I love how people think if they are not paid directly by the regime it’s absolutely fine to go and profit under the shelter of that regime, and then get all shitty about the shitty regime they’re making money out of. Cf Lineker, Neville et al.
I do hope he used his platform while there to stridently criticise their human rights abuses. I’m sure he did.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 14:27,
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Ooooh! Hark at thee! A fancy forrin phrase for whataboutery!
From Lycettt’s 2016 autobiography, Parsnips Buttered:
"I was performing stand-up in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Qatar. Friends of mine had warned me about travelling to these countries, claiming that ‘they don’t like’, as one friend put it, ‘your lot’. The punishment for homosexuality in these countries is oft jail, the logic of which I’ve never understood. Oh, you like men? We’ll put you in a box with some’. Not exactly a punishment, lads!”
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 14:54,
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It doesn't just mean whataboutery.
It means someone can be a hypocrite and still right.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 15:03,
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His hypocrisy makes his sanctimony unbearable.
He is capable of being funny, but this particular whiny little bitch routine got very stale, very quickly.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 15:43,
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I've never been a fan of the smug-faced cunt.
But shredding £10,000* on social media during the height of a cost of living crisis was never going to go down well with anybody.
*He claims that he didn't actually shred the £10K and the wads of cash he filmed himself shredding were fakes. But it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this was more utterly short-sighted backtracking.
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I did think he was funny when he first started appearing on tv.
But then I swear the first time I saw Sarah Millican do a routine I thought she was funny. That must have been a dream though.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 16:20,
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I'm not entirely sure there are any funny female stand-ups.
Apart from Eddie Izzard, and I'm not certain that he counts.
I also used to think that Joe Lycett was funny, but that's when I was confusing him with his less-smug doppelganger, Joe Cornish.
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You do realise that other people can see what you type don’t you?
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 17:03,
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Yes. What bit did you take most exception to?
There's an ignore button if you find my contributions overly triggering.
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Glorious, Unrepeatable and The Definite Article are all solid gold routines.
He did go off the boil after that.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 19:21,
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The bilingual skit from Dress to Kill is one of the great contemporary stand‐up performances, in my opinion.
I say 'contemporary', must be 20+ years old now. Christ.
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His French and other foreign languages stuff really irked me, because, at least when he started doing it, his French was fucking shit. Maybe I should check out your suggestion, but if he speaks French in it, I’m not going to like it.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 19:49,
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So David Beckham could criticise Joe Lycett for doing a Qatar gig
And if they call him out on it he says ".... doesnt mean I'm not right!"
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Yes.
If he did that, they'd both be right.
Though, to do so, Beckham would have to address Qatar's homophobia directly rather than ignore it for money.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 21:56,
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You can do both.
You can be a hypocrite in your actions without invalidating your ideas.
...and back to square 1.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 9:16,
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Aye.
Actions are more important, but the original point seemed to be suggesting that being a hypocrite on any level (in this case, 7 years ago) somehow invalidates what someone is saying.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 10:36,
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7 years isn't a very long time though, really.
I feel that the hypocrisy is problematic in this case due to the context of Lycett's 'ultimatum'.
Lycett wasn't saying "Qatar is bad, you shouldn't go there." after being there himself. He was telling Beckham that his standing as a gay icon (?) in the LGTB community would be tarnished by his support of the Qatar World Cup and that his involvement would ultimately prove damaging for the LGBT community.
Basically "If you care at all about LGBT rights, you shouldn't travel to Qatar for personal gain". Despite Lycett being a queer man that has travelled to Qatar for personal gain.
Mind you, I'm not really fussed that he's being a hypocrite. The whole stunt was a "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" routine, just like most of the boring cunt's output over the last few months.
It's a bit of a shame, really. I watched him in a Jonathan Ross interview last night and he (mostly) came across as charming and relatively likeable. It's just this low effort slacktivism that turns me off. 'Oh, look. You're a somewhat recognisable, left-leaning TV personality appearing on Sunday with LK pretending to be a right-wing Tory supporter'. Genius
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His point was that Beckham has
sold his liberal image (which he has built off the back of things like promotions in gay magazines) to help the government with the "sportswashing" of Qatar, via a ten year ambassadorship deal, not that people shouldn't travel there for any-old work.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 11:23,
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That meme that says something like, "ahhh, but do you yourself not PARTICIPATE in the society to which you criticise?"
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 17:52,
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One thing from that link jumped out at me
"Socialists do not accept the idea that iPhones, notebooks and other modern amenities are products of “capitalism”."
Well socialists are just wrong then, at least on that one point. Those products (iPhones, notebooks), out of the many used in everyday modern life, are the exact sort of product produced by companies that operate under the structure of limited liability, shareholder funding, and many of the other structures that epitomise capitalism.
