why?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 11:56, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

Because it gives rise to a two tier society, where those without money are condemned to a second class education system.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 11:57, Reply)

I don't believe this for a second, many state schools are as good if not better than private schools

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 11:59, Reply)

It's not even the quality of education
It's the private system (at least in the most expensive ones) constantly reinforcing the idea in the children's minds that they are superior because mater and pater have stumped up a vast amount of money so that their toffee-nosed sprog could rub shoulders with "the right sort of people," who will hopefully help them get a bully job once they've fagged their way through a Bachelor's in Neo-Gothic Basket Weaving at Oxford.

Not that I've a chip on my shoulder or anything...
(LongJohnBaldry, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:01, Reply)

Also
You don't actually need to be a proper qualified teacher to teach in a private school
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:03, Reply)

to be fair
parents like that would infect their children with those ideas regardless of the school.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:04, Reply)

This is true, and I am generalising
I should add that I've met plenty of people who went to boarding school and turned out perfectly nice people. Unfortunately I also met plenty of cunts from the same institutions who though a two-tier society was a bally good idea, and what the thundering Jupiter was I doing sullying their university with my povvo state-comp background?
(LongJohnBaldry, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:06, Reply)

twats are twats regardless of backround
they jsut turn into different sorts of twats, track suits yobs hanging around bus stops intimidating or arrogant hoorah henry's who think they own the world.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:12, Reply)

it's nature and nurture
i've just been reading "the help" which is all about the concept that the little white girls loved their black nannies, but somehow grew up into thinking that making them use an outside toilet "because they have different diseases" and other beyond horrendous things was the right way to be.

what do parents say to their kids to make them think like that?!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:18, Reply)

'the help' is a really shit book, though.

( janet aylia y'all motherfuckers need jesus, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 14:26, Reply)

my woman went to private school and she hant turned out graet
so did the fit one of TOWIE, and she's thicker than dogshit
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:07, Reply)

I don't want to get into a big debate about this
but generally the schools which are the worst are those in poor areas. Which just tends to compounds the problem, I don't really agree with private education, but I don't think I'd try and stop it, I would prefer if all schools were of an excellent standard for everyone to go to, but since they aren't and realistically, they probably won't ever be, I would like to ensure that any children of mine have a good education even if that meant I had to either move house, or pay for it.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:04, Reply)

can't polish a turd, al
might as well spend the money on your tomatoes.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:19, Reply)

You are correct.
There are loads of excellent state schools and loads of shit private ones. People who trot out this 'outraged lefty student' nonsense have no idea what they are talking about AL.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:04, Reply)

I'm glad your education led to you having a firm grasp of finance.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:05, Reply)

*rolls around in pit of money*

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:06, Reply)

Can it, baldy.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:06, Reply)

lamps is happy with the plans for monday. hoorah, i am most excited
still need to email or text gonz and clendrix and TGB etc etc, will do that today!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:09, Reply)

*adjusts toupee*
HA! In your face Boyce!

On a serious note, has your good lady invited you to the upcoming hot meat session?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:10, Reply)

I wasn't suggesting that state schools are shit, mine was ace, and not all private schools are gonna be good.
But the idea that you can pay for (in theory) better education due to who your parents are doesn't sit right with me.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:07, Reply)

Why not? It's a free economy people should be able to buy waht they want
by this reckoning you disagree with private health care as well
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:10, Reply)

Barry is the original poster boy for state handouts

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:15, Reply)

If you don't hand it out, he'll nick it anyway.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:18, Reply)

He's a loveable cheeky chappie
I see him as Danny Dyer for some reason
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:20, Reply)

It would be fun to see him get punched in the face too.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:20, Reply)

I don't think it's right that you can 'buy' education.
And what I think about health care isn't relevant, you don't have to lump everything in with each other.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:16, Reply)

many of the kids who get it for free don't care about it at all
i remember having a zimbabwean taxi driver who was telling me that he used to hire himself out as muscle for the white kids - in return for walking them home, he got to read their books. it really made me think about little shits like my cousin, who is at a really good state school and talking at the weekend about getting pregnant at 16 to get a flat... when she was 8, she wanted to get good grades and be a teacher. now she's 14, she wants a sprog and a council flat? wtf?!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:26, Reply)

OMG! I can't believe emotionally immature children don't appreciate what they've got!
It's so totally unbelievable! I know when I was 14 I was totally appreciative of absolutely everything that I had!
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:30, Reply)

why don't you tell me how you want me to react
and i'll do it? saves all the pissing around.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:34, Reply)

And where would the fun in that be?

