on the other hand people would say that she SAVED this country, so you know, swing sand roundabouts

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:51, 3 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

Sand roundabouts would be useless. People would just drive through them.

(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:53, Reply)

well you would know best

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:53, Reply)

SAVED FROM THE ARGIES!
We'd all be speaking Spanish if it wasn't for her.
( Peej, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:54, Reply)

It's too late to save Aber : (

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:55, Reply)

this is because you are a red-trouser-wearing-marketing-wanker.
She saved rich cunts like you and your kind and fucked the rest of them. No that you should give a fuck about anything that does not effect you directly, that'd be what socialists do.

and we all know what cunts they are don't we children?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:54, Reply)

your way round you'd give everything to the poor and fuck over the succesfull
I fail to se how that is any different
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:56, Reply)

no you fucking moron they'd have just given the poor a fighting chance
it's pricks like you that make this country fucking shit, fuck off
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:57, Reply)

i kid, you're a gem

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:57, Reply)

I like you SSG.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:59, Reply)

poor people are people that have failed at life, it's anti-capitalist and anti-darwinian to prop them up

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:58, Reply)

whatever makes you feel better about yourself sweetcheeks

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:59, Reply)

Yeah and you got where you are without any help from anyone.

(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:00, Reply)

everyone is born with an equal chance of succeeding in life
obviously
otherwise what ben fogle said there wouldn't make any sense
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:02, Reply)

Every child born in the UK is a blank slate.

(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:02, Reply)

only an intrinsically evil person would disagree with that

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:04, Reply)

What, even gingers?

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:03, Reply)

that raises questions for sure
i am starting to think maybe gingers need support
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:06, Reply)

Holy shit its vippers!

( Peej, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:08, Reply)

That's the truth
Killing time when i should probably be doing last minute studying.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:09, Reply)

Is there any link between your return to b3ta and the sudden and unexpected death of Thatcher?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:11, Reply)

No

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:12, Reply)

Well you would say that wouldn't you?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:14, Reply)

fucking hell, can we touch your beard?

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:10, Reply)

From there?
Doubt it, it's not got that long
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:10, Reply)

not really

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:03, Reply)

Give us a quick rundown of your life then nakkers.
Where were you born,
what sort of schools did you go to
What university,
what jobs did you have?
(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:06, Reply)

HES A SELF MADE MILLIONAIRE INTERNET ENTREPRENEUR

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:09, Reply)

what can i say, "nerd porn" pays
thanks for all the free advertising btw
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:10, Reply)

Hammersmith
Private
2nd rate
shit admin paying £15k/yr in London, then the job I have now.

Pretty straight forward, no pulled any strings, there was no nepotism, and I promise you the teachers at my public school were"fucking shit" i doubt it was an advantage particularly.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:09, Reply)

haha goes to private school still thinks he wasnt given help from anyone

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:11, Reply)

I imagine your school looked a lot like this:
www.stedwardsoxford.org/
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:13, Reply)

That looks delightful.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:14, Reply)

like i'd go somewhere full of oiks

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:16, Reply)

explain?
we all come out with GCSEs and A levels at the end, I didn't even get very good results cos I did fuck all work.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:17, Reply)

i don't really know how i can explain it,
you went to a private school i mean come on man, get a grip
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:19, Reply)

genuinely i don't really see the difference
yep it's better than some bullet riddled inner city comp, but a decent grammar school or independent college? Not so much
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:25, Reply)

i don't remember saying that going to a decent grammar school wasn't a massive help in life?

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:55, Reply)

Are you much of a disappointment to your parents?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:12, Reply)

Nah they love me the best, cos I'm witty

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:16, Reply)

And you think you'd have the same chances in life if you were born or lived in Moss side, or North wales?

(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:12, Reply)

It didn't stop Lord Sugar building the biggest "email phone" business in the country did it?
This is why i said people are round are being shit as well, if they all stopped being shit together it'd be a lot easy for them.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:16, Reply)

He's a jew, they're good at money making.

