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	since most of the people here are athiest, why do you celebrate christmas?
 	i mean hellooooo
hypocrites or what
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:04,
	
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	Christmas isn't about Jesus any more that's why. 
 	
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Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:05,
	
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	It's about me getting a Macbook Pro on Sunday. 
 	
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Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:06,
	
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	that's the whole point of CHRISTmas
 	I'm not even a religion nut bag, but ffs for people to run their traps about how stupid people can be for believing in god, they sure don't mind celebrating a holiday that's based upon religion, whether they incorporate jesus or god or whatever into it or not, it's still hypocritical
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:08,
	
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	Who are these "people"? 
 	
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Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:10,
	
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	most of the people on here are athiest, no?
 	they may not constantly have arguments about it, but when they do, my god the certainly come out of the woodwork
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:11,
	
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	I don't think I've ever seen anyone on here call others stupid for believing in God. 
 	
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Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:20,
	
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	people who believe in god are fucken idiots
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:21,
	
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	Well said Internet-son
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:24,
	
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	cheers dad, fucken religious nuts trying to ruin christmas pricks
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:25,
	
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	stick around
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:27,
	
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	if you believe in god you're thicker, and smellier than dog shit
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:27,
	
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	I'm not sure that everybody sees it as a day wholly devoted to the birth of Christ though.
 	I mean, my family uses it as an opportunity to spend time together and be thankful that we have each other.
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Poppet some assembly required., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:11,
	
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	oi, stupid american
 	shut the fuck up. Christmas has fuck all to do with Jesus.
People have always celebrated winter in one way or another, so shut your fucken pie hole and calm the fuck down
Jesus's birthday was in july fer fucks sake, those roman catholics just stole christmas day to fit in tiwth the locals, you prick
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:11,
	
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	you're a fucking idiot and you should go back to whatever hole you crawled out of
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:13,
	
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	yeah i'm the idiot
 	your the prick coming on here going 'o people who aren't christian shouldn't celebrate christmas' fuck the fuck off motherfucker
fucken christmas has nothing to do with dead jewish babies, they celebrate it all over the world and don't call it christmas
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:14,
	
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	I'd celebrate National Massive Gaylord Day if I got a day off work and a nice meal.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:12,
	
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	well
 	you are a massive gaylord
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:14,
	
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	:(
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:15,
	
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	It's based on the seasons changing. And the coming of spring.
 	Religion just jumped in on it.
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PsychoChomp, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:49,
	
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	it never fucken was
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:15,
	
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	I put it to you, my dear, sweet Kristabelle, that you are drunk.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:05,
	
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	You're wrong. 
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:09,
	
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	Well you should be.
 	Are you well? Aside from an evil red wine hangover I'm pretty good, myself.
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:11,
	
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	I"m awake when I shouldn't be
 	I need to brush my teeth and go back to sleep
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:14,
	
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	you need a fucken santa bomb in your a-hole, thats waht you need
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:15,
	
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	Don't be ruining a perfectly good Christmas with religion, you
 	
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 Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:07,
	
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	if this bitch dont calm down and apologise i swear to god i'm leaving 4eva
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:16,
	
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	peace out  mother fucker
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:19,
	
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	STOP RUINDING JESUSES BIRTHDAY
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:20,
	
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	That would be the best Christmas present imaginable.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:19,
	
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	i hope this makes the popular page
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:26,
	
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	why, because your too stupid and brainwashed by religion to come up with your own arguement?
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:27,
	
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	as if you have, try reading through the shit you've written, it doesn't involve much of an argument does it?
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:28,
	
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	of course it does
 	1. christmas comes froma  winter festival that was celebrated for centuries before chritsmas
2. jesus was not a magic baby born in a barn of immaculate conception
3. jesus was not a messiah, it was a fairy story written in a time of sea monsters, witches and druids, all of which everyone now knows was piffle
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	Christmas is bent.
 	
