Ecuador grants asylum to Assange
Some more on Julians bestest mate.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18518464
I like the bit where newspapers criticizing the President get fined and reporters put in prison.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:42,
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Nuke the entire site from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.
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JamTallons, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:44,
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I predict a flood of Swedish asylum seekers.
Coming over here, with their flat pack furniture and meatballs
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yes, it is important that the place you want to escape to for asylum to avoid life imprisonment is absolutely perfert
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:57,
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Come on, it's a little hypocritical.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:00,
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did you also know if you buy a coffe you can't protest about the banks?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3252FSW7OC4
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:01,
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I assume that fucked up link was meant to point to HIGNFY?
And that is a straw man progression that I will have no part of sir.
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And you don't see the hyprocasy in this?
"Earlier this year, Mr Correa won two separate multi-million dollar lawsuits against journalists for libel.
El Universo newspaper was fined $40m (£25m) and its owners given a three-year jail term.
In a separate lawsuit, two investigative journalists were fined $10m (£6.3m) for discrediting Mr Correa's good name in a book detailing government contracts that benefited the president's older brother.
Following international pressure, Mr Correa pardoned the journalists and the newspaper."
It's not as bad as Galloway praising Saddam I grant you but it still smells
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:04,
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it's not a straw man progression, just a similar example of the misuse of charge of hypocrisy
I probably should point out to you again that his stated reason for applying for asylum is to escape possible extradition to the US from sweden (whether you think his fears are valid or not is another debate). He is not going to ecuador for a social call, to demonstrate his support for correas leadership, or because he likes empadas. he is a fugitive and one country , ecuador, made him an offer of asylum. I find the charge of hypocrisy exceedingly weak under those circumstances, and on about the same level as Mench accusing people who buy coffee and protest about the banks of hypocrisy.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 17:08,
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and him giving him a nice cosy interview on Russia Today is mearly by the by?
and I believe it is a straw man as you just substituted my example for another that only has a passing resemblance but backs up your view without even trying to argue the point.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 17:21,
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guantanamo bay -- accused of hypocrisy -- guantanamo bay -- accused of hypocrisy
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:07,
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point?
Yes Obama is a hypocrite too.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:08,
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oh I thought you had me on ignore.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:09,
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Ah so you said that thinking I couldn't reply?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:10,
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I remembered half way through writing it
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:12,
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Fair enough
So what was the point?
Obama said he would shut down G.Bay and didn't so he's a hypocrite.
Assange claims to fight for freedom of information but relies on help from an state that fines and imprisons the press for being mean to the president.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:18,
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he's going there to save his own skin not as a show of support for the president,
if anyone's a hypocrite it's Mr Carrea.
The point is that being accused of hypocrisy is the least of his worries at the moment, when he's wanted by a regime that uses torture on dissidents.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:20,
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He also had Carrea on his chat show on Russia Today while back.
And Assange has given him a PR boon just before the elections.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:28,
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Russia Today is a really bizarre channel.
Honestly though I really don't know what I'd do if I were in his situation. Chances are it's game over for him no matter what he does from now on.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:30,
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I just donated to Wikileaks using Bitcoins.
VIVE LE REVOLUTION
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:05,
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That'll keep Assange in Chardony...
Opaque accounting system they have there...
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people around here seem to really hate that wikileaks guy
did I miss something terrible he's done or is this a stewart lee kind of thing?
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mutated monty, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:08,
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I quite like him
but if I ever pipe up with that opinion it quickly goes into a "he's a rapist. You support rapists. Do you hate women?" Hence I don't really bother mentioning him these days.
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rob, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:17,
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yeah I know
I thought he was some kind of hero but apparently the mob is a bit fickle.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:26,
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"the mob". pfffft.
How fortunate we are to be in the presence of your informed and superior intellect.
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JamTallons, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:32,
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intellect is no guarantor against mobs, unfortunately.
I don't know what else you call it when one moment someone's a hero, and then somebody cries "rape" and suddenly he's a villain.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:36,
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he's evading the judicial process.
Which to most people is suggestive of some degree of guilt
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he is,
the problem is when the judicial process is the puppet of the CIA.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:46,
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they're all in NATO so yes, they are
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:19,
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actually Sweden isnt but never let the facts get in the way of your preconceptions
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well they still are, anyway.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:26,
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Sweden also has a long history of participating in international military operations, including most recently, Afghanistan, where Swedish troops are under NATO command
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:28,
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His claimed reasons for doing so make it far more suggestive of paranoid delusions
(IMO)
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Okay, let's comprimise... can we agree on "paranoia"?
I haven't seen any convincing evidence that he'd actually get shipped off to the US by Sweden.
But then, there's a conspicuous lack of assurances that he wouldn't be.
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the whole extradition arrangement is extremely asymetric,
when the US want somebody, they get them.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:08,
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I reckon it's more the case that the UK won't do it so soon after McKinnon
So Sweden stepped up, I seem to remember (hazily) a 15 year old Swedish kid being arrested by the FBI a while back. They raided his house, in Sweden. They have form.
EDIT: Shit, can't find any trace of the story... it had something to do with DVD copy protection or something, and the code ended up on T-Shirts... did I dream all that?
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I think I remember it actually
now you mention it
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 18:01,
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I think you mean this chap:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johansen. He was Norwegian. Wasn't the FBI breaking down his door either I'm afraid, but I guess you could say the Americans "started it" if you wanted to.
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JamTallons, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 18:47,
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yeah maybe
it reminds me a little of the concept of electric fences mentioned in the book Flat Earth News.