(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:18, Reply)

fair point

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:20, Reply)

fucking Christ killers, secretly running the world

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:21, Reply)

yeh obviously not everyone who has fuck all chance at life will fail, just like
not everyone who has the massive advantage of going to a private school will take full advantage of it
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:20, Reply)

They'd have more of a fighting chance if they sobered up every now and then and stopped wearing counterfeit trackwear.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:58, Reply)

not sure if serious

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:59, Reply)

I'm such an enigma

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:01, Reply)

yeah cos it's not like the UK 'poor' have one of the best global standards of living, with a free education, and hospital system, cradel to grave benefits or anything like that
*WRINGS HANDS**
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 13:58, Reply)

fuck me this country is fucked

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:00, Reply)

only the poor !!!
and that's basically to cream in the benefits innit
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:01, Reply)

only by bleeding hearts like you

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:01, Reply)

yeh i'm definitely not pulling my weight

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:02, Reply)

I'm sure you work very hard, but poor people are poor for a reason. Because they are shit at life and the people around them are shit.

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:05, Reply)

well personally it's because i am bedridden for several months a year but i guess in some ways
that counts as being shit at life? i work hard in a paying job and i work hard running a charity, the people around me are pretty good. but you're right, i'm messing up the country by wanting it to be fairer.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:08, Reply)

^ tyipcal povvo, always making excuses

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:09, Reply)

you're right of course i should do work from my sick bed shouldnt i,
work hard and get on with it innit
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:11, Reply)

What you need is some British backbone. We didn't have sick people in the war, we just got on with it.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:13, Reply)

:(

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:16, Reply)

Tee hee

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:18, Reply)

you rotter etc

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:21, Reply)

this guy gets it^

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:13, Reply)

Quality of life has demonstrably improved for all social classes in the UK
by every measurable stat since the end of the 70s to now.

To suggest otherwise isn't being "socialist". It's being "wrong"

Not suggesting that's Thatcher's doing. Or that she was a "goodie". But to suggest that people are "still suffering for what she did" is arsewater of the highest order.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:03, Reply)

It's the sort of codswallop trotted out by Scousers and heavy-browed serfs from the desolate North.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:08, Reply)

The difference between the rich and poor has increased, an awful lot.

(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:09, Reply)

It does tend to.
We're a capitalist country. That's what happens. Personally I'd much rather live in a Social Democracy like most of Scandanavia, but most of you cunts don't want that, so we have what we have, what with being a democratic country. But no-one (collectively) has got worse off, standards of life are all improved.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:12, Reply)

Check the second graph in this article.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16545898
(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:19, Reply)

yes, I know, I said I agreed with that.
What's your point?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:20, Reply)

That poverty is more than just absolute poverty
and the social implications of thatcherite policies are not benign because some quality of life indicators have gone up.
I also do thinkt that we are still feeling the effect of her prime ministership, but I wouldn't go as far as to say we're still suffering from it.
(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:23, Reply)

I would imagine it's improved since 1900 as well, this is called progress.
I'm not saying life has gotten worse over all. I'm saying she did things I fundamentally disagree with, changed the way we do politics irrevocably for the worse and I think we'd be in a better place as a nation now had she been strangled at birth.

of course I could be wrong, this is the joy of opinion. anyway I think you're missing my point. either that or yours is simplistic to the point of being stupid and I've never seen anything to suggest you are stupid.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:11, Reply)

he does play golf...

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:13, Reply)

shut it Gideon

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:15, Reply)

I think celebrating someone dying being good because you don't like her politics is fucking out of order.
If we're being simplistic.

Particularly when, y'know, she was voted in. 3 times. What with this being a democracy. She's not a despot. She did what the country asked her to, and you think she's evil? I don't like her policies, but if you're going to dilute the concept of evil to that, what the fuck do you think should happen to people who actually are evil or do evil things?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:16, Reply)

Not really done that, but I take it as a fair point.
As for being voted in, well I can (and sometimes do) support the democratic process without liking the people that get elected. I reckon at most I have to follow the laws they create, but I think not speaking against them is actually counter to the point of democracy.

I don't think I called her evil either, as I feel much the same about diluting the word as you.

I think perhaps you are arguing with someone who is not me.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:21, Reply)

Fair point, I'm in part arguing against a whole raft of people currently posting shit like
"wohoo dancing" on facebook etc.

Or "hooray" like you said on facebook.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:26, Reply)

Someone who stated that there is no society, only people and families, has died.
I'm not her family, I think her family are a bunch of cunts and therefore I have no sympathy for them.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:29, Reply)

So? doesn't make actively celebrating it the act of pleasant person.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:31, Reply)

So what?
Someone that a lot of people dislike for a lot of good reasons has died. I know it's not going to change anything at the moment, but the fact that they have died has cheered me up and I'm not going to apologise for that.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:33, Reply)

I didn't say you should apologise for it.
I said celebrating someone's death is distateful.

