Idiots, idiots everywhere!
Video of a vote leave lady, the morning after the night before.
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 14:13, Reply)
Mushrooms! Mushrooms everywhere!
Makes me wonder how many have been voting off their trolleys.
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BigWhiteTelephones, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 14:36,
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For the life of me I can't remember which way I voted yesterday
Not sure how to feel today
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 14:49, Reply)
It should have been a referendum based on Quantum Mechanics
We could be in and out of the EU at the same time and until observed. So waking up today you would see reality according to the way you voted.
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 14:56,
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Who was the twat on here moaning at me for insisting that democracy should never be given directly to the people?
Well, there's a reason for that.
Has anyone told Prufrock to fuck off yet? I think he has me on mute.
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:05, Reply)
Somebody is a little teste this morning.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:48,
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Who should have democracy then, the elite, educated, banker type person?
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:14,
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The etymology of the word suggests simply that democracy is people power.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:15,
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You elect politicians to make decisions
We have an elected political elite who know how the world works, yes. You don't directly ask people, the majority of whom are fucking idiots
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:18, Reply)
Maybe you're thinking of a a representative republic.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:28,
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I live in a northern ex-mining town
Plenty peeps I spoke to were voting Leave to keep the Syrians out even tho there are zero foreigns up here.
I'm guessing most people down south voted leave in the hope of making Britain great again like when we conquered all those crap countries.
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:31, Reply)
As an ex mining town I assume that this was a labour heartland?
Maybe if labour had addressed their concerns,pointed out where they were mistaken they would have voted differently.
Rather than leave it to the tories to make the case for remaining.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:39,
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I have to agree with you there.
I had high hopes for Corbyn but the way he had explained his position on the EU was pitiful.
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jonbob loves you, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:11,
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Looks like there's going to be a vote of no confidence in him now.
Wonder how all that new blood in the labour party that voted him in are going to respond?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:32,
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He's probably taken you off ignore, replied and then put you on ignore again.
That's what he does.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:34,
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Why even bother letting the people chose their mp?
They might choose wrong.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:45,
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During the Scottish independence referendum thingy
I heard a woman say she was going to vote Yes because "they don't sell Irn Bru in England" and "the Westminster government gives people in London luncheon vouchers".
Fuck me. I haven't even heard the phrase "luncheon voucher" since 1976, and they DO sell sodding Irn Bru in England. Still tastes like fucking Tizer.
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:17, Reply)
It's still made from girders though right?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 18:06,
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That would be me
Point proved once again I believe. If you ask the masses a question they aren't in anyway qualified or educated enough to contemplate, you end up with them voting for the loudest, flashiest, most entertaining option, in lieu of a sensible outcome.
They've been trained by years of low brow phone-ins, opinion polls and voting for x-factor clones.
We've got what we deserve yet again.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 19:55,
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This is why voting is fucked
and why I stopped bothering years ago. How can you compete with the numbers of total fuckwits out there? lol
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Voting is gay anyway
Or so I overheard whilst sucking hard, corporate cock.
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BigWhiteTelephones, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:34,
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Our area voted remain
we are not remaining. We also voted to not have conservatives, we do have conservatives. I fail to see how my vote matters in any way at this point.
Just makes me angry, so I don't bother with that shit any more, life is way better.
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what i don't understand is this "everyone should vote" bollocks
sure, if they are prepared to be informed, analyse the argument and vote with reason and research then yes, everyone should have the right to do that...
but if you are so disinterested in politics you want a bullet point summary of every issue, then no... you shouldn't fucking vote...
Just like I don't know anything about football, so I don't fucking talk about it, or try to do it... sure I have a right to... but we don't need to exercise every single one of our rights as a matter of course.
being politically literate takes time and it's really boring, if you ain't willing to put the hours in, fine... but then don't get involved and leave it to those who do want to take it seriously.
Christ it's like someone who doesn't cook standing behind a chef and telling them what ingredients should be going in... you have a right to that opinion but you've done fuck all to earn having that opinion heard...
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:53, Reply)
There's a lot of comments like this on b3ta.
Genuine question here.
What method do you use in order to determine who is eligible to vote?
Age?
Education?
