So in a depressingly popularist move
the Tories are suggesting raising the speed limit to 80mph and have found a quarter of a billion pounds to let councils have weekly bin collections again.

What do people think about that then?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:32, 109 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

I don't see a problem with either of those two policies.
I'm confused with how bin collections cost so much to the councils though.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:34, Reply)

How about the fact that the evidence shows that having higher speed limits leeds to greater numbers of road deaths?
And that most councils have pushed the reduction in bin collections as a way of getting people to increase recycling? Personally I think there should be weekly recycling collections, that would be a better use of the money.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:36, Reply)

The council don't provide me with a recycling service, and I have the most expensive council tax in the country!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:37, Reply)

Well, they should.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:38, Reply)

Which council is that? I thought all councils had to provide a recycling service?

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:42, Reply)

Richmond
They do provide it I think, but not for blocks
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:43, Reply)

You can recycle sperm now?

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:07, Reply)

no one wants to buy your savory mouth wash

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:09, Reply)

One thing Basildon council have got right.
I get fortnightly landfill collection, but weekly recyclable.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:43, Reply)

the councillors have to take their 10% and the collection company directors their 10% etc etc

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:36, Reply)

The bin men left our bins for two weeks once
they overflowed, stank, and attracted flies and foxes, so this is good news.

80 is fine, cars are faster and safer than they were when the limit was introduced. however maybe it would be pertinent to ensure people had to pass an extra test if they wish to use it. really i'd rather see them HEAVILY penalise middle lane drivers, this would help traffic flow far better.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:35, Reply)

The laws of physics still apply to new cars though
and the weakest point is always the driver making an error.

So a new car, which is heavier than an old car, has a lot more kinetic energy and is therefore more dangerous when spinning out of control.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:37, Reply)

Well crumple zones for example divert impact force for both the car and whatever it's hitting.
I think that 80mph on motorways is fine. Road deaths are getting too low anyway, lets get it back to 80s levels.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:43, Reply)

The world needs more Darwinism

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:44, Reply)

The better option would be to get rid of all the scared and wimpy drivers out there
they are the real dangers
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:44, Reply)

The problem with raising the speed is that most people who currently do 80 on the motorway will now do 90.

I am a bit incensed about speeding. I have been done for 35 in a 30 and have to take a morning off work next week to attend a speed awareness course to keep my license clean. One of my colleagues was pulled over last Sunday evening doing around 120 (dickhead) on the M40. The copper apparently said "these Mini Cooper's are great fun - best not go so fast again though" and let him off!
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:36, Reply)

The police are a bit shit in general though.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:38, Reply)

a bit

re the bins - we are lucky to have weekly collections of everything - people still seem to recycle a great deal.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:41, Reply)

I think that's the main problem.
If they make it 80, they will have to start fining and pointing people who are caught at 81. And they won't do that. And probably would find they got challenged in court if they tried to prove 81 anyway.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:44, Reply)

My other half got stopped and fined for doing 88mph,
and the copper admitted that they don't bother to stop people doing 85 or less
(DeeDee, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:56, Reply)

That's because they'd have to have the entire force out
stopping almost everybody below the age of 70.

I also have heard anecdotal evidence that says they don't care if you keep it to 85.
( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:57, Reply)

Wow. I knew there was some leeway, but 15mph over the limit and they let people go?
I am assuming this was on a motorway and not outside a school, at least.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:58, Reply)

yeah,
on his way to school one morning. I do think he drives too fast, but he doesn't listen to me
(DeeDee, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:00, Reply)

typical girl comment is typical girl comment

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:04, Reply)

You should dump him.

(PsychoChomp, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:09, Reply)

not likely
I've just spent a fortune on my wedding dress, it's getting worn, whatever happens
(DeeDee, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:14, Reply)

OMG !!!! You've found somebody who completes you !

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:04, Reply)

Whereas you haven't?