(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:36, Reply)

you and i have very different ideas of fun
eg, you like to laugh at my dead mother. whereas i am waiting for your wife to have several painful bloody miscarriages and nearly die in labour before running off with the hot, high-earning doctor - leaving you to bring up a mong-child that looks nothing like you to rub salt into the final aching wounds - before i mock you.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:40, Reply)

Actually they sound pretty similar ideas
Perhaps you two should get together over a drink to discuss it further?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:44, Reply)

only if i get to wear my ipod throughout
i hear he has a laugh like a donkey fucking a seal
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:46, Reply)

Interesing isn't it
she's wishing severe physical and emotional trauma on a woman she's never met, just because I disagree with her opinions on how a "good" society should operate.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:49, Reply)

haha no it isn't
it's because i think she married a cunt!

also the wishes part of it are not genuine. well, maybe the running off with a hot rich doctor. that part i do wish for her.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:51, Reply)

Again, I wish it weren't needed as I believe that we should all be able to access a good health care system for free.
But that isn't going to stop me obtaining private health insurance as the system we currently have just isn't good enough.

Of course there is an argument that says that if you can afford private health care and education then you should do and keep funding a state system for those that can't afford it.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:17, Reply)

That is what I believe.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:29, Reply)

Trouble with this is, you get people like Swipe who start saying
"why should I be contributing to this state system when it doesn't benefit me, if they want health care they should pay for it like I do" and then you get a run down system that doesn't work properly and ultimately your society ends up suffering.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:39, Reply)

if you're going to quote me, do it properly.
i have never ever said i should not contribute to it. all i ever said was, fuck me, if i have to pay a fortune in tax, can't they spend it properly please. i have never begrudged paying money for education, but i have a brother who is deputy head of a state school, and my mother was head of a state infant school, and my cousin teaches in a state school... and ALL of them have/had the most horrendous stories about how the money gets wasted and doesn't go on the right bits!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:42, Reply)

You don't believe in free education post-18 though

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:46, Reply)

again, not an accurate quote
i said, and have always said, it should be merit-based. if you get good grades, you get it free. which can be weighted towards state schools to make it fair. i would also make it harder to get funding for some courses than others, eg medicine and teaching degrees should have lower threshholds, surfing studies should have a 10 A threshhold!

what i then said was, the students rioting because they EXPECT it for free regardless of the merits of their achievements or proposed courses etc is not something i can get on board with.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:48, Reply)

Fair enough, you did say that.
I don't think you are accurately portraying the students who were rioting demonstrating though. Forgive me if I missed it, but I didn't hear any of them quoted as EXPECTING free education regardless of the merits of their achievements or proposed courses. I think they just wanted everybody to be able to have a fair crack at it.
Let's not start that discussion up again though, eh?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:56, Reply)

i have a meeting now
so yes, let's not! x
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 13:00, Reply)

gerra room

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 13:15, Reply)

Down with parental choice

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:00, Reply)

If i were a parent i'd choose to give away a downs

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:00, Reply)

Cruel but sensible

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:01, Reply)

and
those awful kids who were bright enough to get scholarships that paid for their own education from age 9-21. i mean, god.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:01, Reply)

THEY ARE OPPRESSING THE NOBLE WORKERS!!!!

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:05, Reply)

well yeah
and not paying any sort of taxes to support the education system once they qualify. in fact - my dad even had to pay tax on my scholarships, which i remember thinking was a bit unfair, since the scholarship was technically mine, and i didn't pay tax at the age of 9.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:07, Reply)