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Onemunki says: We live in a world of genuine tragedy, starvation and terror. So, after hearing stories of cruise line passengers complaining at the air conditioning breaking down, what stories of sheer single-minded self-pity get your goat?

(, Thu 1 Mar 2012, 12:00)
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I see badly behaved children and I think..just give it a smack already...
But nooo! The PC brigade has outlawed that as if it's some sort of heinous crime. Back in my day you respected your elders and if you didn't you'd get a swift clip around the earhole. In school we'd get 6 of the best and it was totally acceptable to do this as it built "character". Now days you send the little scrote home with a note and spot of detention. Both of which are about as effective as a motorbike with a sunroof. Society is becoming soft on children and they're leaving Uni with a media degree thinking the world owes them a favour because they had it tough.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:01, 49 replies)
i think there's 2 reasons for this, and both of them are correct.
1. Smacking a child doesn't work.

2. Allowing parents the right to beat their kids into a pulp means that some parents beat their kids into a pulp.

It's like drink driving - probably most people could drive perfectly sensibly on half a bottle of wine, but you legislate for the tools who can't.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:13, closed)
1) I know, but it makes a satisfying slapping sound.
2) The downside to this is?

(Yes, I am doing it on purpose now, I actually agree with you).
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:15, closed)
1 Yes it fucking does.
Now sit down and shut the fuck up.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:39, closed)
Seems to have
done you no harm.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:47, closed)
It didn't.
And as for your second statement up there, do you honestly believe that "not being allowed to beat children to a pulp" has in fact stopped anyone that was going to do that from doing it?
Because if you do I've got a nice bridge in London coming up for sale, wanna buy it?
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:54, closed)
Are you really as angry
as you sound?

Or as stupid?
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 10:14, closed)
So you're unable to come up with an actual argument to what I've said then.

(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 10:41, closed)
Um, well no
not really.

What is it you said again?
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 14:37, closed)
Give them something to fucking cry for
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:55, closed)
Not with you there......
big difference between a short sharp clip compared to "beating to a pulp".
With younger kids a light smack in a timely fashion is quite effective, particularly if you know that they are feeling the "boundaries".
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:56, closed)
Damn right.
These do-gooding cunts are the first to whine when their car gets nicked by some little scrote though, always bemoaning the problem of "Feral Children" that their bedwetting liberal hand-wringing sensibilities created.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:59, closed)
It's effective
in the sense that "it has an effect". Since that effect is "shows them that larger, stronger people can use physical violence rather than rational explanation" with a side order of "the person hitting me is too stupid to offer a rational explanation" the overall result may not be quite what was intended.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 17:32, closed)

Yes, because what a 4 year old needs is a rational explanation.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 18:33, closed)
so you'd only hit children when they're too young to understand the rationale
that'll end well.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 20:09, closed)
don't be silly! the child learns that violence is the best reaction.

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 20:16, closed)

Just pointing out that rationally explaining to young Jimmy that putting marbles up his nose is silly because he will have to go to hospital to have them pulled out, is unlikely to be effective.

It can be equally pointless trying to rationally explain things to teenagers.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 21:06, closed)
Marbles up the nose?
at least you didn't do the usual knitting needle in the plug socket or hand in the fire that proponents of violence against children usually wheel out.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 21:12, closed)
Four year olds are perfectly capable of rational thought
as long as you appreciate that they don't know as much as older people and that their rational thought is therefore rather more simplistic than ours.

"Don't do that because I say so" is just as logical an explanation to them as "Don't do that because otherwise I will hit you"
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 22:52, closed)
No it isn't.
Because their tiny unformed minds are not capable of understanding actions and consequences without physical reinforcement.
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 8:20, closed)
It's effective
because done properly, it's an instantaneous negative re-enforcement and easily associated with the behaviour that caused it. Simply cause and effect without any longwinded shit....... works on anything with a short attention span. Usually does not need to be repeated for the same issue.
(, Thu 8 Mar 2012, 0:48, closed)
In the UK parents do have the right to smack their children, don't they?

