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This is a normal post do you think that's what he's doing?
it's a strange image, I admit.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:07, Reply)
This is a normal post breach of the peace tends not to be a private matter
he'll have upset someone who wasn't wanting to see his bollocks
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:10, Reply)
This is a normal post oh boo hoo,
it's just bollocks. Anyone who gets upset at the mere sight of a testicle needs to grow up. Unless he's doing some harm to someone he can dress as he likes, or not.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:13, Reply)
This is a normal post think more

(Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:18, Reply)
This is a normal post if I think really really hard,
will I start finding the sight of bare ankles indecent as well?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:20, Reply)
This is a normal post bare ankles in public doesn't deviate from the current social norm.
would you really want to get the tube with a load of naked men with semis?
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:27, Reply)
This is a normal post oh they all have semis now, ok.
so it's all about social norms, is it. should the law uphold all social norms?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:30, Reply)
This is a normal post what is the law
if not the current (well probably slightly out of date what with the slow pace of legislative change) social norms codified into a set of rules for people to follow?

hence men fucking one another in the bumhole being previously illegal but now legal. or a gentleman beating/raping ones wife being once legal but now illegal.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:36, Reply)
This is a normal post was it right that homosexuality used to be illegal?
and those other things?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:37, Reply)
This is a normal post what do you mean right?

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:38, Reply)
This is a normal post I mean was that the way it ought to have been?
Or, let me put this another way, is this what you say, that if society at large is homophobic, that homophobia should be enshrined in law? And sexism, and misogyny and racism, all those other things that we're glad aren't tolerated anymore.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:43, Reply)
This is a normal post personally i think these laws were appaling but then again
i've been socialised into THE CURRENT SOCIAL NORM so i would think that wouldn't i?

edit:ooft on my spelling.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Why don't you two trade naked pics of eachother and break this tension.
Jeepers mister.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:14, Reply)
This is a normal post i'll go first.
tickle
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Wait, you mean they're NOT?
Oh man, sadtimes.
:(
 (I helped save b3ta! stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Fri 20 Jul 2012, 21:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Yep
That is why we have laws with terms like "public indecency". The idea of what is indecent is constantly changing and this way a good judge can interpret the law in tune with current values.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:41, Reply)
This is a normal post don't talk sense.
:D
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:42, Reply)
This is a normal post OK, Fuck off then! Ya big nudie turd burgler
Is that better?
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:49, Reply)
This is a normal post much
ta
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Once upon a time it did...

(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:37, Reply)
This is a normal post totally. and it's changed.
as social norms do. possibly partly cos of activism of teh naked ramblers type of activism.

i'm not arguing that wearing clothes is right or wrong, just that it's a social norm and if you deviate from a social norm you will often be breaking the law and should expect the consequences. the naked rambler does expect it. i think he has a better handle on the situation than moon girl.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:42, Reply)
This is a normal post It is a social norm,
but I do not believe that the purpose of the law is to uphold conformity to social norms, it is to protect vulnerable people from harm.

I don't believe that wandering around naked is wrong or that it does anybody any harm and I fully support anyone's right to do it if they wish. If society has a problem with that, society has to justify it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:47, Reply)
This is a normal post google law and read whatever article comes up first.

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:50, Reply)
This is a normal post Thank you.
I think I agree with this man
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Dworkin
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:47, Reply)
This is a normal post fuck if that's your first result you should use duckduckgo instead of google.

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:03, Reply)
This is a normal post haha no,
I got the Wikipedia article on Law but I clicked through some links.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:08, Reply)
This is a normal post so you saw the socially normal definition then kept clicking til you found some outlier guy.
what a surprise.

look i'm not a super mainstream person and i think that a naked dude isn;t doing me any harm but i'm not everyone and it seems like the general consensus (in society rather than on b3ta) is that people ought to keep their clothes on. are you able to see that?
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:14, Reply)
This is a normal post There is no "socially normal" definition that I can see,
the definition is:
Law is a system of rules and guidelines which are enforced through social institutions to govern behavior.[3] Laws are made by governments, specifically by their legislatures. The formation of laws themselves may be influenced by a constitution (written or unwritten) and the rights encoded therein. The law shapes politics, economics and society in countless ways and serves as a social mediator of relations between people.

Nowhere is law defined as "social norms", do point me to the paragraph you are referring to. I hope you aren't misunderstanding the term "normative". If you look that up you will get back to Dworkin again.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Do you really think if people disagree
with the law then they should just break it anyway, rather than campaign to change it?

