I think we should allow a jury to decide if he did it or not, based on the evidence presented to them during a proper criminal trial.
Tighter immigration controls won't affect the murder rate.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 12:49, 2 replies, latest was 11 years ago)

Trial by jury? Controversial.
Our regular 5PM crowd have convicted, hung and sent him back, in that order.
(DBT became a fruitarian on, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 12:54, Reply)

hanged not hung

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:13, Reply)

*less

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:14, Reply)

Well hung.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:15, Reply)

You were meant to keep that gaz to yourself
Also it is meant to be green isn't it?
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:17, Reply)

people convicted of serious crimes in their home country should not be granted access to the UK
whether they are EU citizens or not. simple.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:06, Reply)

Why?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:10, Reply)

Because they have committed a serious crime and are consequently more likely to commit another
I'm not sure tangiers, but you're coming across a bit thick
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:12, Reply)

But you can be convicted of serious crime in this country and still move around the EU

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:13, Reply)

how is that relevant?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:14, Reply)

If you dont want other crims coming here then surely you object to our crims going overseas

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:16, Reply)

that's fine, but that's an issue for other countries
and makes no difference to the original point
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:18, Reply)

Apart from the bit where you mention EU citizens
as we are all EU citizens and part of that is the right to free movement across borders you cant have one without the other
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:20, Reply)

yes you can

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:26, Reply)

OK thanks for clarifying

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:29, Reply)

We want BRITISH CRIMES committed by BRITISH CRIMINALS

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:19, Reply)

If we could deport british criminals then we would, but we can't
however we could keep out foreign ones, thus reducing the overall number of criminals in the country.

Your post is classic left wing bollocks that avoids the point by screaming nationalism
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:27, Reply)

Perhaps we should be tougher on the causes of crime?
Y'know, tackle poverty and the increasing gap between the rich and poor?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:31, Reply)

poverty doesn't cause rape or all murders

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:35, Reply)

I suppose some of our most prolific sex offenders have been very wealthy people

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:37, Reply)

Why not? Sexual urges have no correlation to wealth
Priests, teachers etc who have been busted as nonces would be considered middle class.

Your not doing very well today tangles, perhaps gaz Al for some back up
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:40, Reply)

I think you misunderstood my post

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:43, Reply)

I read sarcasm that perhaps wasn't there, soz sweetcheeks

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:45, Reply)

no, i think most people would be quite happy with the latter bit
go and nick other people's stuff, off you go.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:24, Reply)

Surely a rehabilitated offender would be less likely to commit crimes.
Also, having served their time, why should they be punished further?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:16, Reply)

not sure if trolling or serious

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:23, Reply)

he's serious
And he's also 100% correct.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:26, Reply)

ah, so nobody ever goes on to commit another crime after being supposedly rehabilitated?
"got it".
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

Is rehabilitation not a part of our criminal justice system?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:32, Reply)

are you saying it's 100% effective?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:33, Reply)

Not at all.
In fact I think we should probably invest more money into it.
We could fund this with an increase in the top rate of tax.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:35, Reply)

Norway has some of the lowest rates of recidivism
and has a prison system that is seen as soft... i.e. only being able to give Anders LOL MASTER Brevik 25 years
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:37, Reply)

High taxes and all
But get out of here with your 'facts to back up ideas'
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:40, Reply)

I approve of Norways system
I just wanted to use the word recidivism coz it makes me look clevererererer
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:42, Reply)

^ Lives in Cumbria ^

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Wed 1 Oct 2014, 14:09, Reply)

They should have given him a medal

(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:41, Reply)

when you start paying the top rate of tax
you can have a srs view on how it should be spent, mm-kay?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:38, Reply)

I don't think you understand how a democracy is supposed to work.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:39, Reply)

No one is saying that.

(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:36, Reply)

not really unfortunately
i'd split sentences into halves, first half, awful punishment second half proper rehabilitation and slow reintroduction into civilian life with proper housing and job finding support
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:34, Reply)

really? I'm pretty sure that serial rapists retain the rape urge after they leave prison, that's why we have the sex offenders list and control orders
or are you saying once crims get out of prison they never ever commit another crime?
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:30, Reply)

i think he's saying we can totally trust the assessments of people who consider them to be rehabilitated
one of my friends does this job. she's just settled down with a man who met her when he was married, lied to her and his wife for 4 years, including such gems for why he couldn't leave the wife as "my dad's dying of cancer" (he wasn't), "my wife will hurt the child, she has mental health issues" (she doesn't), "the kid burned itself and we're in A&E" (it hadn't), "i'm moving to china with work" (he was in derby all along)... then came back to her when his wife booted him out. and she believes he'll never lie or cheat on her.

