Stevie Wonder, Tina Turner, Prince, Michael Jackson (up until Bad, anyway), Lionel Richie, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson...
methinks this Lizzo creature needs to do her homework!
Lizzo opens up about racial stigmas in pop music, says the genre “has a racist origin”
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 8:15, Reply)
What’s your point, that there have been successful black pop artisis
So the music industry hasn’t been racist? Just want to know what your beef is with what Lizzo says - it may be fair but I’m not clear.
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 8:19,
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"She explained: “I think if people did any research they would see that there was race music and then there was pop music. And race music was their way of segregating Black artists from being mainstream, because they didn’t want their kids listening to music created by Black and brown people because they said it was demonic and yada, yada, yada.”
I'd argue that some of the biggest, arguably the biggest Pop artists of the '80s were POC. Who did the whites get? A Flock of Seagulls? Rick Astley?
Of course there was (and is) discrimination in the music industry. But to suggest that black artists were somehow segregated and not given the same exposure as white artists is complete nonsense.
The woman is either a fucking moron, or worse, using the race debate to be deliberately inflammatory.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 8:26, Reply)
I dunno like, I reckon 1980s Public Enemy would disagree with you there, 'benito vaselini'
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 9:39, Reply)
Oh, they had plenty to say about black pop artists, believe you me.
And as an aside, in the late 80s PE sold an awful lot of records, getting themselves in the 'pop charts'. But carry on.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 10:05, Reply)
Ah, yes. Disagreeing with a black person, the most heinous of hate crimes in the 21st century.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 11:12, Reply)
Only if wishing they'd stop banging on about it so much makes me a denier.
Probably does, these days.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 11:46, Reply)
"Stop banging on about that time you got fucking gassed in your millions".
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Wed 30 Nov 2022, 18:19,
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No. The most heinous crime is disagreeing
With a white person about what's best for a black person.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 19:33, Reply)
Just noticed this thread
Most offended that you think I could be arsed typing all that out
(, Wed 30 Nov 2022, 9:24, Reply)
Well, I don't know if her point is incompatible with successful, mainstream black artists
You could go back to Cole Porter, through Little Richard etc. and the big Motown acts as examples of very successful black pop artist, but then I think David Bowie makes the point really well in 1983 about how racist MTV was:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZGiVzIr8Qg
I'd say Bowie and Lizzo would be making the same argument,
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Wed 30 Nov 2022, 9:57,
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You don't have to overcompensate.
You could have taken issue with what she said without calling her names, so it's very revealing that you chose to do so, particularly one so (literally) dehumanising. Whether your problem with her is that she's black, a woman, fat, all of the above, whatever, it paints you as a deeply unpleasant human being.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 9:11, Reply)
what *is* it with /links and obvious bigotry?
NAMING NO OTHER NAMES.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 10:21, Reply)
This is Tab Hunter's sock, isn't it?
What happened to your old profile, Tabby? b3ta.com/users/profile.php?id=50726
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 10:26, Reply)
what, so only one deceased b3ta poster was able to correctly use "who's"?
That explains a lot, actually.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 11:01, Reply)
at least you now understand the difference between "whose" and "who's".
You can thank me later.
(, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 11:50, Reply)
Tabs doesn't come here anymore cause he thinks you're all cunts
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Thu 1 Dec 2022, 15:06,
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Not saying much but I’ve literally never heard of her.
Also you forgot Kanye West (though the sooner he is completely forgotten the better).
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jonbob loves you, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 8:56,
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her opinion carries a lot of weight
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 11:31,
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All those artists
were to be found in the 'urban'/'rnb, funk & soul'/disco section of the high street record shop, back when such things existed.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 16:20,
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Yeh.
Black music has always been categorised as a thing. 'Urban' was always a euphemism for it.
Have a look at the Disco Sucks rallies, see which records were being thrown on the bonfires.
Then consider how segregated American culture was, with certain radio stations refusing to play music by black people.
This is all perfectly obvious. There's a lineage of racism in the music industry. Like lots of other industries.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 29 Nov 2022, 18:25,
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I won't disagree with you that there is definitely racism
going on when it comes to "disco sucks" but it wasn't the only thing going on. I get the impression that in a similar way that punk was a reaction to prog, hip hop was a reaction to disco. There's an excellent video by DMC that goes into it a bit (at about the 4 minute mark) youtu.be/QPRmFJ_U8Ug
On a slightly different note a colleague went to the MOBO awards a few years back and it was such a narrow version of "black" music it was unreal. No jazz, no ska, no blues, no funk, no disco...
(, Wed 30 Nov 2022, 2:00, Reply)