I think religions ought to be able to decide who they can marry based on their beliefs.
Whatever they may be. I don't have to agree with it, which is why I will be having a civil ceremony, for preference.
( Kroney, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:46, 2 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

The point of this though was that a civil registrar said he shouldn't have to carry out civil partnerships
and another was a relationship counsellor who wouldn't help gay couples
(Bazongaloid, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:48, Reply)

If you don't like your job, don't do it.
Simple.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:49, Reply)

*compares the beer mat*

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:49, Reply)

.com

(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:50, Reply)

I think that was the joke in the first place lokesy you mongoloid freak of nature.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:52, Reply)

Because it is against their beliefs.
Who cares, get someone else.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:49, Reply)

this.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:50, Reply)

Bollocks.
If your beliefs prohibit you from doing your job properly, you should be fired.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:20, Reply)

If he's refusing to do his job, he should get disciplined and then sacked.
He's a representative of the government performing a legal ceremony. He doesn't get to choose unless it's illegal.

As far as the relationship councillor goes, if they're self-employed they get to choose their clients. They also get to be sued if they refused clients on discriminatory grounds.
( Kroney, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:53, Reply)

Grow up.
You can't just discipline on a point of religious difference. It's one of those (few) things where an employer has to be careful.

The relationship councillor is unlikley to be sued, whoever referred un-councilled couples to him/her will be the one that gets sued.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:56, Reply)

I like how you can't mount an argument so you just say the othe person is being immature.
The whole point of this is that the employer was ruled to be totally correct for sacking the registrar for refusing to do his job simply because of his own bigoted views.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:02, Reply)

I'm suggesting that the best of dealing with it
is NOT the handwringing "sack him" level of PC that goes into these decisions. The thing with the registrar was easy to solve - he doesn't do same sex marriages, another registrar does. Nobody won here.

I have to say that I don't have a problem with people holding any of these views, they are not my views and I feel are misguided but that's the thing with views and opinions: they are easy to ignore.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:10, Reply)

But why should a government employee put all the other staff at a disadvantage because of their personal bigotted views?
What if all the staff at that council decided that they personally would like to refuse to help anyone called Steve, for no justifiable reason at all, just an arbitrary decision? That's exactly what's happened here.

You can't have a point of principle that says this council will not discriminate against people based on race or sexuality and then allow members of staff to do just that.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:16, Reply)

If it's anything like most public sector jobs,
a main part of the job description is to be able to work with and for people of different race/religion/sexuality and not to descriminate based on that.
He'd have applied for a job while knowing that he couldn't do that.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:18, Reply)

This is a standard nhs clause.
The jobholder must comply with all policies and procedures designed to ensure equality of employment. No person whether they are staff, patient or visitor should receive less favourable treatment because of their gender, ethnic origin, age, disability, sexual orientation, religion etc.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:20, Reply)

I'm not hand-wringing. As far as I'm concerned his job is to marry people.
He refused to marry certain people because he doesn't like their sexual orientation. If I refused to do my job because I didn't like somebody's sexual orientation, I would be disciplined and, if I did it again, sacked.

I don't see how the two things are different.
( Kroney, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:17, Reply)

They aren't.
It's quite simple.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:18, Reply)

OK good, just making sure.
Stunned doesn't seem to agree.
( Kroney, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:20, Reply)

That's hardly surprising.
He's not the smartest cookie in the crumble.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:21, Reply)

completely agreeing with Al yet again here.
I'm starting to get worried about myself.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:26, Reply)

You'll be frothing at the left wing clopper of indignation in no time

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:28, Reply)

Just as long as no-one starts reverse dutch steamboating swipe.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:30, Reply)

It's not a point of religious difference.
They are refusing to do something that is specifically part of their job. You aren't discriminating against them. They are repeatedly and deliberately failing to fulfil the terms of their contract. Their reasons for doing so are almost entirely irrlevant.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:23, Reply)

oh Kroney, I thought you'd never ask!
Of course I'll get a civil ceremony with you.

Doesn't really have the same ring to it does it.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:48, Reply)

Yeah, so gay couples should be able to get married
and have all the same rights and privileges resulting from that. I'm not disputing that, I'm just saying that religion doesn't have to do it.
( Kroney, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:55, Reply)

An easy solution would be to exterminate all the gays, then these issues wouldn't arise

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 13:57, Reply)

Same with the asians. There wouldn't be any racism if there weren't any asians over here.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:00, Reply)

this guy gets it
and the irony of you posting this from poland is deep and rich
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:01, Reply)

Do you know, in all the time I've spent here I have *never* seen a jew?
I wonder why?
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 15 Jan 2013, 14:02, Reply)