But anyway, that's nothing to do with Joe Lycett so carry on, eh.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 22:21,
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I agree with the comments at the bottom of that terrible article.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 13:59,
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I'm not fussed for him either way
but give him his due, one look at this place shows that he's clearly upsetting exactly the type of people he set out to wind up.
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Well, that went right over my head!
I could certainly see his absolutely hilarious appearance as a 'Truss Supporter' on Sunday with LK as an attempt at trolling, but I'm not exactly sure who his intended targets were with this one. FIFA? The Qataris?
TPFP is suggesting that the reaction to his stunt on b3ta shows that it was a success. In what way? Was this all just a ruse to make middle aged white blokes grumble about how much of a smug, sanctimonious cunt he is? Seems a bit of an odd demographic to target.
I had (wrongly, it seems) assumed that he was just joining the anti-Qatar bandwagon for a bit of attention or 'clout' as the young 'uns call it these days.
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Who was he trolling with this one, though?
Like, who was he hoping to get a rise from (other than the folks like me that already thought he was a bit of a dull cunt, obvs)?
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IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO!
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 10:47,
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my opinion about it all is that I don't think countries should hate teh gayz.
as around about 70 countries where it's criminalised do, including most muslim countries. And mamy more don't allow gay marriage.
But it aint the only issue in town, and unless you want to hold the world cup in denmark every time, you're going to find something about the host countries laws, culture and recent history that you find wrong or objectionable. Though who knows? Probably PETA would call for a boycott of denmark because of their pork industry
So though I don't begrudge a gay bloke like lycett arcing up, I personally thinks its all a bit churlish and tokenistic to make all this fuss for a two week footy tournament, just while it's qatars brief time on the world stage, as the tea-towel heads don't often get many opportunities as they live in a sandblown wasteland.
And I also tend to think these kind of protests are mostly counterproductive, countries react to foreign protest by becoming more intransigent, rather than less. And cynical leaders the world over exploit this.
It's engagement, not protest that proves the moral superiority of our glorious western ways. The cold war didn't bring down the soviet union, it was blue jeans, rocknroll and openness and finally seeing how shit and backward they were in comparison that made their population fed up and undermined the once untouchable authority of the cunts in charge. Thats what's happening in Iran at the moment, and place like tunisia. it wasn't foriegner protest. That's my waffle
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 22:14,
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So...
We should ban the World cup.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 22:32,
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to engage in whataboutery, rather than two cocky
qatar has heavily discriminatory laws against gays. It has 0% poverty among its citizens
Britain has liberalised its laws against gays in the last few decades, allowing gay marriage 8 years ago. It has the sixth largest economy in the world. n 2022 30% of British children now live in effective poverty, parents often having to choose between heating, food or clothing.
In human terms, which country has the greatest suffering as a result of its policies?
I wouldnt want to be a gay in qatar, knowing I could go to prison just for sucking a dick. But millions of children living in poverty for a rich country is a pretty big moral obscenity. Anyway, argument referencing moral equivalence, where you need to do some thinking and compare relative harms and effectiveness of actions are even less in favour than they have been. I only make them on b3ta, because most other places people get very upset if you stand between them and the target of their sanctimony. And unlike places like twitter, where people seem to be under the illusion their opinion counts, b3ta remains a delightful waste of time
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 23:08,
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"It has 0% poverty among its citizens"
I've been re-reading the Draka series recently so I have to ask: "What about the serfs?".
I don't disagree with the rest, I just think we've both been smoking the same stuff tonight.
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jonbob loves you, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 2:38,
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ha! with me it's more I've got a tiny bit of work to do before christmas but prefer this procrastinating. I'll have a relax later
I was careful to say citizens, a cop out I know. But even the foreign workers it's little more complex than it seems. Most of the exploitation comes from labour hire firms, who are almost exclusive south Asian run. They recruit in places like pakistan, and most of the documented abuses have come from them rather than qatari managed companies, though the qataris themselves certainly do little to enforce standards. These aren't people being kidnapped and forced into prostitutions. It's a long established foreign worker trade, and most pakistani workers do it with full knowledge of conditions, knowing that theyll still take home far more pay than what they could earn in their home countries. And if you've seen old women in india carting rocks all day in the hot sun, and for some reason that escapes me a lot of the road work is done by women there, you'll know work conditions and pay are not a step down in qatar.
so it's that moral equivalence, harms and consequences point again. yes it makes you feel bad, it would be nice if they got western style pay and conditions. but they could also not hire them at all, and those workers would stay on the subcontinent where half a billion people make less than a dollar a day and live in squalor. would that make your conscience feel better, or do you stop caring when it's not a foreign villian doing the exploiting? (by you I mean people who arc up about it, rather than you personally, jonbob)
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 3:53,
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