived)
# I really think that you're taking this far too seriously.
Toastie was genuinely trying to help you out with the 400 pixels business, you seem to have taken it very hard. I salute your use of 404 pixels, it made me chuckle many many times in the last 24 hours or so. But put it in perspective - you're getting worked up about very little.
I can understand why you're pissed off about having your post changed however that was a bit of misguided fun by a mod on a grim Bank Holiday Monday. I don't think there's anything sinister in it.

Walk away, but please walk back in when you've done some work. We've lost too many b3tans lately.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:34, archived)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:36, archived)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:07, archived)
# Iwell he knew what he was doing
but it's pointless talking about it

but if taking it hard means telling him "why should you care". I guess I can't win
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:37, archived)
# well luckily the post os still up

so you can see how little I care about his trolling in that post. But posters will believe what they want and I notice alot come out the woodwork to throw shit for the sake of it. So Its pointless trying to reason about it. what the fuck does logic come into it when people want to form an opinon? And what's the point

I don;y take it personally its usually the same few posters who generally just look for any old excuse to vent the bile when an opportunity to kick someone when they're down arises
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:40, archived)
# This is b3ta, throwing shit for the sake of it is all part of the fun.
The bullying, trolling, flouncing and massive protest for the sake of a few kilobytes/pixels is almost as important as the puerile digital arts.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:47, archived)
# I know
that's why I told him I didn't care and I asked him why should you. Like I said whats the point of even pointing this out when the posts are there to see that I didn't give a flying fuck
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:55, archived)
# joke is better than technique
so what if it loses 3% of quality during a html resize? i don't care, and i've a feeling clay didn't either.

on the other hand, it must be hard for the mods to write width=400 into the html image tags...
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:46, archived)
# ...except
I'd had images 422 pixels wide Fpd with no image adjustment and one was 404 so fuck knows what happytoast was on about

but like i told him I didn't really care. only he seemed to care about it - but guess it turns out it was me being too serious all along. go figure!
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:49, archived)
# Mebbe he was hoping you'd flounce and finally the spotlight would be his...
But he's never come across as a bad bloke. Maybe he was trying to be helpful. Sometimes people are less helpful when they try to help. Human nature.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:51, archived)
# maybe.... just maybe
I actually don't give a flying fuck and never did
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:58, archived)
# You're making quite a fuss for somebody who doesn't give a flying fuck.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:03, archived)
# no i'm replying to you
pointing out the what I thought was the obvious. But like i said its an argument that can't be won.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:06, archived)
# OK then.
I've enjoyed much of your work, I hope to see more of it in the future somewhere. Have fun! :)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:10, archived)
I don't hold any grudges against anyone not even the rogue mod (it was obviously a joke)- the bile and hatred from some posters like prodigy69 is so laughable as it can't be taken seriously, and the obssesiveness with image size from Mr Soppybread. 24/7 posters losing perspective . the poor bastards.

like I said up there I really do try to treat people on teh internet as I do in real life. and I certainly don't fucking troll people continuously. So yeah. cheers and seeya
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:20, archived)
# mebbe, (and i quote):
"Also very opinionated and likes a good discussion which gets me in to trouble too often, mainly because I stumble over my words, get misunderstood and have trouble getting my point across."

i suffer similar problems, but i tend to analyse what i am about to post and, more often than not, don't post anything.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:03, archived)
# I can't believe you're Wanky dude,
I loved Clay you know I did, but you know what my opinion of Wanky was...
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:32, archived)
# lol mods
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:39, archived)
# It's a damn shame,
you have massive talent and I hope you'll find time to contribute in the future...
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 17:42, archived)
# use this IP blocker
PeerGuardian 2
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:00, archived)
# To put it into some kind of perspective though
the 'abuse of trust' and 'tinkering with your posts' actually consisted of resizing your pic by 4 pixels, right?
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:28, archived)
# jesus
nope, i'm talking about a mod going in and changing the fucking words of a post without letting anyone know he's fucking doing it . as I caught one mod doing with mine

nothing to do with fucking image sizeor pixels there seems to be only one poster who cares so very fucking much about that

would you like me to post the screengrab of rob's reply of him admitting a mod did this or would you like to just gaz rob to fucking confirm it yourself? or would you like me to hold your fucking dick next time you take a piss?

EDIT: ah but I guess you knew this (as I explained it clear enough above already)...but it probably helps for whatever reason for you to appear so fucking coy about everything, got to love the internet eh ;)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:37, archived)
# Christ, go out in the fresh air or something you fucking massive drama queen
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:50, archived)
# given I probaly only spend
about 3-6 hours a week on this site compared to the 24/7 of some in this place, think I'll give a few replies if it's ok with you dixon

if pointing out hypocritical bullshit in strong language makes someone a drama queen . I guess I'm Dame fucking Judy Garland then
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:53, archived)
# I'm confused again
You said this site takes up too much of your time and now argue that you are barely here? /Right wing blog
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:15, archived)
# yep I have a small family
plus a hectic job as well as volunteer work, free time amounts to a handful of hours I usually spend on internet/ here or sculpting. clear enough dear? saying it takes up too much time means out of what I have as free time. I can understand how confusing it must all be
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:17, archived)
# I honestly don't
care, darling. I like your arts and enjoyed seeing them. But if you are going, just go.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:24, archived)
# that's good
I like how people say how they don't care by typing it out, sometimes a few posts after each other. And actually take the time to first prompt the reply about the fact "they just don't care darling"

I guess you just don;t care to the extent that instead of just fucking ignoring this thread or my replies, you won't be typing out another reply then?

and my replies in this thread was a reply to the opening post about me above so I think im entitled given the mod tinkering that few know about, if its ok with you sweetheart

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:29, archived)
# I might.
Might not.

