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# evning all


Click for bigger (262KB)
my latest scrot veccy
(I helped save b3ta! amoebaboy chose for death by unga bunga on, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:29, archived)
# i don't understand vectors

someone explain to me at length
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:31, archived)
# Vectors use curves between points to define areas
so they're able to be scaled up and down with no loss of definition . . . or summat . . . I'm drunk.

You can't do vectors in Paint! so ner!

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:33, archived)
# are they converted images or done from scratch

this one for example... it looks as if you'd put an image through the vector mangler and it'd churn this out the other end.

where's the effort? i'm sure there's lots, but where?
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:35, archived)
# you trace the vectors from the source pic
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:37, archived)
# on a tablet?

i'm probably taking that too literally
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:37, archived)
# On a vector layer
(I helped save b3ta! davew27 hevosen kuva!, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:38, archived)
# no paper then?
pish. everything is computers these days.

i yearn for an egg cup.
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:39, archived)
# No
(I helped save b3ta! davew27 hevosen kuva!, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:40, archived)
#
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:41, archived)
# yarrrrr. for to embiggerise
now i undersnad
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:43, archived)
# Bah!
Thass what I said originally!

BAHBAHBAH!

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:45, archived)
# it took a while to sink in

you helped me to undersnad, i just needed clarification
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:46, archived)
# To the best of my knowledge
Illfrustrator is the program of choice, but tattyshop's pen tool can yield MAGNIFICENT results in the hands of In Vino Veritas or The Great Architect

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:49, archived)
# paintshop pro is fine for me
get the impression it takes a bit longer though.
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:54, archived)
# I understand that
Xara is excellent for vector work. However it also has a cheat button that does it all for you.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:56, archived)
# I was converted to Xara when I saw the work of another b3tan, 'JamesSmith'.
Stuff on his site here:

www.logovend.com/infopainting.htm#artp
(I helped save b3ta! The Glum Reaper cannot solve your problem because he has no jam, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:07, archived)
# I've had Xara
extreme pro sitting on a shelf for the best part of a year and not yet installed it. I've used many Xara products in the past though and been pleased with them.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:19, archived)
# I hear a farm.
(I helped save b3ta! monkdagola but how do you TURN a phrase?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:47, archived)
# or a Ram that cuts hair
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:48, archived)
# of course as soon as
it's saved as an image and not a vector file then it's no longer a vector. When they are posted here they are just jpeg images that have been produced using vector shapes. Like this simple line art inking I just did.

www.b3ta.com/board/7158579
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:47, archived)
# or gifs . . .
C];0D

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:50, archived)
# I concede that
they are better saved as gifs for quality and jpeg for data size.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:53, archived)
# that makes my groin tingle

yes, i undersnad the concept. wrong format loses the... format... and thusly vectorised goodness is not vectory anymore.
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:50, archived)
# course, you can't post the vector file
as they're GARGANTUAN

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:53, archived)
# Whilst simultaneously being very very small.
It'd be nice if the board supported SVG or something.
(I helped save b3ta! The Glum Reaper cannot solve your problem because he has no jam, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:55, archived)
# but you post it as a gif and it's teeny teeny tiny
which is kinda ironic.
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:55, archived)
# Well the vector file is not an images file
it's just a placeholder for all the mathematical data. You have to save it as something other to use it as a web image. Tiff would be the absolute best quality file but you'd get raped for posting them ANYWHERE.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:59, archived)
# MASSIFULOUS!
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:56, archived)
# surely it shouldn't be
if represented by a few primitives?
that being the point. i bet the illustrator/photoshop file is giant, but that's not the same thing. if it were to be saved as flash or svg, wouldn't it actually be quite wee?
(I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:58, archived)
# Hahaha! I recognise some of those words
but am too drunk to arrange them . . . n-night!

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:00, archived)
# what he said
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:00, archived)
# It also
has a very crisp, distinctive look that only vectors give.

In Vino Veritas does lovely vectors too.
(I helped save b3ta! Spazzcat jam out with your clam out, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:51, archived)
# They're kinda . . . usually
vectored over

Like the JJ Scarlet one below. JJ sketched it and hoodles, drew over it defining curves with the pen tool to make the vector.

The effort comes in erm . . . vectoring

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:37, archived)
# You have to create the curves by drawing the outline of each shape
(I helped save b3ta! davew27 hevosen kuva!, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:37, archived)
# but you can create them from your own artisitc merit
you don't HAVE to have a source image

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:55, archived)
# Basically it's a form of tracing.
Trace shapes over an image, to build up an interpretation of that image. It takes a lot of time (for me anyway) but allows you to go back and fiddle with shapes, colours, transparencies as much as you want.

Im' sure certain b3tans could give you better answers, such as Mofaha or B3ta's resident Queen Vectoria, In Vino Veritas.

Personally I think the great thing about vectors is that they can be sacled up or down to any size, because they are made up of shapes rather than pixels.

EDIT: As others have pointed out, 'vector' is the medium, not the image itself. Also of course many are made from scratch, not traced over bitmap images.
(I helped save b3ta! The Glum Reaper cannot solve your problem because he has no jam, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:43, archived)
# I just remembered...
I have a small animation of a vector I made as I built it up, which may illustrate it a bit better.

(I helped save b3ta! The Glum Reaper cannot solve your problem because he has no jam, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:45, archived)
# i like that
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:47, archived)
# Thanks! :)
If you're interested in trying some vectoring, I believe Tattyshop/PSP have in-built vector functionality, as does the GIMP (it's just a bit crap). I would recommend a dedicated vector package though, such as Illustrator, or the free Inkscape.

