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This is a normal post I think on the whole
it is probably better to regulate the practice than drive it underground, because you can't expect people to stop practicing their religion just because it's illegal. It's not just fantasy role play to them.
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This is a normal post must not feed......must not feed

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This is a normal post I've had my tea

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:12, Reply)
This is a normal post There is some food for you below if you are interested.

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This is a normal post
I agree...But at the same time, why do we think it's ok to chop bits off babies just because it's religion?
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This is a normal post This is exactly the issue!

(pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Well let me put it this way...
unless some government is brave enough to come out and say "Judaism is wrong, the Bible is not the word of God &c, and no-one has the right to believe it is" they can hardly outlaw something that is an unambiguous requirement of the holy text, unless they claim to be a higher authority than God.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:23, Reply)
This is a normal post religion and politics should always be separate. It's even in the american constitution (I think)

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:24, Reply)
This is a normal post what's in the American constitution doesn't apply to the whole world,
and isn't necessarily right. Separation of church and state goes back to the puritans, the idea isn't universal.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Maybe so,
but we shouldn't discount it for that reason.

What's in the Bible doesn't apply to the whole world and isn't necessarily right either. Doesn't mean there aren't good ideas to live by in there.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Stoning adulterers isn't legal.

(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:57, Reply)
This is a normal post No,
neither is vigilantism generally. Neither are muslims actually required to stone adulterers as a condition of being muslims.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Not sure about muslims,
but it is in the Old Testament, so it has at some point been outlawed by law despite being part of the Jewish religion.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:10, Reply)
This is a normal post It wasn't something ordinary people would have done spontaneously,
it was a capital punishment, it happened by order of the Jewish law court (Sanhedrin) after a guilty verdict at a trial.

The Sanhedrin hasn't sat since the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. So it wasn't outlawed by law, but rather the authority that enacted it disappeared.

I'm not sure what the muslim set-up is, but it's definitely part of the legal system. No individual is required to partake in such an act in order to be considered a muslim.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:17, Reply)
This is a normal post But our law
does not let them set up their own law court and dish out the punishments the OT clearly says they should.

Hence, there have been aspects of their culture outlawed already.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:27, Reply)
This is a normal post they wouldn't set one up if we let them,
in fact they have their own country and they still don't do it there, because the temple was destroyed so there's no authority for the Sanhedrin.

Some Zionists want to build the third temple and resume temple sacrifices again.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Surely they should be allowed if they wanted to, though?
Stoning adulterers is as much a "unambiguous requirement of the holy text" as circumcision.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sat 14 Jul 2012, 0:01, Reply)
This is a normal post It's a requirement of the Jewish law court, should there ever be one,
and should anyone ever be convicted of adultery by it. It is not a requirement of an individual. Nobody is ever declared non-Jewish for not ever having stoned someone. That would actually require someone to commit adultery before it were possible for anyone to become Jewish, which would be absurd.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sat 14 Jul 2012, 0:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Surely it's better to make it illegal to stamp out inflicting a religious view on a child too young to choose its lifestyle?
at the very least they can then sue their parents and church for being the mutilating idiots they are.
Seriously, if "God" didn't want a foreskin, he/she/it wouldn't have put it there in the first place
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Salient point.
Anyone know the answer?
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:28, Reply)
This is a normal post very simple answer,
Judaism does not maintain that everyone in the world ought to be Jewish.

Circumcision is the sign of the covenant, if nobody had a foreskin they'd only have to cut something else off instead. Like their earlobes or something I don't know.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Good point.
I don't understand the point but it's a good one.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:45, Reply)
This is a normal post just the people who are born to jewish parents ought to be jewish

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:17, Reply)
This is a normal post being circumcised doesn't really force a lifestyle on anybody,
there are probably millions of circumcised people who don't know what all the fuss is about. It's fairly standard practice amongst Christians in the US for some reason.

Your theory of God is yours... others might not agree. I don't see the point in arguing what the will of God really is. Unless the state says that it isn't it has to accept that it might be.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:28, Reply)
This is a normal post circumcision isn't reversible, it really is forcing a lifestyle on someone
it's only a medical procedure in freak cases of some kind of muscle contraction.

When I say "god" I deliberately put it in speech marks. I mean 'mother nature' really. If there was a need for circumcision, evolution would have made it happen by itself.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Being circumcised is not a lifestyle,
it doesn't condemn one to being Jewish forever.

Well whatever you mean, you have to prove it to a Rabbi, I guess.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:44, Reply)
This is a normal post I have no idea what you're saying
I'm not talking about being Jewish at all.
I'm saying once you've had part of your dick cut off you can't grow it back.
That in itself is doing something to a child before it can say "yeah, I think that'd be cool"
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:47, Reply)
This is a normal post That's true,
and it raises interesting questions about the rights of children.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:52, Reply)
This is a normal post how was it not about the rights of children before?
oh of course, religion, they know better than the children they inflict themselves on.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:56, Reply)
This is a normal post It was about religious freedom before.
Does a government have the courage to say "we must protect children from religion"? That's what I'm asking. There seems to be something of a stand off here between the modern western idea of rights of children and the right of freedom of religion. Because circumcision is not an option for Jews.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Simple rules
children should have a say in what made up fairy tale they believe in.
Fuck religion, fuck their parents saying you must have part of your cock cut off because an imaginary friend said so.