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 JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:18,
	
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	It sho' nuff is.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:18,
	
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	christmas is great, i love christmas
 	for some reason this year i've noticed lots of people being unusally nice to each other in public, festive spirit innit?
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:19,
	
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	You know how wherever you go people look jolly etc?
 	It's because they're all laughing at you.
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:20,
	
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	nah cos it were only recent
 	last few weeks i've seen 3 people going out of there way to help others
sbloody lovely that
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:21,
	
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	My Christmas' are always a mixed bag.
 	Glad to see everyone again, but it's boring, then I inevitably start seeing someone whilst conveniently forgetting I'm leaving again in three weeks. Then I get back to uni depressed about it.
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Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:27,
	
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	Christmas has fuck all to do with religion.
 	Poke it.
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	but...but...but...but nobody believes in the baby jesus anymore...!
 	of course they fucken don't, it was a fairy story made up by pricks 2000 years ago cos they didn't have xbox, shut the fuck up and gimme that turkey, shitface
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:23,
	
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	Bits of it are a nice story.
 	As a philospher, he had some nice ideas.
The whole notion of celebrating the birth of the idea of tolerance regardless of race or religion is nice enough.
And it's an excuse for a focal point of festivities at the end of the year. Get togther with your family. Show each other you care. All that.
Religion can fuck off out of it. It's about love, caring and kindness.
And any prick who can't see the sense in that can go bleed to death out their miserable arseholes.
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	What he said^
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:40,
	
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	oh but doing so without being christian makes you a HYPOCRITE
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:42,
	
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	I'm the opposite of a hypocrite.
 	Everything I say is so consistent with everything else I have ever said or done that it is unnatural and creates wormholes.
I'm a hypercrite, if anything.
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	A good excuse to eat, drink and see family and friends.
 	I don't really celebrate Christmas, I celebrate a generic winter festival, using mostly pagan symbolism, but Christmas rolls of the tongue more easily and everyone knows what you mean.
I may start calling it Winterval, just to annoy 
people Daily Mail readers
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:23,
	
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	lets start calling it 'the baby who was shat out in a barn 2011 years and six months ago'
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:26,
	
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	Except he wasn't
 	Nah, I'm happy with Yule basically, pretty much every 'christmas' symbol barring the actual nativity was lifted from the pagans and even the nativity was stolen form previous religeons I suspect.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:29,
	
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	i know your talken sense but please don't confuse me with facts
 	i prefer to believe in a story made up by romans because my parents told me to
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:30,
	
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	There was no such person.
 	FFS.
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Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:31,
	
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	yes there was i saw it in a book!
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:33,
	
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	The nativity was lifted piecemeal from the storey of mithras.
 	Except he was born in a cave, not a barn. But it was supposed to be a virgin birth and all that.
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 b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:31,
	
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	*finger on nose, Points*
 	That's the one I was thinking of.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:33,
	
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	The whole bible was created at the council of thingy in 300 and something.
 	Council of Nicaea? Something like that. The johnnies in charge looked at all the contemporary writings and picked the ones they liked the best to make up a book. If you read the coptic gospels they say quite a few completely different things. They're some of the books that didn't make the final cut.
Obviously I'm talking about the new testament here.
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 b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:37,
	
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	yeah, the jews don't celebrate chrismtas either
 	....oh wait no, hannukah
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:39,
	
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	It's riveting stuff.
 	All of the 'Jesus as militant dissident' stuff was removed to make it palatable to potential Roman converts.
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:49,
	
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	I have read extensively on Mithraism.
 	It's fascinating.
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:38,
	
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	+ me
 	Winterval is a bent name.
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:27,
	
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	Agreed!
 	
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:31,
	
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	Marry Winterval Beakers!
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:34,
	
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	And a decadent Yule to you, squire!
 	
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:34,
	
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	I shall be seeing you for New Years I think.
 	I do hope so.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	Hurrah!
 	Good times! I may have need to take you up on the offer of crash space in the new year. Since we're definitely moving it's likely I'll have job interviews around London at some stage.
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:37,
	
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	Shouldn't be a problem if you like Sofas
 	Give me a bit of notice to pick up spare keys from my mate and it's all good.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:41,
	
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	Excellent, many thanks
 	Waiting 'til the new year to start applying. Probably try the agency route to begin with.
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:42,
	
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	Well no worries then.
 	If you need to stay at a weekend it may be even more crowded due to my son staying, but it's all manageable, if possibly crowded.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:03,
	
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	Then May I be the first to wish you a Merry Winterval Mr. Boyce? 
 	*two thumbs up like Wee Jimmy Krankie*
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:32,
	
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	*two thumbs up Wee Jimmy Krankie*
 	
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:34,
	
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	May I be the first in a long line of people to run at you at full pelt
 	and boot you savagely in the bollocks?
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:35,
	
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	*chuckle*
 	You will not dampen my festive spirit Boyce. I hope you have a good one you mangy hippy.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:37,
	
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	You too, gaylord.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:38,
	
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	*minces in a festive manner*
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:42,
	
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	Would that involve mixed peel?
 	