An example give is that it's difficult to criticise Israel without people shouting that it's anti-semitic. Hence lots of quite reasonable people just pull faces and choose to talk about something else rather than getting shouted at.
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rob, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:44,
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Something something something /Links subjected lines something
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 16:29,
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He's got stupid hair. You support stupid hair. Do you hate sensible hair?
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Pig Bodine., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:24,
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The dog that didn't bark?
But what if there is no dog?
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:01,
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Dear Jimmy
Can You Fix-it so I can edit subject lines in links?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:26,
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Could be GroupThink kicking in.
Sometimes happens on here.
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:23,
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I read a news article that said he smelled of cat's wee.
Seriously that was the headline, I'll go find it
edit: here
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gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:25,
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Fuck me
You'd almost think there was kind of smear campaign against him..... :)
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:41,
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many on here get bored of people in the news
and turn on them very quickly, usually for no good reason. possibly something to do with smugness or something equally stupid? I for one support him, and i can only think that those who have turned on him are playing perfectly into the hands of those who are running this smear campaign against him
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Hell has no fury like a woman scorned
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Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:10,
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He's doomed really, he's going to have to try and leave at some point.
So they'll get him one way or the other.
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:25,
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his only chance is if there's some kind of dangerous situation
and they end up arresting his stunt double by mistake
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:27,
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Yeah, I'm not quite sure how this works.
Does he have to now speed through the streets in a car with diplomatic plates and be bundled into the ambassadors private jet?
If he sets foot on anything not declared Ecuadorian diplomatic property can he be arrested? Is it like tag for grown ups now? He can be 'got' in between 'safes'?
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:41,
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I don't know, how did the bad guys do it in Lethal Weapon 2?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 16:31,
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Transparency and freedom of the press are the cornerstone of wikileaks...
... except when it doesn't suit them.
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Oh How I Despise
the floppy haired, self-publicising twat...
But he's been granted political asylum. That poxy flat is, legally, Ecuadorean territory. So we have to leave the cunt alone - as long as he stays there.
The worst possible thing we could do is invoke that pathetic law and remove diplomatic privilege from that Ecuadorean territory. 'Cos, if we do, then we're establishing a precedent that embassies, consulates and any diplomatic privileges are no longer scarosanct - and that's a raod we really shouldn't travel down.
Fuck him. Grab him if he tries to leave but, for all that's fucking holy, don't fuck about with the Vienna Convention Treaty.
Cheers
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Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 14:47,
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I agree with all of this.
The sanctity of embassies is more important than any individual.
And everyone involved in this stupid pantomime seems to be some kind of scumbag.
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i agree completely with this comment about the embassy
but I think your personal feelings about Assange completely misses the point. This ISN'T about him.
Its not about his personality, popularity or celebrity, just as politics shouldn't be about personality, popularity or celebrity- which it's unfortunately become. who really gives a fuck if he's floppy haired, self-publicising twat.
Its about a cause that is a lot larger than these things, and peoples obsession with his personality really sums up everything that's wrong with our whole fucking understanding of world affairs.
Cheers
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I thought the rape charges didn't apply anymore?
Isn't the charge that he said he was wearing a condom whilst having consensual sex when he actually wasn't wearing one? A bit naughty but two years in prison for that?
I can't believe so many people are buying into all this bullshit smear campaign. Assange pissed off several governments by exposing their dirty dealings and now suddenly he's a sex offender. Coincidence?
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Yes. A bit naughty.
He shagged a woman without a condom on. Actually the condom ripped and he didn't say anything. Like THAT'S never happened before to anyone.
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Didn't realise the story was 'it ripped whilst being worn'. That does change it hugely from an instance of lying that one was being worn when it knowingly wasn't.
The latter goes beyond being 'a bit naughty' and remains more accurately categorised as 'a bit rapey'.
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Pig Bodine., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:35,
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I could be wrong
But that's how I understand it. Plus the woman he was with came back the next morning and brought him breakfast. Hardly the actions of a raped woman, surely.
But then we're on very dodgy ground. I just don't buy any of it though, it stinks.
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A second woman alledges he held her down and pressed his throbbing manhood against her.
Both cases seem conveniently hard to prove/disprove.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:49,
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I don't know if anyone's mentioned it but he has really stupid hair too.
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Pig Bodine., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:51,
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Shame they can't have their day in court to prove if they were raped or not eh?
Just had one of his luvvie mates on sating he can't be a rapist because he stay with his family and non of them were raped.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 16:35,
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you really don't like him, do you? Is it a class thing?
There are a lot of irregularities about the case that people have commented on:
*the prosecutor is a known campaigner for anti-sexual violence, in sweden prosecutors are politically appointed
*The two accused did nothing until they found out he'd slept with them both, then their action was to apply to the police to force assange to have a STI test, not accuse him of rape.
*The prosecutors met with the women later and they changed their minds and entered a plea of rape
*One of the accused was tweeting 3 hours after the alleged rape occured what a great time she was having at a party and something about a cool sports car
*the prosecutors office leaked Assanges name on one of their blogs 2 hours after the charges were made, even though in Sweden anonymity is protected
*they refused assanges offer to answer questions in the pretrial by videolink, even though normally this has been offered for outside the country
*the two accusers have allegedly sent texts to their lawyers complaining that they expected to be paid that the prosecution has, but is refusing to release to the defence.
*the accusation is around the use and/or consent in the wearing of a condom, and weather it was ignored. Both accusers say the sex itself was consensual
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 17:30,
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