Personally I like Xara Xtreme.
(I helped save b3ta! The Glum Reaper cannot solve your problem because he has no jam, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:54, archived)
# cool. ima download that and have a try
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:57, archived)
# my attempt
but didnt save the stages :s
(I helped save b3ta! hoodles is in your Afrikas Being Shotz at in CongOs, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:57, archived)
# I tend to use loads of layers.
I made that anim quite quickly by turning layers on and exporting after each one.
(I helped save b3ta! The Glum Reaper cannot solve your problem because he has no jam, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:02, archived)
# ^this
except with the bobafett anim below i made every shape in the vector visible in turn from the bottom up, grabbing the image each time.
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:14, archived)
# i did that
but without the photo underneath
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:01, archived)
# This is primordial woo matter
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:09, archived)
# i didn't see what made it any speshuller than the vector itself
but it made it onto the popular page, so who am i to argue?
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:11, archived)
# Noice!
(I helped save b3ta! The Glum Reaper cannot solve your problem because he has no jam, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:09, archived)
# Alright, folks, stoppit
Its not tracing. Its only tracing if youer using the pen tool to trace something. Which is just what everyone does, and calls it a vector, which is technically right, but just not an accurate representation of a vector, since vectors dont describe the picture, just the way it was created.

/drunk rant
(I helped save b3ta! SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:02, archived)
# *SPANGS*
no reason, just random violence in the name of humour.
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:04, archived)
# I simply cannot b e party to such behaviour
(I helped save b3ta! SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:11, archived)
# what sort of behaviour would you be party to?
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:15, archived)
# Narcolepsy
*wanders off*
(I helped save b3ta! SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:16, archived)
# I've been saying this for years.
People open tattyshop and proceed to create paths with the pen tool. Then they fil and or stroke those paths. They post the image here and call it a vector. It's never been a vector unless all the paths and shapes are saved for future scaling and altering.
Most of the images here are simply traced images of photographs using a path to define where to fill the colour and nothing more.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:27, archived)
# i remember being taught this
during AS IT (snore) but am i also right in asuming that if i save above vector and open it in PSP it'll become de-vectorised and will look shitty when scaled up?
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:08, archived)
# depends
if you save it in a vector format PSP will open it in vector format and will scale it up properly... PSP understands vector images.
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:12, archived)
# fair enough
the teacher we had was incredibly inept, couldn't even count up to 4 (but that's another story, possibly for last week's QOTW)
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:31, archived)
# I want one
sooo bad
(I helped save b3ta! Krog3r has acquired some deceant lurkage, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:31, archived)
# *gives you one*
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:32, archived)
# thanks!
a blue one! just like I always wanted!
(I helped save b3ta! Krog3r has acquired some deceant lurkage, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:33, archived)
# yeah i was sitting on my willy for a while.
(Nobody Likes Mortal Wombat, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:35, archived)
# it's a 4 cycle i hope
(I helped save b3ta! Krog3r has acquired some deceant lurkage, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:43, archived)
# I dunno what a scrot veccy is
but it doesn't look like bollocks to me!
(I helped save b3ta! Flowerpot No longer has the vapours thanks to DTH, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:32, archived)
# Brilliant!
almost TOO photographic

EDIT: Blimmin' eck! I din't notice it was you! Braw!

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:32, archived)
# That am very grand you bastard.
(I helped save b3ta! monkdagola but how do you TURN a phrase?, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:32, archived)
# That's fantastic
on so many levels. Not least of which is I had 3 Lambretta's and 6 Vespa's in my yoof.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:35, archived)
# why was your roof full of scooters ?
and are there any left ?
(I helped save b3ta! amoebaboy chose for death by unga bunga on, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:38, archived)
# No fraid not
I only ever had 2 at once from ages 15 to about 27. I was a second generation Mod ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:42, archived)
# you might like these then
www.flickr.com/photos/amoebaboy/page2/
piccys of my 80s scootering shenanigans
(I helped save b3ta! amoebaboy chose for death by unga bunga on, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:47, archived)
# Yes indeed
very much like that. Except I only ever had one chopped. a GP200
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:50, archived)
# One of those looks a lot like the Vespa model I have on my desk
(I helped save b3ta! davew27 hevosen kuva!, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:54, archived)
# That's rather woo!
And it reminds me, I was doing a Vespa vector, but haven't done any more of it for days
(I helped save b3ta! davew27 hevosen kuva!, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:36, archived)
# how long
did it take you to do?

very very woo :D
(I helped save b3ta! its_hatorah_bitch is b3ta the devil you know on, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:41, archived)
# a couple of evenings
started tuesday did a bit every night
(I helped save b3ta! amoebaboy chose for death by unga bunga on, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:43, archived)
# goodo
vectors are the snazz...especially yours :)
(I helped save b3ta! its_hatorah_bitch is b3ta the devil you know on, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:45, archived)
# Looks good
Start the engine

(I helped save b3ta! M@n!nblacK, Fri 4 May 2007, 23:57, archived)
# mighty good!
(I helped save b3ta! mr horrible up yours, dickface, Sat 5 May 2007, 0:07, archived)
# Very well drawn!
and if you like that, check the microcars a friend of mine does at boogerballs.com/
(I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Sat 5 May 2007, 2:26, archived)