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:43,
	
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	Mmmmm... Miss Peel
 	
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 The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:54,
	
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	People have been calling Christmas winterval for AGES. It's essentially what Yule means.
 	Yule was around long before Christmas.
No one ever got upset about people calling it Yule.
Why do they find Winterval so upsetting?
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	because its the muslings taking away our rights
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:40,
	
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	I farted in a muslings milk.
 	
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	Because the Daily Mail made made up a story about Birmingham (??) council banning Christmas
 	and replacing it with Winterval, when in fact they were just using the name Winterval to cover Christmas, Hanukkah and whatever it is the other forrins celebrate. It's a classic "political correctness gone MAAAAAAD!" story, i.e. almost completely made up.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:45,
	
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	Well, quite. I mean, I know all that.
 	But even if it were true (which it isn't) why get so worked up? It's entirely synonymous with the word "Yule", which has never upset anyone.
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	Not quite.
 	Yule is the ancient Pagan festival, Winterval is a more modern invention, not that I'm bothered. as for why get worked up, *shrug* you'd have to ask someone who is. I'm not fussed what it's called.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:52,
	
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	Because it's a horrible portmanteau and just sounds bent.
 	Yule sounds nicely archaic, Winterval sounds like a promotional event at a regional shopping centre.
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:51,
	
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	Yeah, but it annoys people and I like annoying people.
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:52,
	
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	You should call it 'I hate niggers' then.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:54,
	
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	You'd be hugely popular in New Cross.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:58,
	
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	Wouldn't dream of stealing your shtick old boy
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:58,
	
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	It's a cultural thing.
 	Regarding the Winter Solstice.
Christians merely hijacked it, for their own ends. Anyway, the pubs are all shut, and there's usually a good meal kicking round.
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Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:26,
	
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	I would just like to announce a very happy Christmas to all on this board.
 	The grumpy ones and happy ones,
The baldies and the hairsuite,
The thin ones and the LOLfatties,
The breasted and the moobed,
Equines and annoying little spastics are included.
So, thanks for a great year.
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 Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:28,
	
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	That's almost a Christmas carol.
 	Just don't go singing it at my front door.
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Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:30,
	
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	I will if you don't give me fiver mister.
 	
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 Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:31,
	
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	You'll get a fucking boiling hot pan full of chip fat out the window.
 	Was it you trick or treating too?
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	Certainly was.
 	I super glued your mum's clunge, and now it smells like Grimsby.
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 Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:39,
	
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	"Darling, kiss me where it smells".
 	So we drove to Hull.
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	Hahaha
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:50,
	
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	Merry WInterval Bart
 	I hope it's a good one.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:34,
	
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	I'm fucking warning you, pal.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	And I'm not listening Boyce.
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:45,
	
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	And to you too CQ.
 	
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 Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:37,
	
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	HAPPY WINTERVAL EVERYBODY, HAPPY NOT BABY JESUS DAY
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:38,
	
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	And to you, mein herr.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	Cheers Monty, 
 	
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 Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:42,
	
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	It might be called Christmas but it has been usurped
 	just as it usurped the pagan winter festivals before it. By your logic, we shouldn't have Father Christmas, presents, trees, decorations, cake, or a fucking great big meal. All of everything that you associate with Christmas aside from the Nativity has fuck all to do with Christianity.
And that, my colonial compadre, is what we call an owning.
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	no, I think those that don't believe shouldn't have those things
 	we have them because of those men in the desert in robes that brought baby jesus gifts and rum pum pum pum
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	They're not even mentioned in the Bible
 	They're stories and symbols that have been incorporated since the the idea of the modern Christmas evolved at some point in the 19th Century.
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:33,
	
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	I think their main point was to show that Jesus' teachings were for everyone, not just Jews, too.
 	Which, really, just serves to suggest that the early interpretations of the Jesus story were that religion is unimportant. It's what you do in life that counts.
Another thing well worth celebrating.
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	I don't believe in Jesus or God
 	and so I don't go to church for Christ's mass. Sorry, K, but with respect, you're wrong.
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	I don't think so.
 	I can say that each of us believe what we believe, I'm just drumming up an argument because it's 5am here and I'm bored.
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:34,
	