Gender?
Public service?
Parentage?
Very interested in how people here think the vote should be restricted.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:09,
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I think a two stage vote would have been more sensible.
In a vote like this some are always going to use it to kick the government and the polls seem to always get it wrong, so, a dry run maybe to set a benchmark? Regardless the line should have been higher, maybe 60% before any change. I also thought they should have had a "don't Know" on the ballot. For a GE I think it should be compulsory to vote which I think they do in OZ?
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transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:20,
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Ask to see their facebook feed before allowing them into the voting station.
If it's full of 'Criminal Case' spam, shares of Britain First memes and fucking terrible vocabulary, then turn them the fuck away.
Might seem a bit snobby, but generally these sort of fuckwits are the least well informed and easiest to mislead.
Oh, and don't allow people over the age of 60 to vote. They don't have long enough left to reap the benefits or suffer the consequences.
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:21, Reply)
So thats age + education filters with a layer of stats surveillance.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:31,
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Seems fair enough, if somewhat brutal.
Older citizens are less important because they have less time left, and generally end up being a strain on the economy.
The less well formally educated are also *generally* a bit thick anyway.
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:38, Reply)
Tell you what let's fuck democracy and just have one person in charge is not too old or thick to make all the decisions
Allowing people over 60 not to vote seems harsh. Many these days will have to work to some degree into their 70s/80s to make up for trashed pensions and to pay off their 40 year mortgage or rent
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:44,
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Hypothetically in 'bastart land' a vote for income generators or classified workers could work.
I think jobless and long term sick is around 5 million? Retired many more? That is a sizable chunk of the population.
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transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:13,
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Thats rather chilling.... I do hope you never get in a position of power.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:47,
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no you misunderstand,
i'm not talking about a policy or a license to vote, i'm talking a cultural thing... we need to stop telling people "they must vote at all costs" and instead say "you don't have to vote if you don't want to take an interest, that's fine"
EDIT: to clarify i don't think the vote should be restricted, but instead we need to stop telling people they have to vote, it should be a right you choose to excersise because you have a passion or an interest, not because you have been culturally and socially bullied into it,
mainstream politics does this to "soak up" those votes and continually distort democracy, every election I hear "people died for your right to vote" and it drives me mad, people died for our right to be able to vote you know as a choice ... but there's an expectation of intellectual responsibility that goes with that....
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:31, Reply)
Ah I see, fair enough but that shouldn't be official policy in my book.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:35,
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god no, that would be a highway to fascism,
a cultural thing... totally something that ultimately WE need to realise.
I have a right to an opinion, but only an informed opinion has the right to be heard.
If we are honest with ourselves we know that turning on the tv is not recieving an informed opinion... that's lazy... and we know that in so many aspects of our lives that we actually give a shit about...
if you don't give a shit about politics, you don't have to vote...
I mean soon we'll be letting the Vegans choose the food for a BBQ... where does it end!
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:39, Reply)
Actually, how about restricting referendums to MP's themselves?
The MP is given the vote for their entire constituency. On the run up to the referendum the constituency are able to make their cases to their MP, who in turn makes the final decision as their elected representative.
Your local MP might be a fucking idiot, but tough shit. The majority of your constituency voted them in.
Local MP's (hopefully) will have a much better grasp of the matter in hand than your average Daily Mail reading, Jeremy Kyle consuming fuckwit and so the chances of the 'right' decision being put through are higher than letting the entire population of the local council estate loose on the ballot stations when their primary source of current affairs is the Britain First facebook page because "The news is well boring, innit?"
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:35, Reply)
That would be lovely
but doesn't work well with party politics. Suppose the government put forward a bill to ban, say, red paint, and my area had the largest red paint factory in the country employing hundreds. My MP though, is a member of that government, and boy, do they want a Cabinet post. Represent the people and commit career suicide or toe the party line?
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:15, Reply)
Sorry but that's a terrible idea.
Many people have no idea of what candidates' views are, much less caring enough to find out instead of just voting for whichever candidate their party of choice is fielding.