It's also rather hypocritical if you bang on about how Thatcher destroyed society and encouraged a position of "every man for themselves" and then actively celebrate the death of another human, thus proving yourself to be an example of the model of selfish humanity that you're arguing she made.

But hey.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:40, Reply)

Probably, though I'd need to check with Dozer
but in this instance I don't care. I would be equally happy if Michael Gove were to suffer a fatal stab wound to the neck, or if Jeremy Clarkson had a stroke.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:50, Reply)

see, I still personally wouldn't celebrate the death of anyone
but Clarkson or Gove I could almost understand because them dying now would stop anything they could do in the future, which might I suppose make the world a better place.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 15:02, Reply)

In part I am glad she's dead, yes.
it's immature and I know that strictly speaking In should not be happy about anyone's death, be they even as bad as Hitler, to pick, the most extreame example I can think of, but I am not that saintly.

I am also very aware that unless I go on totally news black-out I'll have to suffer nothing but sycophantic half truths and white wash and this makes me very angry, as does the fact my taxes will likely be used towards her fucking funeral.

Fuck it I'm entitled to a chorus of "Ding Dong the witch is dead" and you can judge me all you like, I'll go on record as saying a cunt is a cunt even after they are dead and you have permission to piss on my grave if you outlive me.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:31, Reply)

I think she actively supported south american dictatorships
that committed mass murder, and then assisted the perpetrators to avoid prosecution for war crimes.

I think that's pretty fucking evil.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:23, Reply)

that might be a more reasonable reason to call her evil, although there's still a bit of a leap to make there
yes.

But a) you and I know full fucking well that most people banging on about the witch being dead aren't doing it because of her connections to Pinochet and b) By that argument, every british PM in the last 50 years is evil for their unwavering support of the US, Israel, etc etc.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:30, Reply)

I think there is a clearly arguable difference between supporting the US and supporting Pinochet
and if you can't see that then I don't think you should continue talking about this.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:31, Reply)

Yeah, it seemed to be fair cricket in Vietnam innit
Iraq too, not forgetting Afganistan. Propping up various regimes around the World with patchy track records
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:34, Reply)

I think there's a clearly arguable difference between supporting a leader of a regieme that turned out to be commiting acts of torture
and being held resposible for that torture yourself, too.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:35, Reply)

And at no point did I claim she was personally responsible for torture
but if you think it's totally acceptable for the US government to carry out torture I think that's pretty evil, with no watering down of the word at all.

If you have the power to dictate that an entire country will condemn the actions of a leader who orders mass murder and torture and you not only don't condemn them, but instead support them fully and help to avoid being held to account, then I also think that's evil.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:39, Reply)

Who said the US torturing people was acceptable?

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:42, Reply)

Nobody, stop side stepping the issue
I said she could clearly be defined as evil due to her support of Pinochet, you think that's a leap. I don't.

My example is that if you think torture is acceptable then you're pretty evil, what she did was a whole lot worse than just thinking that torture is acceptable.

Which bit of that don't you get?
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:48, Reply)

You'd said that you didn't think the US and Pinochet were comparable.
And then said the US torturing people was evil. Hence my confusion.

Both the US and Pinochet's regieme have carried out acts with are, by both of our agreements, evil. Both were supported by UK governments. So, therefore, if we agree that supporting those that carry out acts of evil are evil themselves, then Thatcher is evil. As are Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron.

I still think you're diluting the value of "evil" here though. But hey, that's my opinion and right, just like it's yours to celebrate the death of a senile old woman.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 15:00, Reply)

I celebrated the fact that she went senile
today is just an opportunity to finish things off.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 15:03, Reply)

For some reason I've just had a fucking awful mental image
that you've been on the vinegars for about 8 years just waiting for today.

:(
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 15:08, Reply)

just FYI
I think I'd happily call every UK PM in the last 50 years a cunt. I'll just go and look over the list and let you know if I feel any are exempt.

Edit: Gordon brown is the only one I have any positive feelings for, and that's mostly pity.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 8 Apr 2013, 14:33, Reply)