i really hope she's not representative of their gullibility.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:32, Reply)

keyword: Derby

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:35, Reply)

it's key word "barnes" now, the cunt's moved down here and she's moved down with him
if you and mrs ape had split up, would you voluntarily move 200 miles away from the mini apes, so you only saw them once a fortnight? i think the fact that he's done this is proof that he's not normal...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:39, Reply)

Holidays too, or just live?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:11, Reply)

we should send them to coventry
they'd be begging to go home
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:12, Reply)

Top holiday destination!
b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post2374102
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:17, Reply)

for 155,000 a year
SCORE
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:24, Reply)

either

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:13, Reply)

*either

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:18, Reply)

*fewer

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:19, Reply)

It wouldn't be possible without pretty much breaking up the EU.
Everyone crossing intra-European borders would need a visa. It would be a fucking nightmare for everyone except extreme right-wing mentalists who never want to go anywhere.
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:19, Reply)

LOL CLICKIN DIS

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:19, Reply)

you don't think the technology exists to create an international database for people convicted in any EU country of a sufficiently serious crime and to make just those people have visas?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:22, Reply)

Do you like waiting at airports?
Because this is how you increase time spent in airports.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:24, Reply)

This is definately the most important issue

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:25, Reply)

If you take the statistical likelihood of getting butchered by an immigrant with past convictions.
And compare it with the inconvenience of dicking about in an airport. I'm willing to take the risk.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:27, Reply)

bit selfish

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

Seriously though, it's a bit reactionary to put all this in place given the frequency of occurrence.
It's a shame for the family and all that; I don't think we need a knee-jerk imposition on our civil liberties to come of it though.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:33, Reply)

It's not your civlil liberties, it's those of criminals

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:38, Reply)

If I start needing a visa to go to France
Then, yes, it's my civil liberties.
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:40, Reply)

Why would you need a visa?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:44, Reply)

Been banned from mastercard?

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:45, Reply)

lol

( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:46, Reply)

civil liberties dont have any bearing on criminal past
they are for all hence civil, what you are saying is once you are tarred then that's it.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:45, Reply)

We have an issue with putting measures in place to try to prevent the previous terrorist attack, rather than the next one.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:38, Reply)

I think a lot of these measures might be drafted up before the attack happens.
A lot of the patriot act had been written before 11th September happened.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:45, Reply)

god yes
amazing shopping there, esp at gatters
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:27, Reply)

assnd you can drink at breakfast time!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

alright Battered

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:29, Reply)

go to luton airport on a comedown and report back.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

why, is there only a mini harrods there?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:29, Reply)

But no one has to show a visa.
'Not having a visa' would get you through a border. You could in theory have a list of criminal passport numbers which you could check, but I think the EU would never allow it. In the Schengen area (most of Europe), you don't even need a passport.
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

you said it wouldn't be possible without breaking up the EU
bit of a stretch, was the point.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:30, Reply)

OK, fair enough. It probably wouldn't be possible without US leaving the EU.
Which may happen anyway, if the British public are as stupid as I fear.
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:32, Reply)

welll, the stupidity of the british public was my original point....

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:34, Reply)

This.
The whole 'checking passports' thing probably wouldn't work in a lot of Europe anyway, considering the checks in a lot of places involve flashing a passport to an exasperated officer who is listlessly waving everybody on.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:31, Reply)

so? that's Europes problem
we brits can do it properly.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:32, Reply)

I find british passport controls unnecessarily creepy.
Those face scanners would scare the shit out of me if they could recognise me properly.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:34, Reply)

in my experience, they are slower than the original lines
because of the number of belmers who can't do it.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:35, Reply)

Not in mine.
Go to the machine, get knocked back because it can't cope with my beard and glasses, go to the empty 'machine doens't recognise me' desk.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:37, Reply)

Fuck knows how many billions some fucking IT consultancy was paid for all that shit.

(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:38, Reply)

I can't wait to fork out for a state of the art smartcard system that won't work and can be defeated by 'buying things and selling them for cash'.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:40, Reply)

I think you're right.
America doesn't let people with criminal convictions in and there's hardly any crime there at all.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:23, Reply)

They don't have any problems with illegal immigration either!

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:24, Reply)

And they have definately won wars on drugs and terror

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:46, Reply)