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jonbob loves you, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 19:05,
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how about: don't restrict the voters, restrict the campaigners
by holding them accountable for any lies they spin or promises they can't back up, with serious penalties
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mutated monty, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:43,
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Well that would be the end of politics
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:46,
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make political ads
subject to the same regulations as normal ads would be a nice start... an ASA for political ads through an independent fact checking body like fullfact.org
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:50, Reply)
That is a very good idea!
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HoratioFellatio Taking the the out of psychotherapist, Sat 25 Jun 2016, 10:03,
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thing is, your average person loves TV
loves getting wound up about shit they know nothing about. There were no reasonable and fact based stuff out there, just people picking a side and sticking with it. All based on shitty tabloid bull.
This is just how life is, and always will be.
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saying this is how it will always be
is exactly why this is how it will always be
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mutated monty, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:53,
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I clicked "I like this"
In my democracy I would have been able to click three times, at lest.
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MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 23:21,
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Why be negative, why not adopt more positive encouragement?
Why don't we reward politicians based on outcome?
If they keep to referendum promises and deliver them - bonus
If they keep the economy balanced - bonus
If they reduce poverty and increase permanent employment - bonus
You get the picture. Motivate to do positive change, to keep thing improving, not just ticking over or getting worse.
We also need to disassociate government from lobbying, treat it as corruption.
(, Sat 25 Jun 2016, 11:30, Reply)
It's all very ironic that there seems to be this attitude all over the Internet at the moment
by those who have deemed themselves far more competent and superior to the knuckle dragging racists who voted out.
Fact is the In campaign was a shambles of threats and scare stories. Nothing positive about Europe or a positive future in it. Having Cameron and Osborne as the two prominent faces of the In campaign was a disaster as well as so many just wanted to give them a bloody nose. There should have been a neutral but respected face to lead the remain campaign and I don't mean David Beckham.
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:54,
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ahem
It's all very ironic that there seems to be this attitude all over the Internet at the moment
by those who have deemed themselves far more competent and superior to the knuckle dragging racists who voted out.
I don't think it's that, I think it's that it's annoyance that people turned on the tv, and made such a complex decision as if they where watching big brother...
I have yet to find someone on the leave side who has truly done their research, and yet to find one that doesn't at some point spout a soundbite which has been proved to be inaccurate.
this was a battle fought with hearts when it should have been fought with minds.
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:08, Reply)
If the electorate weren't fully informed
of the benefits of staying, then whose fault is that?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:16,
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thats the lazyness i'm talking about
we know that misinformation is what will tried to be sown, so OUR responsibility is to pursue unbiased information, fucking hell, in the referendum all you had to do was google "completely independent EU advice" and you got fullfact.org... that's the bare fucking minimum effort, and most people just couldn't be bothered with it...
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:29, Reply)
Oh, wake up.
How do you think the politicians decide how to vote?
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Tusk knows where you live, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:20,
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Our elected representatives
know fuck all about the things they vote about. They get it presented in a bulletpoint list, prepared by whatever lobby/pressuregroup that have access to them.
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Tusk knows where you live, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:03,
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but I wasn't talking about elected representatives,
i was talking about the general public in a referendum situation.
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:09, Reply)
oddly
I thought the phrase "leave it to those who do want to take it seriously" was refering to politicians. I realise now I was wrong.
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Tusk knows where you live, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:18,
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no harm no foul, my sentence structure isn't great on lack of sleep and too much coffee!
see resolution... and we did it all without either of us calling the other a cunt.
it's almost like a rational discussion can be had an a mutual agreement made!
(, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 17:31, Reply)
^This
And they get as good whipping if they do not toe the line. Many enjoy this though
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 20:17,
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it's like that saying about
more cooks than needed.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JibxHpXqAfc
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It wasn't the fuckwits fault, it was those people who think they are smarter.
They just didn't bother to vote. Although 75% of people under 30 voted remain, too many just couldn't be arsed to vote, even with the extra two days to register.
So if you want to blame someone, don't bother pointing the finger at leavers, have a word with your mates who wanted to remain but didn't bother voting. They lost it, leave didn't win it.
Now of course they are demanding a new referendum. Doesn't work that way, sunshine, you had a chance and you blew it.
With thanks from those of us who did bother.
(, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 11:36, Reply)