EDIT: I do wish you would label your Edits.
You do what ever you think is right Honey, and I hope it acheives what you want it to acheive.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:32, archived)
# nah you'll keep replying
despite trying to convince us all that you just don't care darling, by typing it out

you say you like my arts like I care a flying fuck about your opinion on anything least of all my work.

you reply to me asking me a question and when i reply you say you don't care. and you'll continue to reply

because you're one of those posters who when they sense drama on the board appear as if from nowhere to use the opportunity to draw attention to themselves. like your endless gifs you used to post of yourself. at least you did until I pointed out that's why I put you on ignore and you stopped doing it

now I guess you won't be replying again because "you just don't care darling"

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:55, archived)

/MOD EDIT: please don't say stuff like that, there's a dear.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:06, archived)
# the mod edited out your reply mediocre
pm me instead, or was the point that people should see you saying it rather than actually just me privately?
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:12, archived)
# I was just being lolwacky

I think that if you're to stay: stay. And if you're to leave: leave. Up to you, of course. But this prolonged saying goodbyes whilst hammering your point home (which is well made by now) is pretty much superfluous and tedious by now.

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:20, archived)
# I think you're misunderstanding
in what sense is this a fucking long goodbye? reading some of the previous threads today its pretty fucking obvious noone knows why I asked for my login to be deleted

some one above posted about Clay and I'm replying. people are replying to me and I'm answering them.

or is this the faux misunderstanding I keep fucking seeing on these replies?

EDIT: seriously, though pm me that first thing you posted as a reply to me, that was edited by the Mod
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:22, archived)
# so, just so everyone's clear...
What happened again ?
Something about posting your images too wide ?
And they deleted your account ?

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:26, archived)
# it must be troll o'clock I guess
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:27, archived)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:30, archived)
# let me state the fucking obvious again
in the intial thread prompted yeasterday by my T2 image entry I did not give a fucking toss about the image size bollock . In fact I said that in the thread you just linked but you cut out the above replies www.b3ta.com/board/10739177 .

its pretty clear Im giving a fuck about these replies in this thread right now is it not?
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:33, archived)
# out of interest..
have you slept since posting the T2 image yesterday ?
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:36, archived)
have you seen me posting through the night and earlier today then?

I guess you kind of know the answer to your own question then in that case. Its amazing how fucking obvious alot of these replies are.

(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:38, archived)
# I was implying that you're blowing things out of proportion a bit (the old "someone's tired" wind-up)
That said, I've suddenly remembered that people on the internet have feelings too, and if I'd had a bit of an embarrassing flounce I wouldn't want random strangers winding me up about it.
I therefore pre-emptively retract the trolling I was about to embark on, and genuinely wish you all the best.
Peace out.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:43, archived)
# ah that old
chestnut again


EDIT: also also given your reply up there
its obvious that you basically know nothing about what this is about (or adopting that faux misunderstanding) you do realise your reply is meaningless.

Which begs the question why reply when you don't know ...or pretend to not know
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:46, archived)
# Nothing was edited by any mod, it was all me, Wanky
as I stated, I was just being lolwacky

I am going to do something else now.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:34, archived)
# thats great me too
makes me wonder why you fucking bothered in the first place.

but hey, you're in good company today
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:23, archived)
# I'm just here for the, as they say in the trade, lulz

I come here to have a laugh and that is all.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 22:08, archived)
# strangely enough
me too, I always have
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 22:32, archived)
# Oh just grow up.
I'm bored of your whining now.
(, Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:35, archived)
# Hahaha
actually I was just asking, because I wasn't around. I didn't see the comment you're referring to either.
And then, after posting my question, I coyly went out shopping. You know; outside, in the sunlight.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:01, archived)
# yep I've been out old son
all day and visited this board late evening.

You know , out all day, when you were in here in this site

I love how the fact I've been on this thread a while this evening now translates that somehow I'v e been here 24/7 all week. its like some posters need some tactic, something, anything to latch onto to use when there's fuck all else but they need to make a dig.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:08, archived)
# Mate, sign out.
You might want to come back at some point. As it is you're acting like a twat to people who aren't even giving you a hard time.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 22:00, archived)
# yeah mate
because that doesn't apply to you either, does it mate
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 22:02, archived)
# No, really, he wants to hold your fucking dick while you piss.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 22:06, archived)
# Christ.
I thought you'd gone. But now it seems you've come back to tell us all that you've gone.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:25, archived)
# Shame you're going.
I loved your work.
So long and good luck.
PS cool of you to come back and say proper goodbyes
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:41, archived)
# cheers
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 19:57, archived)
proper goodbyes drawn out rants
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:47, archived)
# cheers wildyes
but if it wasn't tl.dr for you you'd know it wasn't a rant. someone started a thread about the Clay login and i'm posting replies within it
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:56, archived)
# I might change my name to wildyes!
it's a lot better.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:00, archived)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:02, archived)
# let me reply with that edit then
someone started a thread about the Clay login and i'm posting replies within it

(sorry for the name mistype genuine mistake)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:06, archived)
# I am only lightly joshing you, I honestly have no opinion on the whole thing
I like hastily stapled together charts rather than words that mean stuff.

/exits the debating ring
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:08, archived)
# no probs ;)
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:11, archived)
# The temptation to edit my post to make it look like you saing no probs to something you dont agree with is great.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:17, archived)
# Just right, definitely did read.
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 20:42, archived)
# wow, your deep knowledge of these technical thingummies is truly stunning
did you learn that from the papers where they were warning you about those bad internet pirate rapists?
(, Tue 10 Apr 2012, 21:58, archived)