If they want to do that, let them do it when they are 18, or better still after they've been psych tested and simply weighed up the options.

The sooner laws prevent gullible religious twats inflicting their doctrine on their kids the better.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:04, Reply)
This is a normal post So you're saying it's definitely not the word of God, then.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:05, Reply)
This is a normal post what isn't?
what is the word of god (and which god)?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:11, Reply)
This is a normal post the requirement for Jews to be circumcised.
At 8 days old, so it says.

It's easy for you to say that's fairy tale bullshit or whatever... question is, what happens if a government of a liberal democracy says it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:12, Reply)
This is a normal post no religion should be inflicted on anyone unable to make a choice for themselves
simple as that.

A government should protect its citizens from cults, scams, fraudsters and religions, especially when they intend to inflict physical alteration to them, until an age when they can make the choice for themselves.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Where do you stand on abortion?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:25, Reply)
This is a normal post you are trolling now for sure


Abortion is entirely down to the circumstance of the woman involved and certainly not a fucking church.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:28, Reply)
This is a normal post what about the infant involved,
does the government not have the duty to protect it?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:32, Reply)
This is a normal post only after the accepted point where medical science proves it has sentience
Where do you stand on a blowjob or a wank or a piss (which for a man who has passed puberty dumps sperm)?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Sentience doesn't have anything to do with the legal limit on abortion,
it would be nice if it did but what we've got has more to do with some concept of "viability" as far as I know. But supposing we take that cut-off point.

Would it be ok to circumcise a foetus, if it were possible, before the same time limit?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Being "Free thinking" is not an option for Jehova's Witnesses
- threatening individuals with castigation (sic) if they don't toe the party line, in whatever form, is repression, regardless of the reason for it. Just because something has always been done doesn't make it right, and the reasons for doing something a few thousand years ago doesn't mean it has to continue.

Also, there it appears "degrees of Judaism" - not all Jews avoid shell fish, pork, tattoos, for example.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Nobody is going to force a Jew to eat Pork though.
Obviously the antiquity of a practice doesn't make it more likely to be right. But this is a religion that has been allowed to do its thing until now, and now we decide, it isn't right. Novelty doesn't make an idea right, either. It's our morals vs theirs.
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This is a normal post we used to burn people as witches 400 years ago too

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:25, Reply)
This is a normal post yeah I think they should bring that one back,
get rid of Derek Acorah.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:26, Reply)
This is a normal post sold

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This is a normal post Quite why an ancient practice based on personal hygiene and aimed at preventing masturbation thousands of years ago
is still practiced today does not make sense at any level. As well as that, there is plenty of research which shows circumcision leads to long term physiological and psychological problems in later life.

Enough fuss was made of docking the tails of dogs, which is now outlawed in the UK at least, but has similar physical and psychological effects as circumcision - and was proven to shorten life expectancy in dogs.

Both are barbarous practices which have no place in the modern world, along with female genital mutation.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:35, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't think masturbation has anything to do with it.
It's still practiced today because people are still Jews today and it's one of the rules of Judaism. As such it doesn't need to be justified on practical grounds.

"Barbarous" is rhetorical language, I'd be careful of it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:39, Reply)
This is a normal post "Barbarous" used deliberately.
I think "emotive" is the word you're looking for.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:50, Reply)
This is a normal post That's another one,
as is "loaded".
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:54, Reply)
This is a normal post Do you have a penis?

(Spin Its a thing., Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:50, Reply)
This is a normal post "you can't expect people to stop practicing their religion just because it's illegal"
WHAT!?? You are you actually trolling?
I won't bother coming running to you if my partner of ten years has his throat slit because he came across some muslims who believe that gays should be exterminated then.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Only gay muslims, tabs.
Are you counter-trolling now? I don't know.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:41, Reply)
This is a normal post "Only gay muslims"?
Please- elaborate. Do you think muslims who believe that gays "should be thrown off a cliff" only mean it about muslim gays. Is that what you mean?
I just want to be clear here- & how is that any better?
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:43, Reply)
This is a normal post I saw a gay paedo muslim get executed in public.
Firing squad - got the pics somewhere if you want.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Shariah law only applies to muslims even in muslim countries.
I'm sure there are individuals who get angry about all sorts of things, but I don't see any muslims anywhere demanding the legal right to slit people's throats in Western countries because the Quran says so.

It's an interesting point about the limits of religious freedom, though. We have to draw a line somewhere I suppose. But circumcision of your own child is hardly comparable to killing someone.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:50, Reply)
This is a normal post I dont think anyone has told the Muslims that.

(Spin Its a thing., Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:53, Reply)
This is a normal post You might be confusing Shariah law with Jihad or something,
in any case governments often do explicitly condemn this kind of extremism.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:57, Reply)
This is a normal post I dont think anyone has told the Muslims that.

(Spin Its a thing., Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Told them what?
Some of them have been deported for it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:22, Reply)
This is a normal post
I dont think anyone has told the Muslims that.
 (Spin Its a thing., Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:46, Reply)
This is a normal post I give up.
I started to write a genuine response; but, but....that is such fucking mental, utter bollocks.
I genuinely don't know if you're trolling or just a fucking idiot.
Night all.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:55, Reply)
This is a normal post good plan
'nighty night
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Are you a bit mental?
A fantasy?
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:54, Reply)
This is a normal post
bit
Night, J. Excellent entry to the image challenge, btw.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha
To bed I go
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:00, Reply)