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# In order to improve my skills at physical sketching from photos,

I'm trying to do a sketch a day for at least a week, maybe more. Today is day 1, Marilyn Manson.
Critique is much appreciated. :]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Thu 16 Apr 2009, 23:57, archived)
# Marilyn Manson is a freaking weirdo!
Also, listened to those albums yet?
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 16 Apr 2009, 23:59, archived)
# Noo, I haven't had a chance yet.
I'm just back to school from break, and trying to make sure all my work is caught up because the marking period is ending.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:01, archived)
# I left school, fuck, near 10 years at this stage.
And am leaving gainful employment on sunday. :-D

ALSO: Hello, the Gayshift, how are all you lovely people?
(I helped save b3ta! Spider Fucking Riviera got stiches for a knife wound for the first time, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:03, archived)
# What's gainful employment?
Hahahah, after this year, I have two more years of high school, then, finally, uni. x]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:05, archived)
# A full time job (5 day work week)
I know there are other ways to earn money weekly, but they usually put you at risk of arrest. :-(
(I helped save b3ta! Spider Fucking Riviera got stiches for a knife wound for the first time, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:07, archived)
# Oooooh.
Why are you leaving? Are you going to become an outlaw? :D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:08, archived)
# Well, I'm off to the old penal colony (Australia) so maybe :-P
In reality, I've reached that stage of life, where if I don't go experience the world, I never would.
It's far too easy to get into a comfort zone, when you have regular work and no pressing concerns.
(I helped save b3ta! Spider Fucking Riviera got stiches for a knife wound for the first time, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:19, archived)
# Ahhhh
okay. I'd looooove to go to Australia. And New Zealand. And backpacking/couch surfing across Europe (which my cousin did).
I'm gonna do it when I get into uni. :D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:21, archived)
# I may try couchsurfing myself when I'm over there.
Go search for dundalk on the couchsurfing website and have a nosey round my old stoping grounds if you get the chance. :-D
(I helped save b3ta! Spider Fucking Riviera got stiches for a knife wound for the first time, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 1:06, archived)
# Well get on it foo'!
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:18, archived)
# Can we vote on what day 2 brings?
Oh oh oh Miss Miss, i knew who it was before you said!
So can't be bad a? :D
(I helped save b3ta! Frogbeat, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:02, archived)
# Hahahahah
you can make suggestions. I don't know who I'm doing next... :]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:03, archived)
# Bobby Davro's mum!
Or em..... gordon ramsey
No no Robert Smith. I'll be watching tomorrow :D
(I helped save b3ta! Frogbeat, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:07, archived)
# Robert Smith?
Alright, I'll give him a try. :]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:08, archived)
# Having tried to draw
myself, i know how hard it is- and how photos somehow steer it all wrong.
The mouth and teeth are excellent but the lower face is all wrong.
Proportions are good though; although the nose is a little long.
My advice: Pick a better model to practice on!
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:05, archived)
# Yeah
mofaha suggested him, and I figured everyone knows what he looks like, so if I fuck it up, at least people know who I was trying for. x]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:06, archived)
# I see the logic
But if you really want to draw people; draw people, not freaks. When you get THEM right, try the exotic. I've given up for now doing portraits. The good ones looked like i had overdosed on filters and the bad ones looked...bad.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:12, archived)
# He is a person.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:15, archived)
# I'll shut up then
No offence intended.

Edit: mumbles off to bed....thought you asked for advice on drawing...
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:17, archived)
# Well it wasn't that
it's just like...I'm asking for general help. I'm sure plenty of people think he's a freak, but really he isn't. I have the utmost respect for him as a musician and he is a human.
I don't think, when I'm asking for advice on how to improve, that opinions on the person themself really help me, y'know?
I didn't mean to sound pissy or anything. Sorry.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:26, archived)
# You totally missed my point KK
And after this post i really am off to bed.
I don't know the guy from Adam; I've seen him on telly. But he looks wierd. Good for him etc. I wanted to too when i was 15. But that wasn't the point.
You want to get better at art. As you know, I happen to think you are quite good at it.

THE POINT: If you attempt to draw a subject that already looks a little odd to the average human, then your art will look odd plus a factor of 5, or more. This works in Japan. If you want to draw, as in DRAW people, start with fred next door, not Pete Burns or whatever his name is.
Anyway Bed nite etc.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:38, archived)
# Okay,
I get what you're saying now. I'm sorry, I just misunderstood. :]

Nunight.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:40, archived)
# ;)
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:40, archived)
# i remain unconvinced
(I helped save b3ta! Walrus Man Think hippy thoughts, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:23, archived)
# funny, I haven't seen any of your pencil drawings
 
only photoshop painting and sodding stick figures
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 1:16, archived)
# Did someone say better model?