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 15:03, closed)
"reasonable chastisement" apparently
anything hard enough to leave a mark is illegal
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 20:00, closed)

black babies are best
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 9:21, closed)
1) In my experience, yes it does
A bollocking off a parent was one thing, knowing that could be backed up with a smack off my Dad was enough to stop me doing it again.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 15:18, closed)
As others have pointed out but I wanted to add my voice to
If you can't distinguish between a short slap appropriate to their size, and beating them to a pulp, you should have your kids taken off you and you should be shot.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 19:43, closed)
it works
Look at me. I'm balanced, well rounded and probably not brain damaged from being beaten.
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 11:26, closed)
It's because it works that the bedwetters hate it.
Psychological mumbo jumbo aside, countless generations of parents gave their kids a slap to keep them in line, not because it's "An outmoded abhorrent ingrained behaviour that they learned from their own misguided parents" but BECAUSE IT WORKS. Children are NOT miniature versions of adults. Frankly these modern-parent cunts need a slap even more than their ghastly offspring do.
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 11:34, closed)
And we're not talking cricket bats with spikes in for discipline...
When I look back on my life and I think about the time I got a smack because I stole my mum's car at 13 and crashed into a tree I have to admit I probably deserved that. Likewise the time at school where I was caught shoving someone in a rubbish bin and then sitting on the lid for a few mins while my mates kicked the bin.

In both cases I only committed those mistakes twice. I could have been a career criminal ,but the light beatings probably helped me on the right track.

Also, I'm not religious, but the bible advocates a good beating. I hate to argue with religious zealots because you never win...

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24)

"Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 15:08, closed)
I'm picturing you as being in your late seventies.
And a Daily Mail reader.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:18, closed)
And you're incredibly aroused?

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:41, closed)

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 15:02, closed)
I always give my kids plenty of smack

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:20, closed)
This is how you solve the problem of children on flights.
Just get the dosage right so they don't go into withdrawl mid air.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:26, closed)
We should bring back hanging and the workhouse too.

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:40, closed)
and the holocaust

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:52, closed)
Do you perhaps have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:55, closed)

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:56, closed)

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 14:59, closed)

(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 15:00, closed)
Didn't happen.
Oh wait, you mean that Holocaust.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 15:01, closed)
I have no idea if you're trolling or not...
or maybe a bit of both, but the replies have made me laugh.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 17:18, closed)
The thing about parents hitting their kids
is they're hopeless parents.

and they always come up with dumb fuck arguments about stopping children putting their hand in a meat grinder, or something, when what they're really talking about is slapping the little shit's legs in Tesco because they're incapable of controlling a child without resorting to violence.

Look at Stuj, if his parent had brought him up in a safe loving environment, instead of regular thrashings from which ever lorry driver was 'dad' that particular week, perhaps he'd not have shagged his retarded cousin and done that thing with the teacher.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 19:40, closed)
Sounds like someone's jealous.
Were you not given any attention at all by your parents then little rofy? Or did you stick the knitting needle in the socket a few times too many?
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 8:17, closed)
It's not about whether they can control the children
they slap them because they can't control themselves.
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 10:17, closed)
I see parents hitting their kids.
They usually wear velure track suits with "sexy bitch" in gaudy text stretched over their fat arses. The kids tend to be sucking on a sausage roll or supping irn-bru while the parents screech the poor unfortunate child's name at them before braying them.

yup, this is exactly the parenting advice I should be listening to.
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 20:15, closed)
...and if they stopped hitting their kids, they'd be model parents?
I really can't be arsed to argue though. It's one of those circular arguements:

A: I think xxx, here's a why: rhubarb rhubarb, reasonable arguement

B: I disagree, because (presents opinions whether they correspond to the first arguements or not)

A: Did you read what I said/even more vague opinions, descending in quality as they go

B: See A above, with side order of (stereotype containing only a small % fact) is my evidence

A: Well, (faintly ridiculous stereotype containing similar % fact) supports my arguement

Repeat with increasingly sillier "examples", until:

A/B: You Grauniad reading, liberal wishy washy left wing loonie, wearing sandals, wanking into the communist manifesto

B/A: You daily heil reading, physcopathic nazi child beating fox hunting tory bumming.......

I used to like debating, but the internet has ruined it. Seems to be no room for "you have a point, but..." or "OK, I see where you're coming from but...". Just an endless, depressing round of the above, whilst anyone with any real power fills their pockets, and in doing so masnages to make everyones worst nightmares come true.

Edited to be nearer what I meant to say, I got depressed half way through the first time
(, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 22:54, closed)
nah, you're just a fucking idiot.
I bet your parents didn't hit you enough as a kid.
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 8:40, closed)
You seem fun.

(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 8:58, closed)
where I live those are the ones with the kids that need it. Shopping trolley full of coke & chips, feral kids all over the place, screeching "Brittttneeeeeeeey,you little shit, I told you, I'll get you a coke, just put that down". Always threats with no action except a reward for shit behaviour.
(, Tue 6 Mar 2012, 2:25, closed)

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