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	I am aware of the irony in presenting these arguments
 	whilst my username is the way it is.
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 Kroney, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	so NER 
 	*flicks nose*
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	Yeah? Well you
 	smell of POO
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 Kroney, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:38,
	
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	nah I had a nice lush baaaffff earlier this eve 
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:38,
	
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	Myrrh is used for embalming
 	Strange pressie for a new-born I always thought.
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:39,
	
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	And Frankincense fucking HONKS
 	
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 Kroney, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:43,
	
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	No wonder, it's made from dead body parts.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:47,
	
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	Those kings or wise men or whatever the fuck they were supposed to be really hated that kid
 	I expect the gold they gave him had been specially sneezed on by somebody in the grips of end stage smallpox.
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 Kroney, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:56,
	
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	don't backpedal godsquad, we all know your a prick
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:34,
	
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	ooh burn
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	i'm going to masterbate my anus with a crucifix
 	then i'll highfive santa at the mall and get myself a kinect for xmas
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:37,
	
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	why not try asking for a life instead?
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:38,
	
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 	asking for a taking your
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:40,
	
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	*shakes hands*
 	and with that ladies and gents, I'm off.
If I don't see you before I hope you all have a WONDERFUL HOLIDAY, a fucking drunk ass new year and many many lumps of coal.
xxxxx
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:42,
	
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	And you, K
 	Enjoy!
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:43,
	
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	i hope you get killed by jews
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:44,
	
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	because who would i ask for that?
 	a non-existent deity? thats hardly likely to prove fruitful
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:41,
	
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	Would we still have polar bears drinking coke on their ice floes?
 	
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 b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:33,
	
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	Polar bears drink Cresta not Coke.
 	
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 Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	you idiot, have you not seen the ad?
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	Ha! If you were really a grown up you'd know what he's talking about.
 	
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 b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:39,
	
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	you just called yourself old
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:40,
	
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	Did I? I thought I called myself a grown up.
 	But I am old anyway. Everyone knows this.
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 b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:43,
	
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	yeah, old like the story of jesus, which is being moved into a care home to rot and die where it should be
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:43,
	
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	Have you not seen the ad?
 	www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Adverts/Question322363.html
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 Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:41,
	
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	i don't understand
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:43,
	
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	Before your time, Never mind.
 	
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 Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:53,
	
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	Polar bears eat their own young
 	I don't think we should take their preference in beverages too seriously.
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 Kroney, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:39,
	
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	The Bible doesn't give a date or even a year of Jesus' birth
 	The year was worked up apprximately by Dionysius Exiguus who calculated his age in accordance with the reigns of Roman Emperors of the time. Apparently.
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:30,
	
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	I like these facts.
 	
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 Lisette von Falcon, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:32,
	
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	Damn those greasy bubbles.
 	
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 Kroney, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:35,
	
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	Did I write worked up?
 	Fuck me, I meant worked out, obviously.
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:36,
	
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	Don't get worked out about it, Beeky.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:39,
	
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	But my illusions of erudition have been shattered,
 	
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:40,
	
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	What massive illusions they were. Or even delusions.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:43,
	
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	*facepalms*
 	Shit.
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:44,
	
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	Try again next year, lad.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:46,
	
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	because it's there,
 	Git nothing else to do in December. 
Why you all humbug, its a good time to see family and put a little cheer in the dark winter months.
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 Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:42,
	
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	It's not about jesus.
 	It's about how Bishop Nikolaos of Myra in the fourth century became so filled with love by the teachings of a madman called Jesus of Nazareth 300 years earlier, that he got magical powers, moved to the North Pole and started making Gameboys for little girls and boys who had been good.
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:47,
	
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	BUT WHY DOES HE WEAR RED?
 	
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 Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:49,
	
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	That's down to Coca Cola allegedly
 	
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:51,
	
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	Nope.
 	c-belo
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:52,
	
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 	c  Brian
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:57,
	
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 	belo Eno
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 Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:06,
	
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	FACT TIME...
 	Nothing to do with Coca Cola. (although they did repopularise this colour scheme after it had gone out of fashion)
The typical santa redness and suit design is largely derived from traditional bishop garb of that region at that time.
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:51,
	
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	I thought it was related to the fly agaric mushroom's colours.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:52,
	
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 	h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/A6084218
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:53,
	
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	Ooooh
 	It's like QI this, without the gratuitous Alan Davies
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:58,
	
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	That's a really interesting read
 	and I believe the arguments to be pretty persuasive, too. A similar case is made for the idea of witches flying and having toads as pets - if you lick the backs of certain species of toad you trip the fuck on out, I understand.
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:04,
	
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	Linked to the idea of the viking Berzerkers as well.
 	
