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# I don't smoke but I find this annoying
afterall the whole point of putting cigs on display is that you can see the price!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:58, archived)
# I do not smoke cigarettes, but it is shit.
What is the score with not being able to smoke in open spaces, such as open rail platforms, parks, hospital grounds and so on?

Why the fuck gives anyone the right to dictate what others do to themselves?
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:00, archived)
# You have not come to terms with the fact that
democracy and freedom is a facade and in actual fact we are property of the state!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:03, archived)
# is it that strict over there?
here smoking in public is within open spaces and im fine with it.

though idon't want to be in a lift with someone smoking
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# aside from anything else, smoking in open spaces such as you describe,
leads to extra cleaning, as very often bins are not provided, and even if they are, there's still
a high amount of smokers who drop and stomp their butts anywhere they like.
Irrespective of anything else, at least it helps reduce part of the litter problem they cause.
Mind you, this is a minor point in the grand scheme of things
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# Last time I went to the station I saw a little boy vomit on the stairs.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:05, archived)
# Drunk again - the youth of today!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# Ban this sick filth.
(I helped save b3ta! An Eagle in Your Mind, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
#
filth


(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Was he fined?
Was he made to pick it up?
Was he abused by passers by?
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Scampered off onto the train.
Git.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:09, archived)
# BAN THOSE CHILDREN!!
put them under the counter
(I helped save b3ta! harribobs invented christmas on, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:08, archived)
# Littering is the problem there,
not smoking.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# Fair point...
But when, in the absence of a bin withing a couple of metres, did you last see a smoker stub out his cigarette and take the butt away for disposal later?
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:08, archived)
# no, smoking is fine, but the butts often cause the litter
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:09, archived)
# Indeed.
I have no problem with punishing littering, but find the idea that banning smoking is the way to stop fag buts, rather than enforcing the ban on dropping them.

Let's ban all streets - that'll stop street crime.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:12, archived)
# Start with Street in Somerset.
Clark's Village for the ultimate, cacophonous loss.

/West Country obscurity
(I helped save b3ta! An Eagle in Your Mind, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:20, archived)
# I went to school in Street
/Millfield boy
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:24, archived)
# I thought Clark's Village was hell on earth
but then I went to the new Westfield last week and found the hidden layer of hell
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:25, archived)
# I am full to the brim with excuses not to go there.
I only have to use them a couple of times a year, but it was a decent investment nevertheless.
(I helped save b3ta! Kallus speaks for the Spores, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:47, archived)
# Well -
I've not heard of it being banned in parks or open rail platforms. Any links?

Hospital grounds banning smoking, though, seems to me not to be unreasonable, what with hospitals being about health, an' all...
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# Railway platforms count as enclosed spaces.
There's certainly signs up.
(I helped save b3ta! IHaveABadFeelingAboutThis most likely working from home on, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# If a relative of mine dies in hospital and someone tries to stop me having a ciggie outside the hospital
it'll be bloody dangerous for their health.

(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# This.
Find me some documentation on the health affects of smoking.

I think that statistically smoking over 20 a day reduces the life span by 2 years?

Compare this to car related issues - why do we allow ambulances to drive on hospital grounds? We should ban CDs TODAY - they are made with plastics.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:10, archived)
# I'm currently watching my dad go through a rather awful bout of treatment for Hepatitis C
(he may have got this due to blood transfusions/shots in the Army, so another aside to this comment is to ask you if you've been tested for it).

He drank for years and years, which didn't help it, and really fucked things up for a long time. Cirrohsis, for one.

Are they going to demonise alcohol? Are they bollocks.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:13, archived)
# Its alraedy started
but on a much smaller scale

I reckon we will see tv ads for alcohol banned in our lifetime
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# I want to see ads for TVs banned in alcohol
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:20, archived)
# 20 minutes on the tube
is equivelent of smoking two fags in terms of the carconegins you inhale
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:14, archived)
# Probably more like 19 for me.
Why is it I'm always stood/sitting next to The Man With All The Aftershave In The World On?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# That's a specious comparison, and you know it.
But let's take it at face value. Maybe some lives would not be ended by ambulances if there were none. But a lot of people would be made worse off directly.

Now perform the same thought-experiment with cigarettes. Not quite the same result.

Look: of course there's a trade-off to be made. But noone'd deny that. And since smoking does nothing at all to promote health, and ambulances do quite a bit, it's clear which way the trade should go on that one.


The actual measure of the harm of smoking isn't all that important here, I don't think. It's just a matter of a body the function of which is to improve health deciding not to facilitate an activity that diminishes it. No biggie.
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# smoking prevents alzheimers
i'd rather have lung cancer and know who the hell i am
than be eight years old again at the age of ninety
FACT
(Fuckpig "That's not even a pound a midget.", Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:21, archived)
# nonsense
get Alzheimer's - then you can forget you've got lung cancer

/logic blog
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:22, archived)
# Hmmm...
That's a different question, though, innit?
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:23, archived)
# It is?
Or is it just a question which is hard for you to answer?

Ignore Ambulances - let's go with cars instead?
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:28, archived)
# No, really...
It's a different matter. I dig hard questions.

EDIT: OK, let's go with the car thing. I don't see your point.
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:37, archived)
# Cars are more dangerous than fags.
Why ban fags when you can ban cars?

Non essential journeys are just to make you happier - which is what fags are for . . .
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:55, archived)
# Ah, but you've shifted the debate...
... Noone proposed banning fags; that's not what the issue here was. Here, we were concerned with banning smoking in some places. Applying that principle to cars - that they should be banned in some places as well, seems straightforward...
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:58, archived)
# rail platforms are now work spaces
even the big long open ones, i got caught out at cambridge platform 5 shortly after the ban came in, just chipped the fag and nothing further was said
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Well it's true any public space smoking is illegal
Bus Stops, Parks, Railway Platforms (open or otherwise) saying that there isn't much enforcement.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# All stations have smoking bans.
Hospitals are places to make you well. Smoking a cigarette, if you are a smoker, is not an individual health issue, it is in fact a bad idea to try and give up during a time when you are under physical stress.

Also, if you have smoked for your whole life and then go to hospital because you are dying of MS, how lovely it is that not being able to smoke in the grounds makes your last days wank as well?

(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:08, archived)
# Unlike my local corner shop...
where the prices seem only to be a 'guide' for how much one actually gets charged.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:01, archived)
# Bloody this!
My local corner shop has just decided that if you buy fags on a card you'll get charged 70p more!
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# WOW!
Fags onna card!? Like . . . 'Happy 16th birthday! Spark one up!'

Ace!


(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# Fucking students!
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:18, archived)