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 30 Sep 2011, 17:04, Reply)

I think they are cunts
I'd rather have a decent health service and schools.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:41, Reply)

I don't have a problem with either of these things.
The 80 mile an hour thing is really just formalising what already happens on the motorways.
( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:43, Reply)

I've just realised your new name sounds like a Wetherspoon's

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:45, Reply)

I'd probably be in favour of removing the motorway speed limit altogether
and wider use of rolling speed limits as already seen on the M25 for periods of heavy traffic, works or accidents.
( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:46, Reply)

Simple flow dynamics shows us that if a conduit is narrowed
to maintain the flow rate then the speed of the material flowing through needs to be increased to maintain flow rate.

so when a lane is closed the speed limit showed be raised, fact!
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 14:48, Reply)

You have to slow the traffic down so that everyone can have a good look, though.

( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:24, Reply)

unfortunately it would get a bit turbulent

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 18:18, Reply)

Good
There are too many people in this country anyway. I look forward to optional vaccinations for children and having to pay the councils extra to remove landmines from your front garden.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:09, Reply)

Bit of a populist measure if I'm honest.
Translation- what a load of shit.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:12, Reply)

Elected government listens to the public shocker
In other breaking news ever green virgin 'The Luggage' says it's shit. *More on the half hour*
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:16, Reply)

A government elected on less than 50% of the vote, I should note.
But read this again, Al makes a valid point: b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post1374863
(The Luggage is haunted..., Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:22, Reply)

I would point out that I don't provide any evidence for my assertion regarding road deaths.
But I stand by my comment on waste vs recycling collections.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:27, Reply)

People will inevitably end up taking the piss.
Although think of it like this- how will they police the increased limit, with lowering police numbers and a supposed tightening of legislation regarding speed cameras?

In short, it's a sop to the voters to try and distract them from the current problems, greedy bankers, feral teenagers and Rory.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:28, Reply)

Of course it's a sop
It's pandering to the self absorbed retards of society.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:35, Reply)

Hello!
*waves*
( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:46, Reply)

Offers sweety

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:07, Reply)

Have I got cashews for you

(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:12, Reply)

worst of all the nuts
that aren't gonads
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:13, Reply)

Ugh, I hope not
Unless you're a vomit fetishist
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:14, Reply)

I like them crushed into a nice pasta alla genovese

(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:14, Reply)

pervert

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:15, Reply)

perbert

( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:21, Reply)

Berton on Trent

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:16, Reply)

Cashew-ulty

(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:18, Reply)

Cashew-lty
works better.

edit: sorry, "bert-ter"
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:20, Reply)

bE.R.t

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:06, Reply)

This means I can now allow myself to drive at 110mph in the outside lane.

( thealternativefact, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:23, Reply)

I'm going to weld a cow catcher to the front of my van.

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:27, Reply)

I love your barbecues

( thealternativefact, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:29, Reply)

I love my BBQs too.
If I had my way, I'd have BBQs every day.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:46, Reply)

Drivin' fancy cars
/dre
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:54, Reply)

BREAKING NEWS!
The smartie machine gives out fucking loads of sweets compared to the Minstrel machine. I may have to go and get some more.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:28, Reply)

GET ME SOME SMARTIES

( thealternativefact, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:28, Reply)

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:33, Reply)

WTF? Not arranged in a penis shape?
The CDC, Al...the CDC.
( thealternativefact, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:34, Reply)

I was in hurry.
And now I've eaten them all.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:35, Reply)

I shall have to improvise...

( thealternativefact, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:36, Reply)

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:43, Reply)

Oh man
Lynard Skynard - Free Bird has just come on shuffle, this has cheered me up immensly.

What songs cheer you up?
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:36, Reply)

This one
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2JU4gX6rg8
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:37, Reply)

The Tories are
and always will be elitist cunts, this is a little piecemeal offering to the fucktards who complain utterly pointless things...
The whole point of the 250 mil is for the landfil tax that councils have to pay. This could be spent in many more useful ways.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:37, Reply)

labour were however brilliant at spending sensible aounts of money and getting great value for money

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:39, Reply)

So you have no argument about the point he makes that the 250mil is just an inefficent way of indulging the selfish attitudes
of people too stupid to separate paper and cardboard?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:44, Reply)

Sorry, haven't got time...it is really just them trying to give something back after taking so much
although that 'so much' equates I believe to an overall cut in spending of 0.7%
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:47, Reply)

I dont believe it is trying to give something back though
it seems to me a bit of a smoke screen to give that appearence
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:54, Reply)

The point is, it's not a good way of "giving something back"
it's giving council money so that they can pay landfill operators to accept more rubbish, some of which money which then gets recycled to the treasury through landfill taxes.