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 Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:27,
	
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	That website looks like shit written by wankers.
 	
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PsychoChomp, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:02,
	
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	Whilst that may be true
 	I've seent the arguments being made by anthropolists on a BBC2 documentary so I wouldn't write them off on that basis.
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:06,
	
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	I would
 	Anyone that makes their argument on the internet using a website is almost certainly more wrong than Monty Boyce at a music convention.
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Bazongaloid, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:10,
	
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	I don't buy it.
 	Seems more likely that Santa looks like St Nicholas on account of them being the same persons.
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:12,
	
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	Now that is good facting.
 	
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 Kroney, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:55,
	
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	In the 1700s St Nick began being represented a bit like the Green Man from English folklore;
 	fat, beardy, green coated, spirit of plenty.
Then the two different images began to merge.
Coca cola used this merged version because it was their corporate colours. This cemented it as the typical version.
But you only have to look back a hundred years or so and there's a mix of green santa, red santa, and st nick in typical bishop garb.
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:07,
	
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	coolio.
 	
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 Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:04,
	
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	Also, amongst bazillions of other things, St Nick is the patron saint of my hometown; Portsmouth.
 	
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:08,
	
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	for some reason i thought st nick was connected to tsar nicholas 3,
 	But that must be bollocks someone told me.
Pompey needs a good patron saint, it lost all its charm with the destruction of the tricorn. But we've discussed that before. 4EvR in r shopping.
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 Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:18,
	
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	I'll just say this:
 	It was shortsightedness to knock the Tricorn down. I loved it. It was special, unique and another word synonymous with special and unique.
Now we have a typical glass roofed boring mall. Whoop-di-fucking-doo.
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:22,
	
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	I think you've failed to grasp
 	The difference between 'celebrating' Christmas and simply having a party and swapping presents.
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 10:55,
	
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	i didn't get you anything
 	
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 Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:03,
	
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	I don't really deserve anything to be honest
 	I hope you and the lady have as good a chrimble as poss.(smiley face)
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:04,
	
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	I think you've failed to grasp the difference between Fuck Off and Fuck Off you stupid cunt.
 	
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Bazongaloid, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:06,
	
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	OH OH A NEW PERSON
 	QUICK, TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:10,
	
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	You're getting into the spirit of things Mumps.
 	Merry Winterval to you and yours.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:10,
	
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	No, that would be fairly clear
 	Why so upset?
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:10,
	
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	He has a tiny penis.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:11,
	
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	I stole it from you
 	
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Bazongaloid, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:13,
	
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	I want that penis back you cunt.
 	
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:16,
	
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	He's not upset, he's just Al.
 	There is no known cure.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:11,
	
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	When will the tropical fruit based hatred end?
 	*despairs*
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:15,
	
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	Do you have any tropical fruit juice?
 	I prefer mango, but I'd accept passionfruit.
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Bazongaloid, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:16,
	
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	I don't sadly
 	I did have some fresh pineapple yesterday. It was delicious. I always feel a bit cheated by pineapple. You don't get a lot of useable fruit out of one.
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	I find that while it is yummy
 	it's too acidic for me to drink or eat much of it.
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Bazongaloid, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:21,
	
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	FUCKIN NUT HIM KP!!!
 	lol nut related joke
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:12,
	
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	Ha, LIKES
 	
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:13,
	
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	Early onset male pattern baldness
 	His mum got him a can of that spray on shit for crimblemas
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 Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:14,
	
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	She's a Yank
 	She's also just looking for a fight.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:10,
	
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	Oh, I know
 	Just wanted to join in
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:10,
	
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	Good Good.
 	What flavour of Spacker are you kid?
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:12,
	
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	Fig and armagnac
 	
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:14,
	
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	Oh dear, that sounds pretty gross.
 	Well a Merry Winterval to you and yours, if you have any, none the less.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:15,
	
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	Thank you, and to yours
 	Fig and armagnac ice cream is WELL NICE!
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:17,
	
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	Hmm, I suspect we may not be friends once my current festive mood wears off.
 	So brace your self to be called cunt next year, but for now, each to their own.
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	I accept this season-inspired (albeit it temporary) olive branch
 	
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:21,
	
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	Good lad.
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:23,
	
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	Oh man, totally just had a quisoinnte and a pan'o'shokola
 	and carton of mango juice.
I love mango juice, it's my new favourite juice. I reckon the girl in the Rubicon advert is well dirty.
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Bazongaloid, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:07,
	
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	Gonz?
 	