There are plenty of naturist places to go if you want to walk around in the nip. This guy is just an attention seeking moron.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:59, Reply)
This is a normal post First really good point so far!
Well it depends on the law, I think. There are some things that the law, to my mind, simply has no right to forbid. I've spoken to plenty of people who take this line on recreational drugs, in fact I've had these conversations on B3ta.

Maybe there should be a campaign to change it, because it's a silly law, but it's also a fairly trivial issue that not many people care about, I guess.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Well, I suspect they have different social norms on the moon.
On the tube he should probably wear clothes. On Bodmin Moor, I'd probably leave him to it.
 (MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:50, Reply)
This is a normal post for sure.
if it was me i'd leave him to it on the tube too but i'm not everyone and i have to respect other people's views. anything for the quiet life.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:59, Reply)
This is a normal post mmmnnng mmmmnnnngggg bare ankles nnnngggn

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:58, Reply)
This is a normal post This
Edit: "This" refers to HappyToast
Freedoms always have to be tempered with not infringing on the freedoms of others.
I could argue that I was born with the free-will and capacity to make my living by killing others and taking their food. It is only natural, but I don't think society would allow me my basic freedom. Poor me.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:15, Reply)
This is a normal post killing others is exactly comparable to walking round naked

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:17, Reply)
This is a normal post yes, yes it is, that is exactly what MFFO was saying

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Comparisons generally aren't exact.

(I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:21, Reply)
This is a normal post do these two things have anything at all in common?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:22, Reply)
This is a normal post yes, throughout nature animals are both born naked and kill others to take their food

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:23, Reply)
This is a normal post and is that why we make these things illegal?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:28, Reply)
This is a normal post that wasn't the question you asked

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:31, Reply)
This is a normal post no, that was the next one.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:32, Reply)
This is a normal post I do wish you'd fuck off back to talk
You're an idiot with stupid opinions.

EDIT: Thankyou to all those who have clicked this comment. I no longer feel alone.
 (I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:39, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this^ with more "YOU STUPID FUCKING IRRITATING CUNT"
...have you noticed that certain (well-loved) regular /linkers have stopped posting? About the same time this FUCKING IDIOT started clogging up the board?
Sadly, the two facts are related.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:53, Reply)
This is a normal post I didn't realise you held me in that regard Tabby

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:59, Reply)
This is a normal post if you have really stopped posting here because of me,
I shall willingly retire.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't worry
I would post whatever my opinion of you is. I've just been working hard, what with being on the game and working 9-5 and all...
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:23, Reply)
This is a normal post Try not to be offended by this but I find your manner of converse deeply annoying.
Therefore I shall be putting you on ignore for the sake of my mental health.

Please try not to start any interesting threads that people I like to talk with may be involved in.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:31, Reply)
This is a normal post hey now I'm probably too late with this
but what have I done? I haven't swore, I haven't called people names, I'm not aware of even saying anything especially controversial. Seriously, I don't get it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Always.
Plus you get the board's sympathy, what with the whole unfortunate size of your penis. As previously discovered.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:16, Reply)
This is a normal post It's tiny
like an olive
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Could they not use the ignore button?

(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:16, Reply)
This is a normal post I promise I'm not white-knighting here
but really?? Someone else has different opinions to you and abuse is the path you choose?
 (Stonkwood Pipes made me do it, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:24, Reply)
This is a normal post that's just the sort of reply a cunt would post.
sorry i couldn't resist. i shouldn't post pissed.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:38, Reply)
This is a normal post And with that, consider yourself ignored!
lol, not really! :)
 (Stonkwood Pipes made me do it, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:44, Reply)
This is a normal post I totally get where you're coming from (& I've posted similar to your post about other posters), BUT
she's clogging up the board with (to quote from others) nonsensical, contradictory, deliberately argumentative, sub-sixth form bollocks. She's not nearly as intelligent as she imagines herself to be, and people who actually have interesting & coherent opinions are avoiding /links 'cos they're sick of her shit.
...it's not "different opinions"- Coxxy & I disagree on virtually everything, but it's always a pleasure to read his posts, however MASSIVELY I may disagree.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 20:44, Reply)
This is a normal post I thought this would be exactly the right place.
To air one´s opinions, stupid or otherwise.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:05, Reply)
This is a normal post is that thought of yours a fact or an opinion?
:D x
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Airing opinions is one thing
Needlessly provoking arguments based on logic worthy of a 6th form sociology student, is another.
 (I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:58, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm actually genuinely surprised
that so many people here think that walking around outdoors with no clothes on shouldn't be tolerated, and if you can point me at whichever post explains why I'll be very grateful. All I've taken from this whole argument is that social nonconformity simply won't do.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Please just shut the fuck up

(I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Have you seen the ignore button?
It´s a device to prevent you from seeing other people´s point of view.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:26, Reply)
This is a normal post It´s the law.
A law drawn up by an elected body that represents a majority of the population.