The knock on effect of this is that less stuff is recycled since it's being put in a landfill, and the UK ends up 1) getting fined by the EU for not meeting it's recycling objectives and 2)it runs out of landfill even quicker. You probably aren't aware but we only have a few years worth of landfill left at the moment.

The more sensible way would be to use that 250mil to provide more incinerators, anaerobic digestors and to encourage sorting at the level of the house because, no matter what that morbidly obese moron says on the news, technology has not evolved to the stage that a machine can magically take a pile of shit and turn it into neat piles of stuff for recycling, at best what happens is a bunch of immigrants spend their days physically pulling this shit out of big heaps and that is not efficient.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:57, Reply)

I at no point make this claim.
At first Labour were very good but as in all situations where you have exclusive power for a long time the greed got in there.
The Tories however have always been cunts and nothing will sway me from this view...

*might be a somewhat irascible lefty*
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:45, Reply)

If you're a lefty, you'd best look at a different party than labour.

( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:48, Reply)

Sad but True
(Rock Pose)

I would still rather their tepid watered down version than that greasy faced smug fucker "call me Dave"
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:51, Reply)

So, to choose the rock or the hard place?
They've all proved they are equally useless, so whom to vote for?

Socialist Labour? Green? Veritas?
(The Luggage is haunted..., Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:56, Reply)

His forehead gets bigger each day
I think he is related to Ant (or Dec)
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:56, Reply)

Maybe it's an alient parasite secretly controlling him.

(The Luggage is haunted..., Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:57, Reply)

Hmm
You may be on to something there

"Call me Thragh'tghy'fgddg"
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:00, Reply)

me vot labor dey gud

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:50, Reply)

Awwww bless, you're trying to join in with the big boys.
*chucks under chin and ruffles hair*
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:58, Reply)

It's true, you're all far too fat for me to ever stand much of a chance
:'(''
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:06, Reply)

AHAHAHAHAHA!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-15115530

And her face looks like a rhinos arse! I'm not surprised he cheated on her.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:01, Reply)

I just read this and lolled too
Kitten theft FTW
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:02, Reply)

MESSAGE BEGINS
DG is a top bloke

MESSAGE ENDS.
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:03, Reply)

MESSAGE CONTINUES
This message contains lies

MESSAGE ENDS
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:03, Reply)

MASSAGE ENDS
Happy endings
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:04, Reply)

You've met Tourettes then?

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:06, Reply)

Unfortunately not
She was off to London on the train to get molested by Gonz
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:07, Reply)

Lucky boy

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:09, Reply)

Yeah, we just got to the station on time.
That athletic bovine chap's not a bad feller either.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 30 Sep 2011, 17:10, Reply)

i think its a bit lame
pandering to Clarkson

i wish I was on the pier
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:23, Reply)

Why are you not on the pier?

(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:26, Reply)

because I wouldn't pull a sickie :(

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:28, Reply)

You're a good person
and for that, you get nothing. If you want any finger action, you need to be bad.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:29, Reply)

meh
well, not going to the london bash, either, I'll never get a fingering at this rate
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:33, Reply)

Stuff those guinea pigs down your pants, it'll almost be the same.

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:35, Reply)

i think you are misjudging
either the size of my guinea pigs or the size of my lady bits
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:39, Reply)

Almost identical to you doing it I should think.
Hairy, sharp in places, and totally uncoordinated.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:39, Reply)

What's the deal with the hardnuts' lunch tomorrow, then?

( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:55, Reply)

are you hard
do you like nuts?
do you like lunch?
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:56, Reply)

I think there should be a lunch thread from the lunch tomorrow.

(PsychoChomp, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:57, Reply)

while they are
doing lunch?
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:59, Reply)

Two highly inappropriate and personal questions
followed by a bizarrely incongruous question about my eating habits.
( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 17:00, Reply)

but if you can truthfully answer
yes to them all, you unlock the secrets of the hardnuts lunch
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 17:04, Reply)

quite frankly, if you don't know by now
and you don't have Montys phone number, you can fuck off and eat on your own.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 17:06, Reply)

Fine!

( Kroney, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 17:10, Reply)