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:16,
	
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	He's not here right now
 	would you like to leave a message?
I'll tell him you said "neigh neigh neigh neigh" 
COS U IS A HORSE INNIT!!!!!1111!!!!!
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Bazongaloid, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	my mum was a horse
 	at least, thats what i think dad said
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:20,
	
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	what rubicon advert?
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	i think you have a point
 	she looks a bit like olivia la roche
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:28,
	
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	This year christmas can ram its head up jesus cunt and swivel.
 	
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:11,
	
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	Merry McFestivus to you MMPS
 	(wink)
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:13,
	
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	Cheers new user. 
 	I hopes it finds you in good spirits. *double winks*
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:15,
	
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	Oh, I'm certain it will
 	I learned a new number the other day. Undecillion. One and 36 zeroes apparently.
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:16,
	
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	Sounds like a mythical creature.
 	And lo, did Edval Cuntfucker stumble upon a Undecillion, then he did smite it right in the fuck.
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	nice
 	
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Kid Presentable, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	i think i'd bored after about 20 zeros,
 	Probably why I'm not an undecillionaire.
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 Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:20,
	
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	Fuck you.
 	
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:16,
	
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	Morning darling.
 	I'm having a coffee. SO THERE.
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	Oh man, I'M HAVING COFFEE TOO
 	*COFFEE FIVES*
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 broadsword now that's fresh, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:20,
	
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	i don't like coffee
 	
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Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:21,
	
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	*fist pumps*
 	Alright broady?
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:22,
	
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	alright mmps
 	I saw this couple in WH Smiths yesterday, they were on the fat side of chubby and impossibly internet, pretty sure they must've been b3tans on their way to a bash.
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 broadsword now that's fresh, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:24,
	
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	I think it's the law that b4shes are for the wobblers.
 	I wonder who it was.
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:27,
	
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	I had a coffee earlier.
 	
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The Personality Horse www.tinyurl.com/perhor, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:23,
	
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	*COFFEE MOTHERFUCKING FIVES*
 	
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 broadsword now that's fresh, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:24,
	
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	's a larf innit?
 	
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 broadsword now that's fresh, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	*coughs*
 	Psst! You spelt "breasts" wrong.
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LongJohnBaldry, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:27,
	
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	i like festive breasts
 	
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 broadsword now that's fresh, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:29,
	
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	We wish you a merry breastmas?
 	
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LongJohnBaldry, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:33,
	
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	AND A TITTY NEW YEAR :) :) :) :) :)
 	
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 broadsword now that's fresh, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:36,
	
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	I'm out of here.
 	I would like to wish you all a very merry Christmas*.

*Unfortunately my parents brought me up to tell the truth, so instead I hope you all die you fucking cunts.
x
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 Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:19,
	
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	See Ya monts, have a good one.
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:21,
	
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	I walked past a pub today that made me think of you.
 	It was called 'The Olde Cock'.
Happy Fucking Christmas, Fella.
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 scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:23,
	
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	I hope you die in a fire caused by faulty christmas lights.
 	Have a good one Monty.
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 mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:23,
	
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	Hope you have a lovely christmas, and Jesus brings you the David Bowie Box Set you've been hankering after all year.
 	
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LongJohnBaldry, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:26,
	
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	Because, as most of you all have hinted already, what was once a religious festival
 	has, increasingly, given way to simply being a national tradition. 
If anything, I'm tempted to start splitting hairs with the semantics on this one and say I don't "celebrate" christmas, per se, rather, I go back to visit my folks' and enjoy the holiday associated with it. I buy them shit presents as per the traditions that are usually followed in this country - note that the traditions are different for christmas in France or Germany; these have become cultural rather than religious traditions.
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	There's a case for saying it was always cultureal and relgieon has just piggybacked of and existing human need to brighten up the shittiest time of year.
 	
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 CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:45,
	
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	Alright you two.  
 	Never mind all that, get the fucking beers in.
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Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 23 Dec 2011, 11:47,
	
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