Why is it so hard to understand that an apparent majority of people have a different opinion than yours?
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:24, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm aware that it's the law,
I just never expected this degree of authoritarianism from here, of all places.

I don't know how big a majority of people think that nudity is so bad it has to be illegal, but why is it so hard for you to understand that I think it shouldn't be until somebody tells me the reason why.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:30, Reply)
This is a normal post
Are you really so deluded that you feel no law should be valid until *you* agree with it?
Maybe mrandrist has point.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:33, Reply)
This is a normal post What the hell,
no. Maybe I'm deluded enough to think that dissent was socially acceptable in this country. I don't have to agree with the law just because the majority do, do I?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:39, Reply)
This is a normal post I think there's a distinction between "think it shouldn't be a law" and "plan to break it" or "advocate breaking it"
There's a whole bunch of laws I disagree with but follow because they are the law, but I'd be deeply worried if disagreeing with them became against the law, or seeking to persuade others to disagree.
 (Stonkwood Pipes made me do it, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:42, Reply)
This is a normal post It's not illegal.
It's illegal in certain places. Like smoking.

Where would you personally draw the line? Is public sex acceptable? What about having an accidental boner?
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Good points from Monkeon again.
I'm glad you're here.

It's illegal in public places, I should have specified. Is public sex acceptable? Well I'll have to go and think about that, because it's not obvious why it isn't.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:47, Reply)
This is a normal post IT HAS GOT FUCK ALL TO DO WITH PUBLIC NUDITY YOU FUCKING MORON
We can't stand YOU. I am totally okay with public nudity, lived with a naturist, happy to wander around in the nip: PEOPLE CAN'T STAND YOU. PLEASE FUCK OFF. AND THEN, FUCK OFF SOME MORE.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 20:52, Reply)
This is a normal post holy shit calm down it's only a Willy

(I helped save b3ta! glued eel /questions/questionsyoudliketoask/post1648081, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 21:30, Reply)
This is a normal post no it's not.
sorry. couldn't resist being a prick. btw i'm leaving the nursing register for a different register. ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Congrats!

(I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:11, Reply)
This is a normal post The two things do not have much directly in common
The comparison is with the attitude that someone's right to do as they please has to fit in with the demands of society. This applies to both.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:25, Reply)
This is a normal post do you not think that there is a good reason why society frowns on killing people?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:31, Reply)
This is a normal post do you not think that there is a good reason why society frowns on absolutely anybody walking around naked?
hygiene issues in restaurants would be the main issue I imagine, would you sit in the same chair as a massively fat naked woman had just vacated?
Especially if she had just been on a really long walk across the countryside in hot weather
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:33, Reply)
This is a normal post how does that relate to someone walking around outside?
and is it worth making it illegal? Plenty of places have dress codes without having to get the police involved. For a restaurant to have a "no naked" policy is one thing, for someone to actually get arrested for being naked outdoors, minding their own business, isn't that a bit much?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:36, Reply)
This is a normal post but that's the thing
he's never "minding his own business"
if he were, other people wouldn't be getting him arrested.

Anyway, I'm cooking dinner now, byee!
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:40, Reply)
This is a normal post no that's other people minding his business

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:44, Reply)
This is a normal post you're focusing on his individual right to do what he wants to the exclusion of other people's right to not look at some random bloke's cock.

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:48, Reply)
This is a normal post I am,
because I think the other people are being irrational.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:07, Reply)
This is a normal post so should society as a whole decide what is and isn't unacceptable on the basis of your opinion or on the basis of collective agreement?

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Agreement,
but agreement based on dispassionate discussion, not on ancient prejudices. The onus should be on lawmakers to give some reason why the thing being legislated against should not happen.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:23, Reply)
This is a normal post If my reaction to that is anything to go by
there would be a lot of vomit to clear up
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:36, Reply)
This is a normal post society doesn't frown on people killing people.
soldiers are allowed to kill people. as are executioners in nation states that have the death penalty. and swiss doctors.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:37, Reply)
This is a normal post so why IS it illegal, then?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:39, Reply)
This is a normal post why is what illegal?

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:00, Reply)
This is a normal post killing people.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:03, Reply)
This is a normal post no it isn't.
soldiers can kill people, as can armed police.

perhaps you mean murder?
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:11, Reply)
This is a normal post murder means illegal killing.
I feel you are splitting hairs here. I can also kill in self-defence if I get the angle just right. But you know, generally, I can't just go out and kill someone cos I feel like it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:25, Reply)