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This is a link post He's a national treasure
Jonathan Pie: 'It's 50 Shades of Beige.' Meet Britain's New Prime Minister.
(I helped save b3ta! buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 19:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post he's a cunt
ps I voted labour
 (L E T S G O "Stop buying into and spreading this shit", Fri 5 Jul 2024, 19:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Jonathan Pie character isn't good enough to be a comedian,
and not good enough to be the hard-hitting social commentator he aspires to be. Frankly, he's just not good enough.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 20:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Did your last comedy tour outsell his?
Is your satire more critically approved?

I'm not a fan but he's significantly funnier than several other professional comedians, and much less of a cunt than Francis Wheen, Ian Hislop, or John Sessions.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 20:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post I care not two figs.
Unlike him, I know the limits of my talent. He comes across as a faux self-righteous twat.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 20:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's the act.

(I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 21:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post he used the grenfell fire to score points against the tories
he's a cunt
 (L E T S G O "Stop buying into and spreading this shit", Fri 5 Jul 2024, 22:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're right no one should have said anything
It's just one of those things, nothing could have stopped it.
 (dyllon nice beaver., Sat 6 Jul 2024, 11:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't put words in my mouth please

(L E T S G O "Stop buying into and spreading this shit", Sat 6 Jul 2024, 17:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't put the idea of putting things in your mouth in my head please

(dyllon nice beaver., Sun 7 Jul 2024, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post cock

(I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Mon 8 Jul 2024, 11:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's not an act.

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 22:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post He's literally an actor, Pie is literally a role he plays.
Also pro wrestling is predetermined and there's no Father Christmas.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 22:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post What's Ian Hislop done to deserve being called a cunt?
From what I've seen he's consistently held up a mirror to those in power, whoever they are, and repeatedly put himself in the legal firing line in the process. Sure, I can see he might be irritating to some people but that doesn't make him a cunt IMO.
I might be missing something, in which case I'm genuinely interested what it is!
 (I helped save b3ta! tarka_dall Like normal dall, only a bit more spicy, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 9:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post He's a tory tortoise

(benito vaselini no not that one, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 9:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Speaking as someone who has watched HIGNFY for about 30 years - tory? Really?
 (I helped save b3ta! Quiver Search for FATALISTS on Spotify, Amazon, Apple, &c, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 10:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post If he's anything he's a Lib Dem.

(I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 15:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tory to the core
Suspect the other one is too at this point
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 19:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post Told a thousand unfunny jokes and launched the political career of Boris Johnson...

(I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 15:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll forgive unfunny jokes
I'm not sure he claims to be a comedian. However, launching BJ's career is another thing entirely - when did this happen? I must have missed it!
 (I helped save b3ta! tarka_dall Like normal dall, only a bit more spicy, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 18:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post As entertaining as I find him, he’s very much a one trick pony.
It’s the same situation with Nerine Skinner, a.k.a. Liv Struss/Navine Borries; the Tories are out so now they’ll need to change their acts.

In the case of the latter she can switch to Rayner or Phillips (she’s already done some videos in these personae) but Pie will struggle without a target so universally hated as the Tories.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 22:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Private Eye still sells well under Labour.
Pie is not a Labour character, he gets flabbergasted by corruption, lies and incompetence. Labour are capable of providing him ample material, but hopefully less criminal and fascistic.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Fri 5 Jul 2024, 22:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post
you think?
 (I helped save b3ta! buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good grief, give Labour a chance. They've only been in power for 24 hours.

(Tony Hayers DEFUND THE POLICE, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 5:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post What about the drains in Hackney?!

(Mehitabel_Itrang, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 7:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Liv Struss videos are at least short
Do the joke, pull the face, done.

Pie rambles and labours the point.
 (I helped save b3ta! Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 8:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post And has a successful carreer as a touring comedian with a Radio 4 comedy series.

(I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 15:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Michael Mcintyre is also successful
- but that doesn't stop him being an annoying shit.