/steps forward
(I helped save b3ta! Frogbeat, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:09, archived)
# Nice.
Have this:
(I helped save b3ta! BargeArse Maker of fine Trouser Trumpets since 1863, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:05, archived)
# :D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:07, archived)
# phooooar!
(I helped save b3ta! McBadger COW, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:11, archived)
# Hehehe!
(I helped save b3ta! ..wil, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 1:01, archived)
# immoral nannys is an anagram of marilyn manson
(I helped save b3ta! prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:07, archived)
# Hahahahahah
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:08, archived)
# I like it
would look pretty rad painted up in tattyshop I reckon
(I helped save b3ta! McBadger COW, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:12, archived)
# Yeah I was debating whether or not to do that.
But I did a Marilyn Manson in tattyshop (kinda) recently that I loooove.
Here. :]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:14, archived)
# now THAT is rather special
very good indeed
(I helped save b3ta! McBadger COW, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:22, archived)
# *curtsy*
Thank you sir! :D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:26, archived)
# His face looks a bit weird
(I helped save b3ta! epiphany coming live from sweden, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:14, archived)
# That's...helpful epiph.
Thanks.


;]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:15, archived)
# :(
Im sorry, you know I cant draw well :(
(I helped save b3ta! epiphany coming live from sweden, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:16, archived)
# S'okay.
:]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:19, archived)
# I am so, so sorry, but this needed to get out of my head.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:16, archived)
# XD
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:16, archived)
# \o/
(I helped save b3ta! epiphany coming live from sweden, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:17, archived)
# Nice sketch, by the way.
The eyes are too high though, lower them and it'll help your proportions seem more accurate.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:17, archived)
# Okay
Thank you. :]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:20, archived)
# Eyes go exactly halfway up the face.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:21, archived)
# Yeah,
that I know. What happened was that once I placed the eyes, I realized I hadn't made his face long enough, so I extended it, and forgot to move the eyes down.
We're doing portraits in Art right now, too. Mine isn't coming along too bad, but I haven't done the facial features yet.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:23, archived)
# ooh yea
I likes this!
(I helped save b3ta! McBadger COW, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:40, archived)
# that is
disquietening
(I helped save b3ta! Walrus Man Think hippy thoughts, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:23, archived)
# I don't know
what that means.
:]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:24, archived)
# draw something other than marilyn manson; i suggest little patti :)
you seem to have put in a lot of detail into the mouth and not a lot elsewhere, but other than that it looks fine.

(k3b/-\b Peace man., Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:35, archived)
# No little patti.
Nonononono. :p
Oh, okay. It was like...the mouth looked weird without much detail. Iunno. But alright. Thank you :]
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:38, archived)
# i think if you went for a bit of hatching to define the cheekbones it would balance out nicely.
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:41, archived)
# Oh, okay.
Cool, I'll try more shading with my next sketch. Thank you. :D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:44, archived)
# I like that it is good
 

 
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:38, archived)
# FOXINABOX
MANSONINABOX.


:D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:40, archived)
# Boo Tea Fuel Pea Pull
:D
(I helped save b3ta! Kallus speaks for the Spores, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:43, archived)
# Hahahahah
:D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 0:45, archived)
# unlurks, my best tip:
study your subject in terms of shape/form/tone not line :)
relurks (its late)
(I helped save b3ta! hekim 66 ɐŹ‡Ęš’ ŹžÉ”nā„² uooW, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 1:14, archived)
# i sometimes draw from catalogs

start with some still lifes... i know it's cliched, but start with a bunch of bottles. It quickly becomes apparent that most things back be drawn by breaking them down into smaller, simpler objects. I'm not particularly good at the whole art thing, but you should have seen the crap i drew before.

Also, you may want to start with charcoal. It's cheap, and it's messy, and you can't really get the definition you can out of pencil, but it lets you focus on getting the shapes right.
(I helped save b3ta! Foxglove -- it all ends in tears anyway..., Fri 17 Apr 2009, 1:29, archived)
# if you're working off photos...
...then you should use the 'graph method'.
(I helped save b3ta! atomic A-bomb-a-nation, Fri 17 Apr 2009, 2:10, archived)