Entertainment is a matter of taste, and taste is famously highly variable.
 (I helped save b3ta! Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 15:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post I wouldn't ever argue that Mcintyre isn't an annoying shit.
But if you claimed he wasn't good enough to be a comedian then I could simply point to his success to prove your claim to be false.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 16:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Never said Pie wasn't a comedian
Just not my taste, too much angry rant, not enough wit.
 (I helped save b3ta! Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 17:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post I reckon he's been on point for most of the tory omnishambles
and he's cut through for a mostly short video consuming generation that some of the old satirical mainstays like private eye no longer can. It's his videos that are getting widely shared around this election, not other comedians. People are familiar with the "off-camera reporter" conceit, and can just enjoy his take.
As to his predicted demise now the tories are smashed, people made similar predictions about the crowded gaggle of american late night satire hosts when trump lost, kimmel and that bloke who does a closer look et al, but they're all still around
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 0:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post He does this thing where he gives off the attitude of being furiously engaged in politics
but at the same time is very careful to not say anything his (centrist/mainstream) audience will bristle at, for example he will always say "populism" rather than "fascism" because you'll get pearl-clutching if anyone says anyone else in politics or the media (or voters!) is fascist or racist.
 (I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 14:24, , Reply)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQE6-2lsJbQ
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 15:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Some people have used the word "fasicst" as a meaningless insult, this does not mean that fascism is not a real force in action or a real threat.
Umberto Eco's list of fascist traits is useful on this point - www.faena.com/aleph/umberto-eco-a-practical-list-for-identifying-fascists
After WWII we said "never again" and we should have our eyes open to it happening again.
 (I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 15:27, , Reply)
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“The question was taken up by the recently deceased Italian novelist and semiotician”
Zombie Eco sez you is all fascists
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 23:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post I hadn't noticed that.
Apparently he gets all sorts turning up to his live shows and he used to worry that the pro-Brexit morons would get offended and leave when he called them cunts, but everyone laughs along at everything.

ETA: Turns out I hadn't noticed it because it's simply not true:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hrn6vnOjRs
 (I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 15:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post He's explicitly saying that the conservative party or even "hard right populists" are absolutely not white supremacists/fascists here.
Based on
* Boris was twice voted mayor of London (so what?)
* They care about Brexit (so what?)
* People voted for JRM and it "fans the flames of division" to suggest that they "voted for a nazi by mistake" (this is exactly the pearl-clutching I was talking about)
 (I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 15:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post "for example he will always say "populism" rather than "fascism"

(I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 16:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes and that's a video of him saying why he/you shouldn't say "fascism"

(I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 17:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Exactly.

(I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 22:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Typical bickering on this thread.
Once the Tories are out, the left of center resume fighting each other.
This is why we can't have nice things.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 6 Jul 2024, 16:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post It'll be interesting to see how long some folk keep up the Labour arselicking
Before conceding that they're just as self-serving and incompetent as the Tories they're replacing.
Rayner the Usurper's first proper go at knocking Starmer out of office should start the ball rolling, I reckon.

Also, I've just put £500 down on Kemi Badenoch to replace Rishi Sunack. I'm convinced that the Tories will see putting a relatively young black woman in the driving seat as being a 100% surefire way to win over young voters as Labour flounder under the suffocating weight of 'Great British Energy' and the fact they'll have fuck all money to do anything without raising everybody's taxes.
The £1200 might take some of the sting out of that for a month or two. For me, at least.
 (Tony Hayers DEFUND THE POLICE, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 17:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post I wouldn't discount the racism of the members.
They will need to work out a new system for choosing a leader anyway, maybe they won't ask them this time.
 (I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 17:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post Politics is one of the few bloodsports still allowed.
I'd prefer a more boring politics where people fixed stuff rather than jockeying for position most of the time. Fighting culture wars and thinly disguised corruption should be left to the Americans, we have our own British class system to oppress each other with.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 6 Jul 2024, 20:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post 500 squid on the black farage?
she'd probably pull a few back from reform, granted, but she's pretty fringe with her views. hardline thatcher-poster-on-the-wall ex-fund manager brexiteer who hates teh gays isn't going to appealing to the centre left despite her well documented blackness. Kemi got the least number of backers in the last leadership spill, knocked out in the first round. Glad it's your money, though given all the scratchings I guess she's in with a chance
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 7 Jul 2024, 1:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post I disagree. :)
The right's emphasis on loyalty and unity leads to mindless uniformity and blind faith in their ideological authorities. Leftist philosophy attempts a more scientific approach. Think of the bickering as peer review, or active error testing and correcting.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 17:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post While I broadly agree...
...the social cohesiveness required for a party usually leads to tribalistic groups which then define their identity by infighting and hampering progress; See also competitiveness.
A few hundred thousand years or so of adaptation might sort it.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 6 Jul 2024, 19:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post or a near extinction-level cataclysm
whichever comes first
 (ozof, Tue 9 Jul 2024, 6:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Wait until after the election
Wait until they've had time to settle in
Wait a bit longer, they still haven't had enough time yet
etc.
 (I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 17:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post "We're still in the Sunlight of Hope phase!"
"We won't begin seeing real change until we reach the Overcast Brunch of Discontent."
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Sat 6 Jul 2024, 17:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Way before the "Silent Dinner of Realisation"

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 6 Jul 2024, 19:58, , Reply)